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neoteric lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:22 PM
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If the draft comes back, what will you do?(for draft-age DUers or parents)
If somehow Bush remains in the White House for another term and the draft is reinstated due to a war with Iran, N. Korea, Mexico, Frnace... whoever, what will you do if you (or your child/grandchild) gets his/her number pulled?

I am in the meaty part of the draft-age range, so I have really been thinking about this. It is not that I do not want to serve my country, I just DO NOT TRUST this man as my commander-in-chief. I don't care if we are fighting the Nazis who have raised from the dead, I will not put my life on the line for this man and his agenda.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:29 PM
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1. if my daughter or her SO request it...
...I will personally get them out of the country, with a big fat one-fingered salute to the U.S. military at the border. Military conscription is the last resort of despots who deserve contempt rather than loyalty.
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Bjornsdotter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:29 PM
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2. We'll Move.....
Hi,

I'll take my kids and move to Sweden.

Cheers,
Kim
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:29 PM
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3. remember, the military still doesn't want gays to serve....
...I think I'll start marketing "instant Gay kits." Go from Zero to cocksucker in under 60 seconds. Guaranteed.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:30 PM
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4. i may even issue a how-to video...
...and hold classes.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:41 AM
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18. Though it would work in theory...
I would be willing to bet that Congress would pass a law suspending Article 125 during the length of the draft. This would probably save them the headaches from hundreds of lawsuits and local draft boards would be able to grant CO status (i.e., non-combat)to those homosexuals who object or in their opinion would not be a "ideal soldier." I know it's hypocritical, but look who were dealing with?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 11:17 AM
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24. hmm, let's see.... gay noncombatants... stationed at Ft. Dicks?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:36 PM
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5. I'm a couple of years too old, but if the age is extended...
I'll face the draft board and tell them the truth: I am not a pacifist, I oppose THIS WAR and THIS ADMINISTRATION'S FOREIGN POLICY, and that their record of dishonesty makes it impossible for me to place my life in their hands.

If they say no, I will face the consequences. I think to leave the country would be cowardly, so I would dare the government to come and get me.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:39 PM
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6. I'm not sure
Most of me says leave the country but another part says that my child should serve. In the end, I think they'll make their own choice.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:41 PM
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7. I'll do whatever I can to make sure my 19-year-old daughter doesn't...
...have to serve during this illegal and unnecessary war. Period.

I fear for her boyfriend...he's a Marine currently stationed at Camp Pendleton. His twin brother is already in the Middle East.
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Arioch Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:46 PM
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9. I'm probably too old..
unless things got real bad...

But I think that would be the turning point for me and my wife to move back to Japan.

...that is if we don't already look more seriously at that option come November...just in case...
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:26 AM
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12. Hi Arioch!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:43 PM
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8. I asked my kids.
My oldest daughter is gay. She will tell them so, loudly and proudly.

She is 24...will be 25 in September.

My son is 22. He is a computer specialist, and also does communication types of things. He runs his college radio station, and works as an assistant IP director for a radio group one day a week. He does not believe me that the draft is coming. I know they will want him, with his skills.

He is going to have to decide what to do.

My youngest is 20. She hates this war, as do her older siblings. But she said to me, "If I am drafted, I will fucking go. Dad did."

We can't think for our kids. They are all good left-leaning Democrats, but they will have to make their own decisions regarding the draft.

I will provide whatever help and support they need, whatever their decisions.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:50 PM
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11. How to Stay out of the Military by Col. David Wiggins
MODS -- OK TO POST ALL, PUBLIC SERVICE BY THE GOOD COLONEL

http://www.duckdaotsu.org/resist.html

Please read this. It could be one of the most important essays you have ever read:
If you have a brother of age, a son, a husband, a daughter, a wife, a family member, person you love; If you give a damn about the military machine taking our children -- or if you DID or did NOT live through the Viet Nam War. Read it if your husband is a vet, your dad is a vet, your mom is a vet, you spouse is a vet, your family member, dear friend, loved one, child ... Do not think it can't happen here. It will it did and they are already making the plans for you.


