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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:24 AM
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Andy & Bev - I need help
I just received this email from Justice for All:

"Testimony Request RE Voting Accessibility"

Angela Katsakis of AAPD's Disability Vote Project
<aapdvote@earthlink.net> writes:

If you've had problems with inaccessible voting systems or
have been hassled at the polls, then the Election
Administration Commission wants to know (see the
announcement that follows). If you've had problems with
punch cards, optical scans and lever machines, describe
them in your testimony. Submit testimony by June 4, 2004,
to testimony@eac.gov or to the Election Administration
Commission, 1225 New York Avenue, Suite 1100, Washington,
DC, 20005. Remember to include your contact information.

Kelly Anthony, Director of the Missouri Disability Vote
Coalition, is testifying for the Election Assistance
Commission to discuss the impact of the provisional ballot
on people with disabilities. The hearing is open to the
public and the notice is posted below and attached.

BACKGROUND:

This November, only about 8% of the nation will be voting
on accessible voting systems. Most Americans will vote on
punch card, optical scan and mechanical lever machine, as
they did in the 2000 election. Each type of voting system
is inaccessible for different reasons. Another problem with
these voting systems is that they do not count votes as
accurately as accessible touchscreen machines. For example,
in the October California recall election, punchcards
failed to count 6% of the vote, optical scan failed to
count 3% and touchscreens failed to count 1.5% of the
votes. Besides being accessible, touchscreens count more
votes, are simpler to administer, and, in the long run,
cost less to purchase and operate.

Poorly trained pollworkers will deny the right to vote to a
person with a disability because the pollworker believes
the person is 'too disabled' to cast an informed vote or
because they cannot find the voter's name on the
registration list. Prior to HAVA, only 15 states offered a
provisional ballot. A provisional ballot, a new HAVA
requirement, mandates that anyone who is told by a
pollworker s/he cannot vote, according to the Help America
Vote Act, should be offered a provisional ballot. After the
rush of Election Day, during the canvass (official counting
of the ballots), the voter's registration is verified and
that ballot is counted.

Angela Katsakis
Disability Vote Project Coordinator
AAPD (American Association of
People with Disabilities)
1629 K Street, NW, Suite 503
Washington, DC 20006
1-800-840-8844 (V/TTY)
VOTE AS IF YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT, BECAUSE IT DOES.

=============================

U.S. ELECTION ASSISTANCE COMMISSION
1225 New York Ave. NW - Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20005

SUNSHINE ACT NOTICES

AGENCY: United States Election Assistance Commission

DATE & TIME: Thursday, June 3, 2004, at 9:00 A.M

PLACE: Loyola University
Water Tower Campus
25 East Pearson
Chicago, IL 60611
15th Floor
Kasbeer Hall

STATUS: This Meeting Will Be Open to the Public.

NOTE: Early Arrival: Those Attending Are Advised to Arrive
Early for Registration and Security Check

PURPOSE: To Conduct a Public Hearing to Identify Best
Practices, Problems and Transition Issues Associated with
Optical Scan, Punch Card, and Lever Machine Voting Systems
and the Success and Problems Identified with the Use of
Provisional Voting.

The Following Witness Panels Will Be Presented:
Punchcard Panel, Lever Machine Panel, Optical Scan Panel
and Provisional Vote Panel

PERSON TO CONTACT FOR INFORMATION:
Bryan Whitener
(202) 566-3100

Justice for All is the largest online organization for the disabled. They are heavily promoting touch screen machines. I have sent them links to blackboxvoting.com, the John Hopkins study and other related links.

What else can I do to educate them?
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 12:53 AM
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1. I just wrote Angela as President of a patient advocacy group
I will let you know if she replies. I will have to try to get something to the hearing folks on June 2nd. Hope that we get Angela's ear. They already have.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:42 AM
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2. Would you please PM me here if you get a response?
TIA!
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:47 AM
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3. Yikes!
Ok I am composing a letter now.

PM Bev the link to this as well.


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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 01:49 AM
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4.  Bryan Whitener
He is no help...

BTW I am looking for information on a particular person with the EAC.

Her name is Peggy Sims. Any info there would be greatly appreciated.

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:06 PM
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5. Kick
For the daytime crowd.
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RedEagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 02:40 PM
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6. The greatest issue is GETTING to the polls.....
....for these people, as Bev has pointed out.

If states do not allow absentee ballots for the disabled, there is the major problem.

Ballot templates should be provided at the polls for the visually impaired.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:16 PM
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8. For seventeen years
and w/the exception of voting in an accessible California garage, I have voted absentee in three states.

Presently I live in Oregon where everyone votes by mail.

I have not checked w/the other 47 states, but I can not believe there is such a law that prohibits the disabled voting by mail/absentee.

The slant to worship touch screen machines, IMHO, was begun by Jim Dickson, a blind member of AAPD. Jim is an attention seeking drama queen that does NOT speak for the disabled!

Despite sending many emails to Jonathan Young of Justice for All that provided many articles and links to the horror of the computer voting machines, he still sends out disinformation to the disabled community.

I will not be patted on the head like a nice little crip like the above would like for me to be. There are over 50 million disabled people in the U.S. - a huge voting bloc. I need, we need help in fighting this bunk.
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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:11 PM
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7. Woh. This is a glaring item:
they ask if you've had problems with optical scans, punch cards, lever machines -- but NOT touch screens.

Pastiche, are you in New Mexico? If so, we should meet when Andy and I come through doing the kickbacks investigation.

Okay, now for the letter -- emphasize your concern, as a disabled individual, that your vote be properly audited. Tell them you feel that paperless touch screens disenfranchise you.

For those who don't know, Pastiche is a veteran of this issue, totally gets it, and has expressed more than once that it seems inappropriate to capitalize on the disabled to cram unauditable machines down our throats.

Good luck. You're eloquent and articulate. You'll do great. Just do it.

Bev
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:47 PM
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9. "problems with optical scans, punch cards, lever machines"
I saw that as well.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 03:54 PM
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10. this is what jumped out at me....
they do not count votes as accurately as accessible touchscreen machines

geez louise!

we don't know if they count at all, much less accurately!

was this from a Diebold press release?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:19 PM
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11. This is from
http://www.civilrights.org/ :

Only electronic voting systems are able to provide full equality to people with disabilities or limited English proficiency. In addition, DREs have lower error rates for historically disenfranchised populations, as described above.

(Historically? How long have they been in use?

http://www.civilrights.org/issues/voting/details.cfm?id=18481

Are these people ignorant of what is going on in plain sight?

Or

Are they being paid off?
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 04:35 PM
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12. "Only electronic voting systems...provide full equality"???
what a bunch of BUSHit! Good heavens. In what way, precisely, is it easier to get into a marginally-accessible polling place to use a Diebold touchscreen than it is to get into a marginally-accessible polling place to use a punchcard or lever or other system? And in what way is either one easier than voting via absentee ballot in the privacy of one's own home?

I smell a Diebold rat, myself.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 05:14 PM
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13. In what way is it easier for the dis?
lol

There is absolutely no way!

After being injured in California, I simply went to the same polling place I'd been voting at for a decade before. If I had needed help, I am sure it would have been offered.

Once while living in North Carolina, I was offered a ride to the polling place since there was no accessible mass transit. I accepted and voted.

Since I moved to Oregon, I've voted by mail as all other Oregonians do.

In all of the states, I as a crip, have voted, the voting methods have never been a problem.

I feel that the DREs are being pushed on uneducated (on the issue) disabled people and it pisses me off!


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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:40 PM
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14. Kick
The level of ignorance that many show on this issue is very distressing.
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