Seymour Hersh: "You haven't begun to see evil..."

[SalParadise]

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/000987.html

Sorry for the long link & even more sorry if this is a dupe.

The last graph:

"He said that after he broke Abu Ghraib people are coming out of the woodwork to tell him this stuff. He said he had seen all the Abu Ghraib pictures. He said, "You haven't begun to see evil..." then trailed off. He said, "horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run."

[mandyky]

1. I-M-P-E-A-C-H

NOW!!!

[Sliverofhope]

19. Further:

He talked about how hard it is to get the truth out in Republican Washington: "If you agree with the neocons you're a genius. If you disagree you're a traitor." Bush, he said, was closing ranks, purging anyone who wasn't 100% with him. Said Tenet has a child in bad health, has heart problems, and seemed to find him generally a decent guy under unimaginable pressure, and that people told him that Tenet feared a heart attack if he had to take one more grilling from Cheney. "When these guys memoirs come out, it will shock all of us."...

This is a thread that ought to be kicked like a football.

[mopaul]

2. .

.

[Bluebear]

117. .

[frank frankly]

3. wow. thank you for posting

that explains the DREAD that is falling on our sleepwalking country.

i hope we prevail.

[shanti]

43. dread is right, man

most americans are zombies. that's what they count on.

[Sliverofhope]

4. That's just creepy

Seymour Hersh looked frightened. That's always a good note to go to bed on.

[mopaul]

5. .

[Media_Lies_Daily]

7. The face in that picture belongs on the body of a Mafioso. Frightening.

[mopaul]

78. ...............

[Stephanie]

8. mopaul, remember that picture from a few years ago?

It's exactly the same expression and the same angle - but he's AGED so much in that time. You know the one? He's sneering and looking up and there are big white stars on the backdrop.

[Pastiche423]

29. This one?

[donhakman]

89. .

[Bluebear]

129. .

[Blue Gardener]

132. There has to be horns growing out of is head somewhere

He is just plain evil.

[Tactical Progressive]

135. That's the "I'm a *compassionate* Conservative" pic (nt)

[frank frankly]

15. there's the one for the history books

the mad, illegal rein of President George II, at its terrifying height.

right before the fall.

[Terran]

25. God, that may be the scariest pic of him yet.

Try covering up the right half of his face (our right, not his) and you'll see the unadulterated gleam of madness in his eye.

[rumguy]

57. That's the face of corporatized evil

[Zero Gravitas]

79. Right out of Central Casting

Need someone to play a fascist madman? here how bout this guy?

[Chomskyite]

93. Looks like Tony Soprano when he was telling Johnny Sack

. . . Sunday night that he'd PAID dearly. Meaning he'd just wacked his own cousin by shotgun blast.

[Endangered Specie]

126. .

SEIG HEIL!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

6. That is a VERY chilling article. I thought things had gotten pretty bad..

...but not THIS bad.

[shraby]

9. I've been waiting for more

Sy Hersh..figured it was coming. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Walt Starr]

10. It doesn't mean shit

if the pictures don't come out. Descriptive words don't play well on TV.

[Timefortruth]

Which is why it baffles me that Hersh won't release all the pictures.

What is he waiting for? Descriptions just won't cut it.

[Timefortruth]

94. Which is why it baffles me that Hersh won't release all the pictures.

What is he waiting for? Descriptions just won't cut it.

[Carolina]

100. Descriptive words don't play well on TV

unless they're in the Starr Report! We never had pictures of Bill and Monica either but those bastards gave us reams of words on TV and in print.

edited for typos :dunce:

[Carolina]

101. we didn't need pictures of molesting

priests so although descriptive words don't play well on TV, sometimes you can indeed get by without them.

[Cheswick2.0]

11. This is why they are keeping the rest of the pics a secret

There need to be more leaks.

[Just Me]

62. If photos or videos of children being tortured come out,...

,...even the Christian Coalition and RW talking heads will NOT be able to minimize such atrocities.

:cry:

I swear, we did everything in our power to try and prevent this whole hellish ordeal.

:cry:

The world has been severely injured by the most wicked American administration in our history (and we've had some pretty wicked people doing atrocious things).