how to stay out of the military
primer on draft resistance
by David Wiggins


please note: all articles, information, agencies, paperwork, and other resources mentioned here are located at the bottom of this page.
The legal requirement to register for the draft demands a decision: give up your freedom and your conscience, or conscientiously resist. All the good reasons that would prevent a free man from volunteering for military service, also apply to resisting the draft. How in a "free country" can the first requirement of a young man, when he comes of age, be to sign up to accept orders to kill for the state in an organized way? There is never a need to compel a free man to take up a cause that is both necessary and just; but a man who is drafted is never free, and thus his cause can never be assumed to be either necessary or just.
The draft is not simply an academic interest. There is not enough military manpower to sustain the commitments the President has already undertaken. We constantly hear that our troops are "stretched too thin." To assist the United States, both the President and Secretary of State have made serious requests for significant military manpower contributions from other nations. These requests have largely fallen on deaf ears. The President has repeatedly stated he will not "back down" meaning, we must assume, that the military forces will continue to be "thinly stretched." Where will they find relief? It appears they are looking at young Americans who are free to volunteer for military duty, but in good conscience, choose not to do so.

With certain exceptions, all men residing in the United States are required to register for the draft within 30 days of their 18th birthday. The obligation of a man to register is imposed by the Military Selective Service Act, which establishes and governs the operations of the Selective Service System.

In addition to the Military Selective Service Act, the "Health Care Personnel Delivery System" was authorized by Congress in 1987 to deal with large-scale casualties that outstripped the active-duty military's ability to handle them. If implemented, the bill would require a mass registration of male and female health care workers between the ages of 20 and 45. At this time; however, the Selective Service has no statutory authority to draft medical personnel. That authorization would be provided by legislation to be introduced and passed in Congress at the time of a national defense mobilization. That "M-Day" legislative package has not been made available for public comment or congressional debate. See the Center on Conscience and War’s "Health Care Professionals and the Draft" for details regarding the Health Care Personnel Delivery System.

The Pentagon is considering other "special skills" drafts, to include military linguists, computer experts, or engineers, which could arise from other immediate needs. "We're going to elevate that kind of draft to be a priority," said Lewis Brodsky, acting director of the Selective Service System.

A bill before the House Armed Services Committee would require the induction of young men into the military "to receive basic military training and education for a period of up to one year." Representatives Nick Smith and Curt Weldon sponsored the bill, called the "Universal Military Training and Service Act," introduced last fall. The measure is currently before the Armed Services Committee. Youth & Militarism Magazine, published by the American Friends Service Committee, contains an excellent article, "It’s Not Your Father’s Draft," describing this proposed draft.

Deciding What To Do

Deciding what to do when faced with Registration or the Draft can be a difficult and life-altering decision. If you choose to resist, it is helpful to keep two things in mind:

First, if you stand by your convictions, you cannot lose, and the government cannot win. The government may handcuff you or lock you up, but they cannot make you fight. If you give up any freedom, it is completely on your terms. In contrast, if you allow yourself to be coerced into military duties you risk death, disease, and disability, all for a cause you do not believe in.

Second, if you choose to resist, you will be treated as an adversary by the government. The government is no longer your friend ? if it ever was. You can expect the Selective Service to use every legal method and argument at their disposal to get you to abandon your convictions and to follow orders.

Keep records carefully, and make your own file of every transaction with the Selective Service, including phone calls. Do not rely on oral promises from Selective Service officials. Put things in writing, and attach receipts and even envelopes to the correspondence in your file. A second set of those records should be in the custody of someone you can rely on to forward copies as needed. When you make a record of a transaction with Selective Service, you should send a copy to Selective Service for inclusion in your file with the Area Office. When local boards become operational, you can see and copy information in your file. You can authorize others to do so on your behalf. Send your letters and claims to Selective Service by Certified Mail, Return Receipt Requested. Observe all deadlines scrupulously. Be sure to include your Selective Service number. Sign and date all papers submitted.

