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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:32 AM
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What about Dean and rural areas?
An Op-Ed piece in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution:
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/0803/14towery.html

Dean's rural strategy creates a major player

By MATT TOWERY

My company's latest tracking poll shows that former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, who barely registered in past polls, has catapulted ahead of Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman and now leads the pack of candidates seeking the Democratic presidential nomination. What explains the dramatic leap?

Dean, who recently made the cover of three national newsweeklies, appears to be the one challenger to George W. Bush who is putting a new spin on the time-tested strategy of populism. One might even call Dean's style, with its heavy emphasis on the Internet, "electro-pop."

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He has tied positions on virtually every issue -- from the economy to the environment -- to the development and growth of rural areas, where he contends that President Bush's policies had little positive impact.

For many people in less densely populated areas, the Web has become a primary tool, from shopping to entertainment. So it may be that Dean's "small-town" thinking was the genesis of his campaign's celebrated strategy to have Web-using supporters forward campaign literature to others.

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Our polling shows Bush continuing to enjoy a significant lead against all potential Democratic foes. But Dean's campaign should give pause to both the president and his Democratic challengers.

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A comment posted to the Official Blog Comments:

Thanks for finding the Towery article. I think our readers will be most interested to know, after reading his piece, that he is, at heart, a troll, a former GOP candidate for Lt. Governor and a regular contributor to the GOP's Townhall site.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/matttowery/welcome.shtml

When people like Towery start seeing it, it's there.

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In other news -- good article on misc. Dean comments incl. agriculture, GMO, media conglomeration in New Hampshire Union Leader.
http://www.theunionleader.com/prez_show.html?article=24941


Eloriel
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:35 AM
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1. Freepers support Dean?
In an editorial which says nothing about Dean's agricultural policies?

And this is good?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:53 AM
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3. Yes, sangha, it's VERY good
Very good indeed.

Did you even read the op-ed piece? Getting an op-ed piece THIS objective, from a Repug, is amazing news, frankly. Towry is pretty darned partisan. I almost think he likes Dean himself.

I also rather liked his polling results. Go, Dean!

The scant coverage of rural in the op-ed is why I posted the NH article. Did you bother to read that? It didn't have a LOT, but what it had was pretty good IMO.

YMMV. :evilgrin:

Eloriel

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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:01 AM
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4. Freepers don't care about farmers
If they praise someone, it's because they serve the Freeper's interests. If they're supporting Dean, it's because they believe Dean supports their interests.

And you think that's a Good Thing.
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CWebster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:20 AM
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7. Here is the irony
You are always ready with the freeper charge while you align yourself against the more progressive factions of the party in concert with the most established wing of the party that is decidely most freeperish.

;-)
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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:37 AM
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9. Shanga, the fact is that even freepers...

want healthcare for themselves and their kids... want good schools for their kids... are also losing their jobs in the Bush economy.


Sure some of the hardcore true followers will buy the crap about this being Clinton's fault... however a larger and larger chunk of the middle right is starting to figure out that Bush only cares about himself and his big money backers.

Even a freeper can see something is wrong when they lose their job and their kid comes home from Iraq in a box while Bush says "bring it on," then goes on vacation.

Remember we do not need to turn all of them... only about 5 or 10 percent of them and that will turn the tide in half the red states.


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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:55 AM
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15. "Freepers are good"?????
So that's the Deanies argument?

How shameless
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:27 PM
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24. Once again, you seem to be using the term Freeper
to refer to ALL Republicans and conservatives. I DO NOT.

And you betcha, any Republicans who vote our way in 2004 are GOOD Republicans. And believe me, there are bunches of them out there who are pretty dissatisfied with Bush and what he's done. And more all the time.

I would have thought most people who post here at DU would be delighted that one of our candidates is pulling Republicans, Independents, etc. I guess not.

Eloriel
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:35 PM
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25. They are Freepers
who are supported by FreeRepublic, Heritage, Scaife, CPAC, Ollie North, and just about every Freeper org on the planet

Ollie North is NOT A GOOD REPUKE.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:36 AM
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8. There is actually a Republicans for Dean Blog...
and yes I agree with you, that's a good thing. Because we're all supposed to vote Democratic anyway, so let's go out and get those waffling Repubs, and fence sitters.:thumbsup:
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:45 AM
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10. Yep, Republicans for Dean -- and others as well
Republicans for Dean
http://republicansfordean.blogspot.com/

Independents for Dean
http://deanindependents.org/

BRAND New Democrats for Dean
http://brandnewdemocrats.blogspot.com

African Americans for Dean (new)
http://www.africanamericansfordean.com/AA/

40th Anniversary of March on Washington, Aug. 28
http://blog.deanforamerica.com/archives/000991.html

Americans with Disabilities for Dean
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=community_americanswithdisabilities

Crosses all sorts of lines, doesn't he?

Sangha -- you're using the term freeper very differently than I do. I don't consider Matt Towry a freeper. He's a Repug, and a partisan one, but not a freeper, at least not that I know of. To me, freepers are the fascists and esp. the hock-troops in that party. So, and I should have said this earlier, from the get-go I reject your very premise.

Eloriel
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:56 AM
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16. You are ignorant about TownHall
It's a Heritage funded site. Freeper heaven.

