***Three Saudi princes tied to Al Qaeda die days apart! ***

[9215]

Abu Zubaydah was a high level operations chief for Al Qaeda and "confidant" of OBL captured in Pakistan in late March 2002 by the combined efforts of Pakistani forces and US special forces. White House Spokesman Ari Fleischer said "this represents a very significant blow to Al Qaeda......a key terrorist recruiter, an operational planner...." . Donald Rumsfeld said he wanted to keep Zubdayhah healthy for a long period of questioning. When interrogation efforts stalled Zubdaydah was flown to an Afghan complex fitted out as a fake Saudi jail. Interrogation procedures were set up in the "good cop bad cop scenario". He was given truth serum (Sodium Pentathol) as part of an IV injection for wounds and the truth turned out to be stranger than fiction. The bad cops were suppose to be the Saudi interrogators but Zubadayah expressed relief when he saw them, instead of the fear that the interrogators expected, and quickly started talking about who to contact in the Saudi elite that could explain everything. . Zubaydah named three Princes to contact: Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz was his primary contact. Aziz was into horse racing and was one of the elites evacuated from Lexington, Kentucky on 9/16/01. Prince Fahd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir and Prince Sultan bin Faisal bin Turki al-Saud a nephew of King Fahd's were the other two intermediaries. (Note: Turki bin Faisal is the name of Saudi intel chief who resigned on 9/11,http://expage.com/notowar13b, also there is a Faisal in the Carlyle group who likes Mikey) This and the following information was independently corroborated by two government sources that were involved in all aspects of the Zubaydah capture and interrogation. A Defense Intelligence Agency Employee also verified the techniques used for interrogating. (Posner page 181). As Unger states Zubadayah seemed to think that the Saudi interrogators were in danger not him and he willingly talked of a deal made between Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda that let Al Qaeda do whatever they wanted as long as they didn't attack Saudi Arabia. He then said that "Ahmed knew beforehand that an attack was scheduled for American soil that day".

Then the three Princes died.......
Ahmed returned to the US to do some horse racing and at one race a ceremony honoring the fireman and dead of 9/11 was held. Ahmed refused to make a statement, but rather gloated over his victory at the races. .....On July 22 Ahmed died in his sleep from a "heart attack"...........then Prince Sultan bin Faisal died in a one car crash on the way to Ahmed's funeral the next day......."A week later on July 30, Prince Fauhd bin Turki bin Saud al-Kabir, the third person named by Zubaydah was found in the desert, cause of death: "apparently died of thirst".

All of the links between Al Qaeda and the Saudi elites cited by Zubaydah were dead! Follow the money, follow the bodies. And we have heard nothing of what happened to Zubaydah.

FN page269 from Craig Unger's book--". During his interrogation, Zubaydah had also said that OSama Bin Laden had struck a deal with Pakistani air force chief Air Marshal Mushaf Ali Mir, and had told him there woudl be unspecified attacks on American soil on 9/11. Seven months after the Saudi deaths, on Februery 20, 20003, Mir and sixteen others were killed when their plane crashed in the northwest province of Pakistan. Sabotage was widely speculated to be behind the crash, but could not be proved.
http://www.pakaviation.com/PVA/Aero_News/Item/Aviation_News_200302251.html



How do we get comic relief? ....."Finally, the details of Zubaydah’s drug-induced confessions might bring on charges that the U.S. is using torture on terror suspects. According to Posner, the Administration decided shortly after 9/11 to permit the use of Sodium Pentothal on prisoners. The Administration, he writes, "privately believes that the Supreme Court has implicitly approved using such drugs in matters where public safety is at risk," citing a 1963 opinion. "





Sources:
Craig Unger "House of Bush House of Saud" (Pages 263-70)
Gerald Posner: "Why America Slept" (Page 181)

http://www.pakaviation.com/PVA/Aero_News/Item/Aviation_News_200302251.html

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,480240,00.html

Bob Drogin , "US studies loot seized with captured Al Qaeda Leader". Los Angeles Times, April 3, 2002.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Gerald Posner must be taken...

With a grain of salt.

[9215]

3. I agree, but the deaths of those people Zubaydah named are

just two damn coincidental. That is really the issue here for me.

And what has happened to Zubaydah? Why hasn't he been up there with Moussaoui as a big victory for the Bushieboy's campaign.

[eridani]

11. What book is Posner most famous for?

Case Closed, in which he debunked all the Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories. Any claims he makes are made by a skeptic of conspiracy theories, not a tin foil hatter.

[The Magistrate]

2. Of Course, My Friend

This could also of been Mr. Zubayda's way of procuring harm to persons he felt inimicable to his cause....

[9215]

5. No way. Not if the scenario Posner cites is accurate:

that is Zub tells Saudis of the three Princes and then all three suddenly die. Your take is akin to the myth that Chalabi lead the US into Iraq with bogus info.

It is the sudden disappearance of the three princes that is of main interest to me. They were murdered to silence them, IMO.