Get help. Check out how the counselor you are consulting was trained. Most attorneys know nothing about Selective Service law; ask their qualifications. Draft counselors will tend to know about qualified attorneys. There are two qualified national counseling organizations: The Center on Conscience & War (CCW), and the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO).

Choosing To Not Register

On a percentage basis, not registering is the most likely way to prevent you from being drafted. The book Chance and Circumstance states that between 250,000 and 2 million males did not register for the draft during the Vietnam War. According to reports from the Selective Service System, forty percent of the men who are required to register for the draft don't register in the sixty-day time period required by law. At least one or two percent still haven't registered by the time they are twenty. At age 26 they are no longer allowed to register. Thus, the number of permanent non-registrants increases daily. There is a known minimum of at least 300,000 people, perhaps a million, who are becoming permanent non-registrants.

If you refuse to register with Selective Service, you'll receive threatening letters, at first politely reminding you to register, then threatening prosecution, finally informing you that your name has been turned over to the Department of Justice for possible prosecution. These sound scary, but they're mostly bluff. No one has been formally charged since 1986.

In the early 1980s, 21 men were indicted for refusal to register: 19 of those 21 were public resisters. Wherever there were trials, the rates of registration actually went down. This resistance halted prosecutions

Penalties for Failure to Register

The penalty for failing to register can be up to five years in jail and/or a fine of up to $250,000. In peacetime, with registration only, the regular maximum penalties are four months and/or $2500. If you don't register, you become ineligible for federal student aid, federal job training or civil service employment. Below, is a summary of the penalties you will face:

STUDENT FINANCIAL AID
Men, born after December 31, 1959, who aren't registered with Selective Service won't qualify for Federal student loans or grant programs. This includes Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.

CITIZENSHIP
The U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) makes registration with Selective Service a condition for U.S. citizenship if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.

FEDERAL JOB TRAINING
The Workforce Investment Act (formerly called the Job Training Partnership Act ? JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service. This applies only to men born after December 31, 1959.

FEDERAL JOBS
A man must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service. This applies only to men born after December 31, 1959.

Some states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register. See State Legislation.

A tactic used by many states is to require driver license applicant’s to register. These states require a consent statement on all applications or renewals for driver’s permits, licenses, and identification cards. The statement tells the applicant that by submitting the application he is consenting to his registration with the Selective Service if so required by Federal law. Transmission of applicant data to the Selective Service is accomplished electronically through an existing arrangement each state has with the data sharing system of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators.

As of August 28, 2003, 32 states, 2 territories, and the District of Columbia have enacted driver's license laws supporting SSS registration. They are: (1) Enacted and Implemented ? Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, the Virgin Islands, and the District of Columbia; (2) Enacted But Not Yet Implemented - Arizona, Kentucky, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Wisconsin

Aid for Those Who Do Not Register

The good news is that there are alternative funds for financial aid for those who cannot register for war because they believe registration is wrong. A few colleges will provide scholarships to make up for the government money denied. Mennonites, the Church of the Brethren, Quakers, Presbyterians and Lutherans have such limited assistance funds to support non-registrants in their own groups. There is a general fund, the Fund for Education and Training (FEAT), which supports those who do not qualify for the other programs. FEAT also would aid those who are denied job-training programs for refusing to register for the draft.

Appealing the Penalties for Failure to Register

A non-registrant may not be denied any benefit if he can "show by a preponderance of evidence" that his failure to register was not knowing and willful. You will have to describe, in detail, the circumstances you believe prevented you from registering and provide copies of documents showing any periods when you were hospitalized, institutionalized, or incarcerated occurring between your 18th and 26th birthdays. If you are a non-citizen, you may be required to provide documents that show when you entered the United States

The benefit agency official handling your case, not the Selective Service, will determine whether you have shown that your failure to register was not a knowing and willful failure to register. The final decision regarding your eligibility for the benefit that you seek will be made by that same agency, (for example, for student financial aid, this would be the Department of Education.) With some agencies, an appeals process is available.

Registering Late, Change of Address

Legally, at any moment until your twenty-sixth birthday, Selective Service must accept your draft registration card. Some young men delay registration until the year in which they turn 21, or even until just before turning 26. This method takes advantage of the way the draft lottery works.