Stop defending Freepers
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:01 PM
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17. More about TownHall and Freepers
http://www.townhall.com/citizens/

They are supported by "lovely non-Freepers" like Ann Coulter:

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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:03 PM
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18. No, not Freepers (more)
Conservative Political Action Conference
CPAC is designed to advance important everyday issues such as taxes, crime, culture and foreign policy and to provide basic conservative viewpoints and solutions. America itself was founded on the principles of conservatism and has yearned to return to that basic philosophy.

(You know about CPAC, don't you ELoriel?)

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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:06 PM
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20. FreeRepublic is a TownHall sponsor
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:04 PM
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19. They want to run against Dean because they feel
he does not have a prayer.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 10:35 AM
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2. He's also making headway in Virginia of all places!
Well he says he's from a rural state and seems to have some policies to help the small farmers in Iowa so I'm not surprised. I think we just have to grab the toe of this tiger and hold on!

President Dean - has a nice ring to it!
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Cthulu_2004 Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:01 PM
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22. Now...
if he can just keep from bowing to the Gun-Control fringe, he'll have a chance. If he does sell out to them, he's toast.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:07 AM
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5. Isn't this a thread for Politics and Campaigns?
This seems to be the thrust of the subject matter.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:49 AM
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12. Terwilliger

My original post was issues, poll results, rural policy, and so forth.

What, pray tell, is the "rule" on that? I see threads all the time -- in fact, IMO, probably ANY candidate thread ought to go in P&C. What's the dividing line?

Eloriel
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:09 AM
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6. Dean musta read Paul Wellstones book
he's campaigning like Paul did. Going out and meeting people etc.

http://wellstone.org/

Didn't mean to take this thread off topic. But, I can't help but think the spirit of Wellstone will somehow help defeat Bush in 04!
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:47 AM
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11. I don't think that's off-topic at all
Or maybe it's just that I appreciate the observation. ;-)

Eloriel
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:50 AM
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14. he he, Thanks!
*
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 12:28 PM
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21. Wellstone was a liberal
Dean is not
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 11:50 AM
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13. I think he will gain support in rural areas.
Rural people tend to vote for the man not the party. So if Dean can sell his gun message in particular, he could gain support from the Independents who might influence the more moderate Republicans.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:20 PM
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23. Waving from the most remote town in the lower 48
And around here, I am hearing Dean mentioned positively from time to time.

What I hear mentioned about the shrubster indicates that in this county (voted over 82% for Bush in 2000) his smoke and mirror routine is wearing pretty thin.

The mess Rasciot left us with when he worked so hard for deregulating energy companies then going to work for ENRON has sown the seeds of dissent. Lots of hard working folks lost jobs/pensions/investments and they are not happy. Now Rasciot heads up Bush 04.

And these folks are getting letters from sons, daughters, nieces and nephews in Iraq. The letters aren't filled with good news about how things are going and the conditions. When a customer asked if we could get coffee in measured fliters she could send to her nephew so his squad could have more than one cup every couple days, other customers were outraged. When I told them how little water was being provided and that some brass complained that providing bottled water was 'coddling the troops' and was a cost that must be cut, there were rumblings that after cleaning house at the pentagon we "need to clean out the White House too!"

People here in Tiny Town are putting two and two together.
If Dean doesn't cave to the gun control crowd, we have a winner that can carry this seriously republican burg.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 01:45 PM
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26. Well, he's in, then, 'cause I can't see him caving on that
I think he'll do very well in rural areas, and that includes the South. We'll see.

How he was received in Oklahoma just knocked my socks off. Wow.

Eloriel
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:01 PM
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27. Towery used to work for Newt Gingrich.
Here's the turd's bio:

http://www.creators.com/opinion_Shell.cfm?pg=biography.html&columnsname=mto

Sorry to say this, but the Reich wing really wants to face Dean in 2004. Here's more from the Towery turd explaining why:

(no title, leaving it up to the local op-ed editor. My guess would be Dems Will Lose by Following My Advice)

I see little chance for a Democrat to defeat George W. Bush next year. Certainly not if one of the candidates doesn't soon break out of the pack of no-names and at least win the dubious honor of being the Democrats' 2004 nominee.

It stands to reason that one of the moderate Southern candidates, such as North Carolina's John Edwards or Florida's Bob Graham, could burst into the spotlight by abruptly announcing that they're going to skip the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary. Both those states are known for their quirky choices, and their election results are soon forgotten.
Why not take a page out of the GOP handbook of the early 1970s and create a "Southern" or "Sunbelt" strategy? After all, most political pundits are already looking to South Carolina as a first real test for Democrats who hope to carry moderate states. It might prove a stroke of genius for Graham or Edwards to bypass the waste of time, money and effort the Iowa-New Hampshire dance usually requires. They could instead concentrate on carrying South Carolina, Florida and Arizona, all of which vote early in the primary season.

With a recent union endorsement for Dick Gephardt, it's looking more and more like the gentle and amiable former House leader may repeat his Iowa caucus victory of over a decade ago. And the new celebrity Howard Dean now seems likely to battle it out with fellow New Englanders John Kerry and Joe Lieberman for the New Hampshire prize.

CONTINUED...

http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=mto


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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-14-03 02:02 PM
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28. Newt's not a Freeper
He's a Good Republican!!
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