[jayfish]

67. Whaaaat? Of Course They Will Minimize.

These are the children of terrists after all. If the life of one US soldat can claim to be saved at the pain of the terrist children and the anguish of their parents then it's all worth it. I think you forgot that 3000 AMERICANS died on 9/11 and these terrist children and their parents were largely responsible. W* and the Vulcans said so. And besides, even if it is wrong it was only one person who masterminded and carried out the is whole operation... that damn Liddy England(I dont give a damn about the spelling).</sarcasm>


Jay

[Just Me]

73. It is evil to torture innocent children, period!!!! n/t

[jayfish]

75. You'll Get No Argument from Me. -NT-

Jay

[playahata1]

107. Whoa! Check the sarcasm at the end.

n/t

[Must_B_Free]

152. My mother in law says its OK to kil them

because they are all suicide bombers.

She says none of them are innocent.

[bobbieinok]

154. remember the attitude to Native Americans 'The only good Indian

is a dead Indian'

plus all those descriptions of raping women and bayoneting children

'America' has done stuff like this before

just no internet, fast media, print stories censored.......truth comes out 100 years later (for white America)

and if you can stand it.....think of the conditions and all the deaths on the slave ships

[Kanary]

12. Call 800-839-5276, ask for congresscritter of your choice,

and agitate for a special prosecuter.

We are the ones who have to push....... otherwise, the country will sleep through this.

Kanary

[LittleApple81]

16. True. You cannot leave it to Hersh alone. He is a great man but

he cannot carry the weight of our guilt by himself. Our guilt because we have not done enough to get rid of these criminals.

[Kanary]

23. None of 'em can do it alone.

You are so right, LittleApple! We all know that everytime Kennedy, or Byrd applies pressure, they get tons of crappy, negative responses, and probably not a few death threats. We need to take time every day to express our appreciation in a phone call to those who ARE trying to take back our country, and let the rest of 'em know we watching, and will work against them if they continue to support this madness.

That number works well, and it makes a difference.

Kanary

[LittleApple81]

24. Thanks. It will be put to use. n/t

[DIKB]

17. sleep eh ?

I think the rethugs would sleep through a full-blown massacre in this very country. They will never see it because they don't want to.

The media would look the other way, and any hints that anything was going on would be attributed to conspiracy theorists or "the librul media"

[Kanary]

18. Fine, then sit there and complain, rather than DOING something.

:crazy:

[mopaul]

40. ......

[molly]

52. Biden is my senator

and I KNOW he will not let this go. Neither will Kennedy.

[neuvocat]

84. Neither will Senator Kerry

[Kanary]

124. Glad to hear it!

But, we STILL have to call and write....... to them, to let them know we appreciate their efforts, and to others, to support them.

As Amy Goodman says, we need to push for Special Prosecuter.

Kanary

[calimary]

111. I'll kick that one, too, Kanary!

DO IT, GUYS.

DO IT.

[harrison]

13. If, if, if we could get some fucking journalistic integrity in this

country, this house of cards would collapse. And I do believe the American people would be outraged. The average American just believes the shit he or she hears and reads from mainstream media.
Unless a person is instructed otherwise, that is what he or she believes.

[Kanary]

22. Take calimary's list of media contacts, and call, write, email

It's up to US to apply the pressure.

The reich wing has been doing it for years, and look how well they succeeded.

Now it's OUR turn.

Kanary

[calimary]

112. And if you don't already have it stashed, here it is again:

PLEASE NOTE MY SIG LINE – TO CALL YOUR REPS, TOLL FREE!!!

OR, TRY (877) – 762 – 8762. It’ll get you there, too! (Thank you, DUer redqueen!)


Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts – updated May 5, 2004– in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1533796#


IF THEY THINK WE DON’T CARE, THEY WON’T, EITHER!
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Added something else here, until I get the master list further updated and posted:

AAAAA – EDITOR AND PUBLISHER CONTACT INFO – 5/27/04

CONTACT INFO FOR “EDITOR AND PUBLISHER”

Editor & Publisher
770 Broadway
New York, NY 10003-9595
Editorial Phone: [phone]
Editorial Fax: [phone]


Sid Holt
Editor-in-Chief

Greg Mitchell
Editor
[e-mail]

Shawn Moynihan
Managing Editor
[e-mail]

Carl Sullivan
Online Editor
[e-mail]

Mark Fitzgerald
Editor at Large (based in Chicago)
[e-mail]
[phone]

Dave Astor
Senior Editor (Syndicates)
[e-mail]