A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. In other words, under present law, which might change with a new draft, Selective Service would first select randomly among those who turned 20 in the calendar year of the call-up. In practice, while it's possible that a draft could move beyond the age-20 selection group, the odds are against it.

It is important to remember that, once registered, even if it is the day before your 26th birthday, you are once again eligible for federal and state assistance.

Change of Address

Registrants are required to notify Selective Service within ten days of any changes to any of the information provided on the registration card, such as a change of address. According to the Center on Conscience and War, very few registrants are doing so. A registrant must report changes until January 1 of the year he turns 26. To notify Selective Service, mark your change(s) on the Change Information Form attached to the Registration acknowledgment Card and mail it to Selective Service, or complete a Change of Information Form, SSS Form 2, which you can obtain at any U.S. Post Office or U.S. Embassy or Consulate office. You may also notify Selective Service of any change by letter, but be sure to include your full name, Social Security Account Number, Selective Service Number, and date of birth, as well as your new mailing address

If the registrant forgets to notify the Selective Service of any address changes, or if the Selective Service loses that notification, the Selective Service may have difficulty finding and notifying the registrant of induction in case of a draft.

If you don't register before you turn 26, you will not be allowed to register, even if you change your mind. You'd then be permanently barred from such benefits, unless Congress or the courts act to change the law. A person who fails to register by age 26 may use the same appeals process as described above, under the section "Choosing To Not Register."

Registering But Resisting Induction

If you decide to register:


• Find a post office for your registration that has an accessible photocopier.
• Print in legible black ink across the middle of the registration form: I AM A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR TO WAR IN ANY FORM. This is not a classification, but it may help you later to document your position as a CO. Selective Service makes no record of this declaration in its computer files, but they do make a microfilm record of the registration card. You should make a copy of your card for your file.
• Make a photocopy of your registration form for your own records. Date it, fold and seal it, and mail it to yourself. The postmark confirms the date.
• Put a complete statement of your conscientious objector beliefs on file with your religious body, the CCW, the CCCO, or any other counseling agency.

After registration, Selective Service will send a "registration acknowledgement" letter, which repeats the information the registrant gave on the form and supplies a Selective Service Number. If any of the information is incorrect, the registrant may return the accompanying Form 3B to correct any mistakes. The registrant can retain this letter, Form 3A, as proof of his registration.

Before anyone can be drafted, Congress and the President would have to enact legislation authorizing new draft calls. If this happens, one can apply for various postponements and reclassifications to delay induction, or to avoid it entirely.

Filing for postponement or reclassification

Selective Service regulations are filled with loopholes, postponements, and reclassifications for those who will not or cannot be drafted. A registrant can file a claim only after receipt of an order to report for induction and before the day he is scheduled to report (this means within 10 days). If you were called up, you would receive an induction notice requiring you to report on a certain date not less than 10 days from the date of the notice, to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) unless you filed a claim for exemption or deferment. Filing a claim involves no more than checking a box on a form, and submitting it to the Selective Service.

After the Selective Service receives the claim, they will send you more forms to complete. You must apply for any and all exemptions for which you think you may qualify, and/or for classification as a conscientious objector. A registrant automatically gets his induction delayed if he files a claim for reclassification. He is also entitled to file for a postponement if he is a student or if he has an emergency beyond his control, such as a serious illness or death in his immediate family. The induction date will be postponed until the draft board evaluates the validity of the claim. The Selective Service publishes a booklet titled "Information for Registrants" which lists each category of claim for postponement of induction into the armed forces and each type of reclassification to become exempt from the draft. Under each heading (accessible by the web) is a detailed description of the qualifications and requirements for each category. The major headings are listed below.

