Carter defeated 70s gas lines!!!!!!

[lanparty]

OK, so if Reagan can take credit for ending the Soviet Union in 91, than Carter should be able to take credit for ending gas lines in 81.

You see, gas is a little bit like crack. It's effectively cheap labor by machines. The Arabs had the US TOTALLY hooked, until they instituted embargos and gas lines.

President Carter wisely saw that the nation was hooked on petro-crack. So he put our nation on programs to wean us off our petro dependency. He set our nation on the path of using resources efficiently, conserving, recycling and developing alternative sources of energy.

The arabs eventually figured out that cutting off your addicted customers is NOT a good business models. A smack addict isolated from smack will get REALLY bad headaches but will eventually get over it. And he will no longer need your product.

So Carter effectively ended the gas lines by showing the Arabs that they make their sole industry obsolete if they refused to produce sufficient quantities. Therefore, the gas flowed for Reagan and Bush and Clinton with only occasional spikes in crude oil prices.

Now, when Bush is trying to dismantle all our "conservation" and alternative fuel efforts, what happens to the price of gas???? It goes through the roof. Their is no longer any threat of developing alternatives under the neo-con administration. So why price your product low. There is nothing to compete with you!!!!!!

Sorry, but Carter didn't CREATE gas lines. He ENDED gas lines. Reagan just basked in the warm glow of liberal reforms that WORKED!!!!!

[TrueAmerican]

1. Was he responsible for the 55 MPH National speed limit?

That pist a lot of people off.

[TrueAmerican]

2. Guess I was wrong

1974:
January, 02 - Richard Nixon signs a bill lowering the maximum US speed limit to 55 MPH in order to conserve gasoline during an OPEC embargo.

1995:
November, 28 - US President Bill Clinton signs a highway bill that ends the federal 55 mph speed limit.

[Deja Q]

4. As I nondescriptly quietly insulted him in #3...

Except I said "big dog" :eyes: did nothing, except poke Monica (and 6 or 7 other acts which were things the repukes privately ejaculated over...)

"big dog" :eyes: did end the 55MPH speed limit. And it's silly to forget as going 5MPH uses 15% more gas to maintain than 55MPH...

So he didn't do nothing. He made the situation worse.

Thanks Bill.

[lanparty]

8. We really need ...

We really need higher CAFE standards (Corporate Average Fuel Economy). Instead, Bush is offering tax incentives to buy the largest most inefficent vehicles available!!!!

It never ceases to amaze me that the champions of the "free market" demonstrate ZERO understanding of it.

[lanparty]

5. He was responsible for countless ..

... for countless initiatives to conserve energy through efficiency and conservation. He also spearheaded MANY programs to derive energy from other sources.

And like you said, it the gas lines started with NIXON!!!! Why does the corporate media insist on associating Carter with GAS LINES!!! He didn't START the problem. He set in motion the SOLUTIONS!!!!!

[trof]

7. I added solar heat to my house

mainly because of the tax break we had.

[lanparty]

10. Lots of people added insulation ...

Lots of people added fiberglass insulation because of the tax breaks. Good for the environment, good for conservation, good for consumers ... AND good for the busines!!!!!

Imagine what we could do today if the government would finance the installation of MILLIONS of grid-intertie energy systems across the nation linked to solar, geothermal and wind energy sources. Of course, BIG ENERGY doesn't want that. They want to CONTROL all the energy. They won't invest in large solar deployment because it will drive down the costs of solar panel production and make power plants during daytime hours virtually useless!!!!!

The other big thing we could invest in is HEMPANOL and HEMP-board. Yep, that weedy relative of marijauna with miniscule amounts of THC can be grown ANYWHERE rapidly without any chemicals. It can eliminate MOST of our need for harvesting forests since the boards it produces are STRONGER than cut lumber. We can also dervive immense amounts of ethanol from it.


Oh no, that would be too big of a threat to BIG LUMBER, BIG OIL, and BIG CHEMICAL.

Go HEMP. And BTW, Marijauna prohibition is a waste of time as well!!!!

[Deja Q]

3. Let them. The last generation already killed us.

You're right that with no competition, prices will skyrocket - both by the countries which collect the stuff and jacked up again by the American distributors.

Who gives a fuck anymore anyway? $7+ TRILLION debt, increasing reliance on "plentiful" oil (the media said the P word, not me) despite the problems of the 1970s and the theory of peak oil (or knowing that even if peak oil won't occur, the end of oil by 2050 will be - this toxic goo isn't coming out of a bottomless well, D-U-fucking-H)... our corporations from 20 years ago have bankrupted us now. Don't give me the shit about how "our kids will grow up with a big problem". Those who ignored the situation of the 1970s (and those who didn't do a damn thing during the 1990s) to help make today what it have put yesterday's children to the sword.

Best case scenario: The oil is dry by the time today's 30-somethings are 65.

Worst-case scenario: The terrorists the US gladly helped during the 80s (and today thanks to *'s mindless wars, the first of which he let happen on purpose, that much has been proven, there are more terrorists out to kill us than ever), will realize that attacking Americans in America is not the solution: Destroying the oil fields and processing plants would be more than enough. I'm no spy, every corporate owned major media outlet has broadcast the fact on the television, saying right down to the names and locations in Saudi Arabia of their oil fields and plants. FUCKING STUPID. THEY are helping the terrorists by announcing this freely to the world, why the hell aren't they in jail with no freedoms?!

[lanparty]

6. Peak oil is a myth ... just like ...

... global warming!!! That's what they say.

But did you know that the Northwest Passage is melting right before our eyes??? It's now possible to navigate light vessels around the northern coast of Canada at certain times of year.

If that isn't proof of global warming, nothing will convince people until New Orleans is inundated with water.

[trof]

9. Dead center, HT.

Disrupt the flow of oil and you bring America (and a lot of the globe) to it's knees without ever firing a shot.

BTW, one estimate for Peak Oil, by a guy who I don't think is all tinfoil hat, is Thanksgiving 2005.

[lanparty]

11. Oil is effectively ..

Oil is effectively SOLAR power that was naturally collected and deposited millions of years ago. All our power comes from the sun ... PERIOD!!!!

We have to do a better job at collecting the solar power we are getting TODAY. It could even help stem global warming ... Think about it. We take the heat from the sun and offset the use of petro-chemicals that PRODUCE greenhouses gases AND waste heat!!!!

On the flip side. Wind power should become much more abundant now that the atmosphere is becoming hotter. Weather is more severe and there is more wind to capture and convert into energy wich defrays the use of petro-chemicals. In other words, the use of wind power should help COOL the earth over many, many years.

Wind and solar energy both help beat back global warming!!!!!

[lanparty]

12. You're right ...

Our society would effectively grind to a halt without oil. Everything we do depends on it.

I think they call that "putting all your eggs in one basket". We seriously need to diversify our energy economy!!!!