Jim Rosenberg
Senior Editor (Technology)
[e-mail]

Joe Strupp
Associate Editor (Newsroom)
[e-mail]

Todd Shields
Washington Editor
[e-mail]
[phone]

Reiko Matsuo
Art/Design Director
[e-mail]

Daniela DiMaggio
Photo Editor
[e-mail]


A Testimonial from a fellow DUer here:

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING...make a phone call or send a paper letter. E-mails are quick and cheap and don't carry the weight of a phone call or a PAPER LETTER. Paul Begala says a hundred paper letters would change the direction of a news program. – DUer grasswire, 5/20/04

[Eloriel]

87. With journalistic integrity, this house of cards would never have

been built.

[gratuitous]

14. Congress, this is your cue

The Executive is out of control, the Judiciary is not interested in stopping anything. Snip the purse strings. Stop funding this. Stop it. Stop it now.

[Kanary]

20. I hope you will see post #12, call the number

and tell them exactly that!

Call it often, get as many people as you can to call.

It's up to US.

Kanary

[mhr]

27. All My Reps Are Republican - Calling Does No Good - They Hang Up On You

when your comments are critical.

FWIW - I live in Texas!

[Kanary]

30. There are MANY dems who would appreciate your calls!

Try Kennedy, Biden and Leahy, who pressed Ashcroft the other day........ they *deserve* your support.

It makes a difference.

It's up to US.

Kanary

[Just Me]

63. Treat them like a defendant and give them written notice.

That's what I do. I start out informing them that I am providing written notification concerning certain information. Then, I outline and reference the information. I close by telling them I am maintaining a record of the notice in the event they fail to take aggressive corrective and/or legal actions immediately.

:bounce:

[mopaul]

64. ......

[calimary]

116. Point out to them that as a taxpayer and voter, YOU ARE THEIR EMPLOYER.

Then you say: "As his/her employer, this is my directive:" And frankly, whoever would presume to want to hang up on you IS ALSO YOUR EMPLOYEE. Remind them of that, also.

Furthermore, that 800 number - 1 (800) 839 - 5276 - is TOLL FREE to Capitol Hill, AND there's no limit on how many times you can use it. SOoooooooo....... You can call as many of your reps, and as many of OTHER PEOPLE'S reps as you like.

You MIGHT ALSO try a little subversive technique I found to be MOST effective with some of these knuckle-draggers. Call up, and get your mind around the idea that you are a MODERATE REPUBLICAN. And as such, you are concerned about the misguided direction in which some of your favorite (DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO STIFLE THE GAGGING REFLEX) reps are going. Express your concern. I've found it helpful, in this guise, to say "... may I just voice my concern, even while I am a loyal supporter, that..." OR "... I'd just like to add my voice to the others who are becoming worried about..." USE YOUR SWEETEST, MOST NONCONFRONTATIONAL tone of voice. Make like you're a seriously wavering member of the faithful, and you're really concerned about all this, now. Try to put yourself into that mindset. I know it won't be easy, but just try. They'll be more receptive to you, and at least note your feelings, because if they detect that you're one of the faithful WHOM THEY'RE IN DANGER OF LOSING, they'll listen up, and listen up fast. I've gotten some rather satisfying responses when doing this. I tried it when calling Orrin Hatch's office one time, and he usually has some real blue-ribbon snotnoses working for him. They treated me politely and with respect, and they behaved as gentlemen. They certainly did not hang up on me.

ALSO: call Chuck Hagel's office. And Lincoln Chafee's office. And John McCain's office. And Richard Lugar's office. And Olympia Snowe's office. There are a few, a precious few, who are relatively reasonable.

THE POINT IS PLAIN: JUST GET THE MESSAGE OUT. PLANT THE SEEDS. Some of those seeds will fall on barren ground. BUT NOT ALL OF THEM WILL!

And by all means, call some Dems, too. They'll be more amenable in any event.

[Just Me]

119. I really like your style, Calimary. Being tactful = being effective.

:yourock:

[Eloriel]

88. Call them ANYway

They too have to understand where popular opinion is going -- and so what if they hang up on you? They got enough of the message to figure out that they didn't want to hear more.

[redqueen]

96. I've only ever been hung up on by a Lieberman staffer

I'm in TX and I call them anyway. They argue sometimes but I call to let them know anyway. Hutchison actually came down against the FCC in the ownership caps, as well, so there is hope.