Postponements


1. Student Postponements
2. Emergency Postponements
3. Religious Holiday Postponements
4. Other Postponements
-State or National Examination Scheduled
-Military Academy Acceptance
-Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) Applicant
-Acceptance for Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) Program

Reclassifications


1. Members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or the Public Health Service (Class 1-C)
2. Deferment of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Students Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-D)
3. Exemption of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Student Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-E)
4. Conscientious Objectors Available for Noncombatant Military Service Only (Class 1-A-O)
5. Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Class 1-O)
6. Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Separated from Military Service) (Class 1-O-S)
7. Registrant Deferred Because of Study Preparing for the Ministry (Class 2-D)
8. Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents (Class 3-A)
9. Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents (Separated from Military Service) (Class 3-A-S)
10. Registrant Who Has Completed Military Service (Class 4-A)
11. Registrant Who Has Performed Military Service for a Foreign Nation (Class 4-A-A)
12. Official Deferred by Law (Class 4-B)
13. Alien or Dual National (Class 4-C)
14. Treaty Alien (Class 4-T)
15. Minister of Religion (Class 4-D)
16. Registrant Exempted from Service Because of the Death of His Parent or Sibling While Serving in the Armed Forces or Whose Parent or Sibling is in a Captured or Missing in Action Status (Class 4-G)
17. Registrant Not Acceptable for Military Service (Class 4-F)

For a hard copy of the above information, write to Consumer Information Center, Pueblo, CO 81009, and ask for "Information for Registrants." Enclose $1 for processing, payable to Superintendent of Documents. The CCCO, CCW and other counseling agencies will probably also have copies of this document available.

Conscientious Objectors

Conscientious Objection is the category of reclassification of most interest to the majority of draft resisters. In fact, every draft resister is a conscientious objector in his own way. According to the Selective Service, a conscientious objector is one who is opposed to serving in the armed forces and/or bearing arms on the grounds of moral or religious principles. Beliefs which qualify a registrant for CO status may be religious in nature, but don't have to be. Beliefs may be moral or ethical, but according to the Selective Service, a man's reasons for not wanting to participate in a war must not be based on politics, expediency, or self-interest. In general, the man's lifestyle prior to making his claim must reflect his current claims.

Be aware that, while similar, regulations regarding Conscientious Objection differ for members of the military forces. For more information on claiming Conscientious Objector status while a member of the Armed Forces, see "Advice For Conscientious Objectors in the Armed Forces" by Robert Seeley on the CCCO website.

Conscientious objectors should begin to document their claims well in advance of being drafted since otherwise, their time will be very limited. COs should have prepared in advance a file which documents their beliefs. At the minimum, this file should include the photocopy of the registration card, a comprehensive statement of beliefs, and letters of support for this statement. The CCW website has articles with detailed instructions on how to prepare your statement of beliefs and letters of support. There, you may also sign on to the Conscientious Objector Affirmation. Such evidence can be presented to the local board that will hear the claim for a CO classification. Compiling this file should be done with supervision from a qualified draft counselor or agency such as CCW or CCCO.

If you have one, get on record with your religious organization, especially if there is an official registrar. File a provisional version of your claim with them and/or with the CCW or CCCO. Request an analysis of your claim with your counselor. Arrange for letters of support (signed and dated) and documentation of your belief and a life-style consistent with your claim. Arrange for witnesses and an advisor in advance of your hearing.

If you don’t have legal advice, get it. Keep your own file about your beliefs about war and the draft. Keep records of all transactions with the Selective Service System. Many local peace centers have information. The Center on Conscience & Warfare (CCW) provides a counseling service by mail and phone, and publishes aids for thinking out what you believe and what to do. So does the CCCO, the Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors.

Be sure to learn the procedure for obtaining conscientious objection status.

In general, once a man gets a notice that he has been found qualified for military service (i.e., receives an induction letter), he has the opportunity to make a claim for classification as a conscientious objector (CO). If a registrant believes he can qualify for Class 1-O, he should complete the Claim Documentation Form, Conscientious Objector (SSS Form 22), provided by his Area Office and return the form to the Area Office with documents and written statements to support his claim. Form 22 asks the applicant to answer three questions.


1. Describe your beliefs that are the reasons for your claiming conscientious objection to combatant military training and service or to all military training and service.
2. Describe how and when you acquired these beliefs
3. Explain what most clearly shows that your beliefs are deeply held. You may wish to include a description of how your beliefs affect the way you live.