[calimary]

114. IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. DO. IT. ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to scream atcha. I mean no harm, really!

But YOU need to know this, above all.

I don't care if they're republi-CONS. THEY STILL NEED TO KNOW. THEY STILL NEED TO HEAR THIS. THEY STILL NEED TO BE REMINDED THAT NOT EVERYBODY THEY CLAIM TO REPRESENT SHARES THEIR VIEWS.

Sometimes, republi-CONS are actually good for something. It was the Republicans who finally went to Nixon and told him the game was up.

Furthermore, this is not the last word. There is a LONG summer ahead, where Kerry will continue to gain ground and their beloved little bushie will continue to lose it. We still have the Plame Game ahead, plus the 9-11 Commission post mortems. PLUS Torture-gate, and the memos that keep finding their way out of secrecy (probably from more pissed-off CIA people) onto the internet and then into a more open public eye. There are more problems to come, more poll numbers that will be down. And as even THESE people start seeing the handwriting on the wall, they will be more amenable to hearing your message. Think rats. Think sinking ship. ALL OF CONGRESS is also up for reelection. It's not just bush. And even YOUR people serve at your pleasure.

[Kanary]

123. Dialing For Democracy, calimary!

I wanna thank you for pushing this..... you now have me obsessed. ~~gigglesnort~~

I've been encouraging all around me to WRITE, CALL, and it's starting to have an effect. Once people experience how easy it is to make those calls to the 800 number, they start to get hooked. :)

This is what we're going to HAVE TO DO, if we're going to get our country back. It's the very least we can do, and it doesn't hurt, doesn't cost money, and doesn't even take a whole host of time.

DIALING FOR DEMOCRACY!

Kanary

[LittleApple81]

21. I went looking to see if the U of Chi had a transcript. Apparently

they don't plan to have one.. and filming was not allowed. This is a description of his lecture:
http://www-news.uchicago.edu/releases/04/040603.hersh.shtml




I also found this RW piece of crap trying to discredit him: (I don't want to even quote anything from here because it is despicable...But it always amazes me what smears and lies they dare to portray as the truth.)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13394

[mopaul]

26. .

[Lorien]

28. Kick

:kick:

[bacchant]

31. People need to burn for this.

Release the pictures. Insane freepers aside, most Americans will want to rip the Bush administration to pieces if they ever actually see children being abused under US watch. Release the pictures and it's over for *.

[mopaul]

32. ......

[Nashyra]

33. kick

[Bluebear]

122. kick

[thebigidea]

34. if he has all the pics (how can he be sure?) he should release them ASAP

I betcha he has people at Harpercollins telling him to save everything for the book, but geez - this is too important for such things!

[mopaul]

35. .

[LibertyorDeath]

36. No words

[wtf]

37. wow

Maybe we can get this thread pinned at the top, or just keep it kicked for a few days? I think it's important that everyone have a chance to see this.

:kick:

[wtf]

38. oh

and they impeached Clinton for lying about a bj, some world, huh? heh.

[berry]

45. Very depressing. But this does need to be read by all.

So :kick:

[LibertyorDeath]

42. Their depravity knows no bounds

He said, "horrible things done to children of women prisoners, as the cameras run."

They are Evil personified.

They are just getting started IMO

[mopaul]

39. ,,,,,,,,

[mopaul]

41. .....

[LibertyorDeath]

44. kick

[Skittles]

46. I am longing for the days when a cigar was a scandal

:(

[Solly Mack]

47. And we knew this day would come...mores the pity.

:(

[thebigidea]

48. but remember, it isn't "torture" - its just abuse. ABUSE.

See, that doesn't sound so bad, now does it?

A message brought to you by MSNBCNNFOX.

http://www.terminalproduct.com/bushtorture.mp3

[oblivious]

49. Iraqi female lawyers are trying to document this

Amal Kadham Swadi, an Iraqi attorney representing women detainees, told The Guardian she believes that sexualized violence and abuse committed by U.S. soldiers against female prisoners goes far beyond a few isolated cases. It's "happening all across Iraq," she said.

Another Pentagon report indicates that three soldiers from military intelligence were alleged to have sexually assaulted a female detainee at Abu Ghraib last October. Army investigators did not confirm the assault. The three soldiers were reportedly fined several hundred dollars each...

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=478

edit: added link

[mopaul]

50. .

[Disturbed]

51. I will call on Monday.

I will call two Congress persons every day. I will get a statement together. Congress persons have sworn an oath to defend The Constitution of the USA. They must do so now.

War Crimes cannot be swept aside.

[Hekate]

55. A kick for the day crew

:kick:

Hekate

[Kanary]

91. Thank you!

[EdGy]

53. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Perle, Wolfowitz...

All of them, every single one of them will be right alongside Reagan burning in the deepest pits of hell.

[0007]

54. Check out the vidio -

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3267.htm

Why have US television stations refused to broadcast this documentary?

In Afghanistan, filmmaker Jamie Doran has uncovered evidence of a massacre: Taliban prisoners of war suffocated in containers, shot in the desert under the watch of American troops.

The film has been broadcast on national television in countries all over the world and has been screened by the European parliament. Human rights lawyers are calling for investigation into whether U.S. forces are guilty of war crimes. But no U.S. media outlet has broadcast the film.

[NewJeffCT]

59. sickening

I can't watch here at work, but just the description makes my stomach turn. The Commander in Chief of the US Armed Forces is the one responsible...

[mopaul]

60. ...

[0007]

98. Please take the time and read it at home.

[elf]

66. My outrage is overwhelming me

is it true that we have to wait, until international groups are taking action?

Our Green Card will be permanent in September. We wanted to apply for citizenship then.
After 5 years we could be Americans, but I'm not interested right now and wait, who will be elected in November.

If Bush and his Junta will still be there, we are leaving, as sad as it it, because we do like the Land and it's people, but can't stand the administration.:cry:

[MoonRiver]

86. You're lucky you can go

if the unspeakable occurs in November. :scared:

[LittleApple81]

103. I have a friend who saw this coming a lot longer before than I ..

even before Bush* was crowned. He never wanted to become a citizen and left Jan 2001. Mr. T would have said to me "Fool!!!"

[NMDemDist2]

157. I saw that video in Phoenix Arizona on FSTV channel 9415

on Dish Network

[rumguy]

56. I am so angry about this

This man right here, he has to go...

[NewJeffCT]

58. Do any pics contain more than Lynndie & her gang of 6 rogues?

That is what I would like to know. I find it hard to believe that we have thousands of pics and only those few frat-house rogues are in them?

[Cooley Hurd]

131. According to those who have seen all the photos...

...yes, there are many more NCO's pictured in existing photos. I think the Pentagon has refused to release the rest so they can continue to say that only a few NCO's were involved...

[Oilwellian]

61. Here's what I think

Someone is playing with the Bush crime family like a cat does with a mouse. When the initial pictures were exposed to the public, we saw a shell-shocked administration scrambling to explain "it was done at the hands of just a few low-level military personnel" and "we don't in any way condone torture." Then a handful more of the pictures were released that were slightly worse than the first set. This cabal expressed shock! Shock I tell you! Rumsfeld's testimony before Congress was very telling in that he was more pissed that someone released the pictures, not that the torture had actually taken place.

After getting him to testify under oath that he in no way approved of the torture, and watching Bush's feigned horror of what happened, we then saw the release of memos that directly linked the approval to the highest levels of this administration. The powers that be, I believe, has all of the evidence to hang this cabal.

Next we will see the more gruesome photos that exist, and possibly even some of the tapes that were made raping women and children in Abu Ghraib. I think Reagan's death has sidestepped this plan for a few days but mark my words, the proverbial shit is going to hit the fan within the next 2 or 3 weeks. The next set of pictures will be released to regain the nation's attention and then BLAM! They will release Bush's directive ordering torture to take place.

Buh Bye Bushie.

[Quahog]

69. That's my hope, Oaf

Supposedly, all of the shit that went down in Abu Ghraib and elsewhere in Iraq was photographed and videotaped, the electronic media stored and reproduced on computers and distributed on cd. Some of the soldiers with computers reportedly had torture photos as their Windows wallpaper. The files, not surprisingly, were widespread. All we need is one set of those cd's to be in the hands of someone who isn't sucking the BFEE teat, and the scenario you describe becomes likely.

Once there's a hole in the dam, then I believe that the instinct for self-preservation will kick in, and someone will start producing documentation linking the torture to the highest levels of the administration. If all of this actually goes down, it will be next to impossible for even Fox news to bury it.