You should begin preparing answers to these questions as soon as you decide to claim Conscientious Objector status. The Center on Conscience and War provides an excellent worksheet to help you.

A registrant making a claim for Conscientious Objection is required to appear before his local board to explain his beliefs. Claimants for hardship or ministerial classification may also request a personal appearance. At a personal appearance you will have at least twenty minutes, and may present up to three witnesses. You may be accompanied by an advisor, and may request that the meeting be open. You cannot use a recorder at the meeting; but you can submit your own summary within five days after the hearing.

If a claim of conscientious objector status is granted, Selective Service regulations state that the registrant must perform alternative service. Of course, one may also choose to resist or refuse alternative service for reasons of conscience. Likely Alternative Service jobs are in the fields of conservation, caring for the very young or very old, education, or health care. Length of service in the program will equal the amount of time a man would have been assigned to the military.

Appealing a Claim That Is Denied

The local board will decide whether to grant or deny a CO classification based on the evidence a registrant has presented. If your claim is rejected, you will receive a new induction date. The CCCO, CCW, and others can help you find lawyers and/or counselors to help you through the lengthy appeals process. The board must give reasons for rejection of your claim. You may appeal a Local Board's decision to a Selective Service District Appeal Board. If the Appeal Board also denies your claim, but the vote is not unanimous, you may further appeal the decision to the National Appeal Board

Refusing Induction

You do, in good conscience, object to Registration and the Draft. This does not change simply because the Selective Service denies your claim. Since there is currently no draft, there are no rules governing those who refuse induction. Historically, draft resisters have been prosecuted and penalized in some manner. You can expect the same. If you choose to refuse induction or were successful using one of the methods described above, you will join a long line of conscientious objectors proud to have defended their freedom to make their own conscientious decisions, and your freedom to do the same. For their stories, check out one of the many books currently available on conscientious objectors and conscientious objection. If you let your conscience be your guide, not your fear or doubt or uncertainty, you will always make a good decision, you will always be free, and you will never regret it.

Contact Information


• Center on Conscience & War (NISBCO)
1830 Connecticut Ave. NW, Washington, DC 20009
202-483-2220
800-379-2679
Fax: 202-483-1246
nisbco@nisbco.org
• Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
1515 Cherry St., Philadelphia, PA 19102
215-563-8787
Fax 215-567-2096
info@objector.org
• CCCO West
630 20th Street Oakland, CA 94612
510-465-1617
Fax 510-465-2459
info@objector.org

References

Organizations

• The Selective Service System
• The Center on Conscience & War (CCW)
• The Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
• The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)

Articles

• "Medical Workers Face Military Draft" WorldNet Daily
• "It’s Not Your Father’s Draft" Youth & Militarism Magazine

Appendix 1: SEQUENCE OF EVENTS

Here is a brief overview of what would occur if the United States returned to a draft:

1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT (see draft on this site)
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation that starts a draft.

2. THE LOTTERY
The lottery would establish the priority of call based on the birth dates of registrants. The first men drafted would be those turning age 20 during the calendar year of the lottery. For example, if a draft were held in 1998, those men born in 1978 would be considered first. If a young man turns 21 in the year of the draft, he would be in the second priority, in turning 22 he would be in the third priority, and so forth until the year in which he turns 26 at which time he is over the age of liability. Younger men would not be called in that year until men in the 20?25 age group are called

3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.

4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also Classifications.

5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT
Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.

The registrant appeal process begins when a registrant is dissatisfied with his Local Board’s decision about his reclassification request and initiates an appeal. The first line of appeal is to the District Appeal Board. In the case of non-unanimous decisions of the District Appeal Board, the registrant may appeal to the President through the National Appeal Board.

6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.

September 16, 2003

David Wiggins is a West Point (United States Military Academy) distinguished graduate and an honors graduate of New York Medical College. He left the Army as a Conscientious Objector, resigning his commission as an Army Captain on the Iraqi front lines during Operation Desert Storm. He is currently an Emergency Physician.

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Military Selective Service Act
http://www.sss.gov/PDFs/MSSA-2003.pdf

Health Care Personnel Delivery System
http://www.sss.gov/FSmedical.htm

Health Care Professionals and the Draft
http://www.nisbco.org/HCPDSWWW.htm#_Hlk51211599

other "special skills" drafts
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33754

Selective Service System
http://www.sss.gov/

It’s Not Your Father’s Draft
http://www.afsc.org/youthmil/200202/notdraft.htm

The Center on Conscience & War
http://www.nisbco.org/

Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors
http://www.objector.org/

Chance and Circumstance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0394412753/lewrockwell/

State Legislation
http://www.sss.gov/fsstateleg.htm

Fund for Education and Training (FEAT)
http://www.nisbco.org/FEAT.htm

Information for Registrants
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm

accessible by the web
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm

Student Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#StudentPostponements

Emergency Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#EmergencyPostponements

Religious Holiday Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#ReligiousHolidayPostponements

Other Postponements
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#OtherPostponements

State or National Examination Scheduled
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#StateorNationalExaminationScheduled

Military Academy Acceptance
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#MilitaryAcademyAcceptance

Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) Applicant
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#ReserveOfficerTrainingCorps

(ROTC)ApplicantA
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#AcceptanceforReserveOfficerTrainingCorps

(ROTC)Program Acceptance for Reserve Officer Training Corps(ROTC) Program
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#AcceptanceforReserveOfficerTrainingCorps

(ROTC)Program Members of the Armed Forces of the United States, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or the Public Health Service (Class 1-C)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-C)

Deferment of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Students Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-D)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-D-D)

Exemption of Certain Members of a Reserve Component or Student Taking Military Training (Class 1-D-E)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-D-E)

Conscientious Objectors Available for Noncombatant Military Service Only (Class 1-A-O)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-A-O)

Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Class 1-O)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-O)

Conscientious Objectors to All Military Service (Separated from Military Service) (Class1-O-S)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%201-O-S)

Registrant Deferred Because of Study Preparing for the Ministry (Class 2-D)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%202-D)

Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents (Class 3-A)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%203-A)

Registrant Deferred Because of Hardship to Dependents
(Separated from Military Service)(Class 3-A-S)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%203-A-S)

Registrant Who Has Completed Military Service (Class 4-A)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-A)

Registrant Who Has Performed Military Service for a Foreign Nation (Class 4-A-A)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-A-A)

Official Deferred by Law (Class 4-B)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-B)

Alien or Dual National (Class 4-C)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-C)

Treaty Alien (Class 4-T)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-T)

Minister of Religion (Class 4-D)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-D)

Registrant Exempted from Service Because of the Death of His Parent or Sibling While Serving in the Armed Forces or Whose Parent or Sibling is in a Captured or Missing in Action Status (Class 4-G)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-G)

Registrant Not Acceptable for Military Service (Class 4-F)
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class%204-F)

Advice For Conscientious Objectors in the Armed Forces
http://www.objector.org/advice/contents.html


the CCCO website
http://www.objector.org/

comprehensive statement of beliefs
http://www.nisbco.org/co_worksheet.htm

letters of support
http://www.nisbco.org/Letters_of_Support.htm


CCW website
http://www.nisbco.org/

the Conscientious Objector Affirmation
http://www.nisbco.org/CO_Affirmation.htm

to learn the procedure
http://www.sss.gov/regisrantsbk.htm#(Class 1-0)

worksheet
http://www.nisbco.org/co_worksheet.htm

find books online (key word search: conscientious objection)
emergency financial assistance purchase books online
alternative direction

Center on Conscience & War (NISBCO)
http://nisbco.org/
nisbco@nisbco.org
mailto:nisbco@nisbco.org

Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
http://www.objector.org
info@objector.org
mailto:info@objector.org

CCCO West
http://www.objector.org
info@objector.org
mailto:info@objector.org

The Selective Service System
http://www.sss.gov/

The Center on Conscience & War (CCW)
http://www.nisbco.org/

The Central Committee for Conscientious Objectors (CCCO)
http://www.objector.org/