I keep praying for the truth to come to light and set this nation free.

[Hornito]

80. I think you could be right. According to Mike Ruppert, it's the CIA

that is orchestrating a "coup", which will end with the indictment of Bush, Cheney (over the Plame case), and most of the rest of his Cabinet.

I have a dream.....

Were we back in "Roman Empire" times, we would see the trees along Pennsylvania Avenue being prepared for a major "necktie party".

What form will justice take with this bunch? Will president-elect Kerry step in and grant pardons, or will he demand full throttle investigation, prosecution, and punishment? These are questions I have been asking Kerry's office for months now, without response on their part. This nation cannot afford to let the neonazicon-fascists escape justice. They must be politically destroyed, a silver stake through the heart if you will, never again to be allowed to harm this nation. Anything less would indicate, in my opinion, collusion on the part of those seeking mercy for these cold-blooded murderers and war-criminals. How Kerry handles this, will be a true indication of his fortitude, and his commitment to our democracy.

[calimary]

120. If Mike Ruppert's correct, we will have much more to behold.

He's got a humdinger of a treatise on this at From the Wilderness. He paints it almost like a sting operation. The CIA is on this, he says. And they won't stop...

It's called "Coup d'Etat." Found the link:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/cgi-bin/MasterPFP.cgi?doc=http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060804_coup_detat.html

[jwcomer]

159. Be careful what you wish for...

I'm sure you are correct.

We are witnessing a blatant CIA led Coup d'Etat on our own soil. If you had to rank the CIA's skills, there is one which will come out on top and it is the ability to overthrow governments. They have it down to an art form. Today we cheer them on because we loathe Bush.

But consider.... show me one case where a CIA led coup turned out well. Please, just show me one.

I sit here and watch what is taking place, and it scares the daylights out of me.

[Joanne98]

81. I hope your right

Someone on DU was worried that the media was slowly releasing them to de-sensify the public while they spinned "torture is good" memes. I'm a little worried that might be right.

[TrustingDog]

148. Smells almost like a set-up...

Too much has been going badly for the clooven hooved in the WhoreHouse lately.... I'm beginning to think this Abu Ghraib travesty is part of a set-up/blackmail. it is most likely that the Contractors in Abu Ghraib are behind these atrocities and behind the recording/outting of the photos.

[Just Me]

65. God,...this just makes me so damn sad!!!

:cry:

[CWebster]

68. ain't it shame

No political leaders in the Us willing to address the moral issues of the hour.

[sam sarrha]

70. This could be the end of western civilization on planet Reagan.

in fifty years the Muslims will be a majority in many European countries.. they better get rid of all their nukes.. Muslims DO NOT FORGET. I was in an Islamic republic in the Peace Corps 1973... The Utopians want to destroy it all so the utopia will rise out of the flames.. lead by bush dressed as a Greek god

[lostnfound]

150. Western civilization? It would have been a good idea.

To change Gandhi's answer a bit.

[warrior1]

71. this makes me sick

.

[The Stranger]

72. Fry every single one of the torturers -- top to bottom.

No matter how long it takes.

[myrna minx]

74. This is so horrible that words cannot describe the sadness and

rage that I feel. :cry: :grr:

[Lindsey]

77. Children being tortured?

WE MUST CALL OUR CONGRESSMEN OUR SENATORS...and if you live in a Repub state, call Joe Biden, Ted Kennedy.

[redqueen]

115. Call the repubs too

Call everyone.

This cannot be met with silence, by anyone.

[Kanary]

136. Once Again.... the number is 800-839-5276

You can be sure the freepers are calling and supporting the tortures....... it's up to us to call in such numbers to register complaint about this that we make it certain the bulk of the population will not stand for this.

Kanary

[mopaul]

76. ............

[frank frankly]

82. kick

n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

83. Now I'm worried about Sy Hersh.

:cry: I hope he has people protecting him and I pray he stays off of small airplanes. :(

Since Sy has seen other torture pics...of CHILDREN???? :grr::nuke: we can have hope that we will be seeing them AFTER the Reagan lovefest is over.

These people are even MORE evil than I had ever imagined. Our country will never be the same. The Geneva Convention has been destroyed. Our U.S. prisoners of war will now be tortured around the globe because of the Bush cabal. Our honor is gone. Any respect our nation had, is gone. This evil regime MUST pay for what they have done! We HAVE to show the world that this is NOT what our country is about. We HAVE to show the world .....Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rummy etc....in ORANGE JUMPSUITS AND HANDCUFFS walking into a maximum security prison! The world has to see that their evil ways will be punished by serving the rest of their lives in PRISON! And Kerry CANNOT pardon those evil bastards!

[Spazito]

85. This needs to stay at the top

*

[donhakman]

97. sssssssss

[ElementaryPenguin]

130. Yes indeedy!

:kick:
:puke:
:argh:
:mad:

[burythehatchet]

90. Did anyone catch Randi Rhodes' comment yesterday?

she said something that made a lot of sense to me. She said that the reason for this abuse is the private contractors. We have paid them soooo much money that they felt pressured to provide what their masters were looking for. Since what they were looking for did not exist, the torture became worse and worse.

That and the fact that they are pure evil scum.

[Just Me]

92. The "private" militia corps cronies are tied to the administration.

They are all war criminals in my eyes.

[Eloriel]

127. How does Randi account for the Memos leading straight to

the top? Or the fact that the news today included that MI troop(s) ordered the use of the dogs to intimidate?

[burythehatchet]

134. Those to the top ARE in fact the people who own these companies.

that's why they authorized it

[lostnfound]

151. OMG. That makes it utterly believable. Private contractors..

Whatever last tiny smattering of hope I had, that it wasn't true, has just been decimated.

Some of the private contractors were being hired out of death squads, known killers and brutes. I remember stories on FSRN about human rights criminals, wanted in other countries, being hired for this.

Not to say that you couldn't have the situation without it -- after all, US facilities like SOA/WHISC trained them -- but it makes it not just possible but expected.

I feel sick and furious. I will be calling my congressman tomorrow.

[in_cog_ni_to]

95. Back to the top.

:kick:

[darkstar]

99. A couple of questions

for those of you who know the ins and outs of this sickening story better than I do.

1) Does any documentation or testimony tie the torture to the WMD hunt?

2) Has any suitable explanation surface as to why this sickness was taped and placed on hard drives in the first place. Some, including Hersch, have stated/speculated that it was going to be used to blackmail vitims' honor upon their release, i.e. be shown to neighbors etc. But on the face of it, that doesn't make sense b/c it would also inflame and serve as proof (vs mere accounts from "disgruntled" former prisoners).

[kimchi]

102. kick

sick, sick motherf*ers

Call your congresspeople

[Anarcho-Socialist]

104. This is 100,000,000 times worse than Watergate....

...or Iran-Contra. Everyone must know about what this imperialistic, militaristic, raping, greedy, degradating, sickening excuse of a government is capable of doing and letting happen.

[seemslikeadream]

105. Yea these guys could laugh about Iran-Contra

There'll be no laughing after this mess. America will suffer for years and we must see that bush is held accountable for what he has done.

[Karenina]

106. Kick!

:kick:

[Q]

109. This is a CONTINUATION of Iran/Contra...

...in that it involves many of the same Players. Americans tend to forget that most of Bush's* administration is made up of former Reagan/Bush officials. They were only waiting for another dunce in chief to start up where they left off.

[peacetalksforall]

138. Absolutely, absolutely...this is a continuation of Iran Contra

Same countries involved (with the addition of Afghanistan)
Same players involved.
Same motivations involved.
Same tools - weapons and drugs.
Same benefits involved and them some - bulging profits for a few, theft of rights of the citizens of this country, depopulation.

And, they benefit in progressing towards privatization more speedily.

[number6]

108. You haven't begun to see evil

[whosinpower]

110. Let's think this through

If those pics are released, how will that affect the troops currently in Iraq. Afghanistan, and all across the world? Think for a moment. I know we all want Bush to get what he deserves. And we all want the rest of the cabal to face the consequences....but think for one moment of the outrage from the entire muslim religion.

Here is what I would suggest....offer Bushco an exit strategy. He has 48 hours to voice his and his entire administration resignation. Cheny, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice, Wolfowitz, Feith, Pearle, all must write their resignations, effective immediately....or else the pics get published...and the US suffers the consquences. AND THERE WILL BE DIRE CONSEQUENCES THAT ALL THE NUCLEAR, BIOLOGICAL AND CHEMICAL WEAPONS CANNOT DETER.