The American Friends Service Committee (AFSC)
http://www.afsc.org/

Medical Workers Face Military Draft
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33754

It’s Not Your Father’s Draft
http://www.afsc.org/youthmil/200202/notdraft.htm

Agency Structure
http://www.sss.gov/struct.htm

Classifications
http://www.sss.gov/classif.htm

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Mr. Blonde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:47 PM
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10. I would go
I couldn't leave the country. Agreement or not with the war is not enough for me to justify leaving. Although I can't hit the broad side of the barn with a shot gun. They might tell me to leave after that.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:28 AM
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13. Welcome to DU.
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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:34 AM
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14. My parents
own a vacation home in Monte Carlo. They said that if I am drafted, me and my friends are free to use it. I envision "Real World" style drama if that should happen. lol... After the election, If Bush wants me, he would have 16 months to do it, after that I will be 26.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:35 AM
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15. That's up to him, but I've heard Canada is nice. nt
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:36 AM
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16. i will rain down shit on the white house, they won't kill MY son....n/t
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:54 AM
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19. AMEN.
I am taking no chances. Canada, here we come as soon as the house is built. Feel free to contact me regarding safe houses, sympathetic church organizations and the like.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:40 AM
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17. my son and daughters will enroll at McGill and live with family/friends in
Montreal
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:56 AM
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20. if they come to get my boy......
...let's just say i got somethin' for em'
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:56 AM
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21. I'm not sure.
I just don't have the resources to pick up and leave the country, although that would be an option. I don't think they'll come for me, lol, I'm 44. But I have a 24 and a 26 year-old son. If they are past draft age, fine. But if not, we're going to have a dust-up. Generally, since my boys are men and make their own decisions, it's up to them. Knowing them, I believe they would fight it in several ways. First on medical grounds. My older son has a hernia that has still not been repaired, 3 1/2 years into fighting with his HMO. My younger son has had more concussions than most professional football players and has been warned not to allow any more blows to the head. If medical grounds didn't work, they'd try student deferrments. If that didn't work, they might leave the country. If they couldn't leave, they, being stubbornly idealistic, would probably allow themselves to be arrested/incarcerated or whatever they do to people who don't show up as ordered. Whatever their choices, I'll support them along the way with everything I've got.

Neither one are really good candidates for the military. They are too much like their mother. Incredibly stubborn and independent; will not engage in any activity not of their choice. Even if they were considering it, they would refuse if someone ordered them. They don't follow orders on principle. And any attempt to force them to comply will get a surface, literal compliance with a continuous public, verbal dispute. If they decided a cause was just and wanted to join up to support it, they would. But nobody tells them what to do. And they wouldn't offer up their lives to GWB's agenda in any scenario.
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shimmergal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 08:59 AM
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22. What a worry!
I have one 18- and one 20-year old grandson, who both are drifting along, not having "found themselves" (i.e. a clear career or personal goal) yet.

In another era, I'd have thought some time in the military might be just what they needed. It would get them away from home, into a situation where just feeling disinclined to do something is no excuse. Give them some job training and other good stuff.

But no way do I want them going in to serve as fodder for Bush*'s war fantasies! One boy says he'll say he's gay to avoid the draft (he isn't, BTW), but I don't think that'll cut it, this time. The fact that they both have GEDs rather than regular H.S. diplomas might help; it's my understanding that even the army doesn't take many inductees from this group. Otherwise, I just don't know. It'll be up to them how to respond, of course. I doubt they'd leave the country to avoid the draft.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 09:09 AM
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23. I think about this often
because my oldest son will be 17 this coming September. Sometimes I think of just selling the house and skipping around. My husband is retired so his income follows him. If they want him they will have to spend some cash to locate him. I also have an ex foreign exchange student in Yugoslavia and if worst comes to worst then I can ship him over there. Imagine that, an American going into Yugoslavia to escape policies over here.
Of course then I consider Coast Guard, maybe he should go in NOW so they can't force him into the army later.
I don't know. I think about it often but I don't think my almost 17 year old and his friends have a clue, they don't see. Sometimes I think that is for the best.
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