This still gives the republican party a little time to cobble together a new candidate for the November elections at which in the interim, government would be run by the Congress and Senate. They would appoint an interim White House resident with very very limited powers....basically keeping the seat warm until November.

Should he refuse, then publish all of the pics. It would be far far better for the US that he resign....torturing children will inflame the entire world. I say this in all seriousness -it would mean the end of the USA as we know it.

Some might suggest that this smacks of extortion....I would rather say that this is precisely what the US has done to Iraqi people...they imprison family members in the hopes that wanted people come forward and turn themselves in.........I would rather call this Karma in action.

[Hoping4Change]

128. I agree there has a be preparation for the outrage.

I was thinking that an International Day of Protest/Solidarity with the Victims of the Bush Administration so it isn't just Muslims expressing their outrage but I think your idea more fully addressing the gravity of the situation that will prevail if photos are released.

[ElementaryPenguin]

113. Okay, that's it! FUCK IT! We ARE at war - with BushCo! Fuck election

They must be removed by impeachment IMMEDIATELY! Flood your congress reps - flood the media - THE FOURTH REICH ENDS NOW!!!!!!

:puke:
:argh:
:mad:

[Emboldened Chimp]

118. ...

[calimary]

121. THAT CONTACT INFO AGAIN:

Subject line in caps so it'll be easy to find...

PLEASE NOTE MY SIG LINE – TO CALL YOUR REPS, TOLL FREE!!!

OR, TRY (877) – 762 – 8762. It’ll get you there, too! (Thank you, DUer redqueen!)


Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts – updated May 5, 2004– in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1533796#


IF THEY THINK WE DON’T CARE, THEY WON’T, EITHER!

[ElementaryPenguin]

125. keepin' this one KICKED!!

:kick:

[joanne]

133. Bump

:cry:

[donhakman]

137. Its how you play the game

[joanne]

139. Everyone needs to see this

[Kanary]

140. donkey watching......

:kick:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

141. keeping this post kicking...

:kick:

[bobthedrummer]

142. I am ashamed and angry that the corruption of our government

has led to this, it is sick and truly evil-btw people disappeared domestically too over the years, going back to Nixon's Huston Plan.

[Nlighten1]

143. Torturing children in front of their mothers?

Would Jesus approve of this?

[Spazito]

144. Kick to keep this ABOVE Limbaugh threads...

it might be just me but, somehow, this seems to be more relevant, silly me.

[bushwakker]

145. Just a few bad apples - move along please*

[Hotler]

146. Needs to be removed from office by

the end of business today. When i saw the honor guard at ray-guns funeral, I dreamed it was a group of MPs marching into the WH after shrub and company. "Mister president, do you understand your rights as they have been read to you?"

[Flubadubya]

147. kick

:kick:

[Anarcho-Socialist]

149. Kick!

:kick:

[Cheswick2.0]

153. kick

!

[bobbieinok]

155. ......

:kick:

[Disturbed]

156. Blackmail?

Telling BushCo to resign or the next batch of photos will be released is blackmail isn't it? I don't think it would work either. These people will not give up power. Aside from voting them out of office, which many now feel can't be done due to the voting machines, the only way to get rid of them is to renew the Special Prosecutor to go after them. What is needed is documentation signed by the Pres. approving of torture. I suspect that exists. It may even be leaked out.It is getting obvious that someone or a group is leaking documents.

This Admin. is rotten to the core and I believe that the Plutocracy is starting to see that BushCo is a huge negative to Corporate, Mulit-Corp Amerika. It isn't really the scandals that bother the Plutocracy unless they can be proven beyond doubt, it's the bungling in Iraq and Afghanistan that are the issue.The CIA works for Capitalists, not a specific Govt. in power. This may indeed be the group that is working to make damn sure that BushCo goes down and down hard.

[NMDemDist2]

158. kick

[demgrrrll]

160. Right. No one wants to buy the tee shirts of a despised country.

I realize that is crass but part of the marketing of many
products is based on people from other countries thinking that
America is "the best" a place where anyone can become a millionaire land of the free home of the brave. If we are seen as a despicable bunch of losers then who will prize our goods? Not my thoughts but they may be the thoughts of corporate America.

[Bluebear]

161. .

[Disturbed]

162. "There is a cancer on the Presidency."

Remember who said that?

Maybe the Detainee Torture is this cancer.Maybe it cannot be stemmed with any remedy, except removal.