[lanparty]

4. Not true ...

The date of the 9/11 attacks weren't set in stone. 9/11 was the date decided on in the US due to favorable conditions.

I would take this with a large block of salt suitable for a herd of deer.

[9215]

6. How do you know what was or was not set in stone?

:shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

7. Especially when the "practice" was

don't ya think?

[seemslikeadream]

9. I should explain my remark

Minstrel Boy

"bizarre coincidence": Cheney monitors crash simulation morning of 9/11


Think about this: What if you were getting ready to pull off the biggest "sneak attack" since Pearl Harbor. What if you needed a plausible "cover story" in case some innocent "paper pusher" happened to discover some of your plans?

Would this simulation of a plane crashing into a building answer all the questions that an innocent reporter or junior officer would have if he/she happened to discover any part of the plan?
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=22437

The story - a "limited hangout", I believe (that is, there was no simulation; it is a cover-story to explain otherwise inexplicable activity by senior leadership) - was first quietly put out there in this announcement of a Homeland Security event to mark the first anniversary of the attacks. Regarding one speaker, John Fulton:

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day.
http://www.nlsi.net/hs-alc-info.htm

The story was then picked up by Associated Press:

AP story:

Agency planned drill for plane crash last Sept. 11
Associated Press
August 22, 2002

WASHINGTON -- In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft crashed into one of its buildings....

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet crashed into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure. The agency is about four miles from the runways of Washington Dulles International Airport.

...

"It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility," Haubold said. "As soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise."

...

The National Reconnaissance Office operates many of the nation's spy satellites. It draws its personnel from the military and the CIA.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

Another "bizarre coincidence": the pilot of Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, had helped draft the response plans to the crashing of a commercial airliner into the, er, Pentagon:

Barbara Honegger, who worked in the White House under Reagan, points out another coincidence. Researching press reports, she found a 9/16/01 Washington Post story about the pilot of AA flight 77 that, on the morning of 9/11, was said to have crashed into the Pentagon.

The pilot, Charles Burlingame, an ex- F4 Navy flyer, had, as his last Navy mission, helped craft Pentagon response plans in the event of a commercial ariliner hitting the Pentagon.

Pilot drafts plan for response to Pentagon hit. Pilot winds up on plane that hits Pentagon.

Honegger states that Dick Cheney was ultimately in charge of the NRO exercise on the morning of 9/11. He was in the White House Situation Room for that purpose.
http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/0514_coincidence.html

Here's Barbara Honegger:

...the main pilot of the 9-11 Pentagon plane, former Navy and then Navy Reservist pilot Charles Burlingame, had recently, in a Reserve assignment at the Pentagon, been part of a Task Force that drafted the Pentagon's emergency response plan on what to do in case a plane hit the building - which his own plane then did. It is therefore very possible - in fact extremely likely, if not certain - that this 'task force' that Flight 77 pilot "Chick" Burlingame was part of was the Cheney counterterrorism preparedness task force, and that the Pentagon plane pilot, therefore, directly knew and even worked with/for Cheney. and

Burlingame's 9-11 Pentagon plane not only hit the Pentagon that morning, it struck a Command and Control center for that morning's counterterrorism "game" exercise, killing most, if not all, of the "players". We know this because Army personnel from Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey were on special duty assignment at the Pentagon that morning for an emergency response exercise and were killed when Burlingame's plane hit. Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey also happens to be the headquarters for White House/Presidential communications, including therefore probably also for Air Force One (this is discoverable) -- and recall the warning "Air Force One is next" and the 'secret code' which was called into the White House that morning which WH press secretary Ari Fleischer revealed as a means of explaining why Pres. Bush left Florida for a military base and did not return to the White House. This "warning" was probably called into the White House, if true, by either the Ft. Monmouth White House communications headquarters and/or the Ft. Monmouth counterterrorism exercise "game" players temporarily at the Pentagon that morning.

This nexus is completely and totally beyond coincidence....
http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pen08.html


dweller

thus the intercepted


message supposedly heard 9/10

'the match is on'

i remember reading about that quite awhile back....who was writing about that? I believe it was a female author....?
dp


Old and In the Way

I recall that it was this leak that sent Cheney ballistic.


I believe he wanted to administer lie detector tests to the members of the Senate Intelligence committee to find out who leaked that story.

very interesting.....


dweller

i recall the theory was


that someone knew of the plan for the exercise, and the 'match' was to send real hijacked planes into WTC and Pentagon which everyone would have thought was part of the exercise. Which gave more credence as to why NORAD stood down...assuming it was part of the plan, etc.

there were 2 messages intercepted, and both could be explained hypothetically in the theory. But now I can't remember where it was promoted. Either way, the WH is covering up a grand f*ck up, or they were allowing it to happen all the same.

Will we ever learn the truth in our lifetime?
dp


bluedog

so was Condi


out of the loop? did she and the defense dept spaek about these "fake" crashes? If so this Proves she was lying about the fact they never thought an airplane would be used.......

Whoever is detected in a shameful fraud is ever after not believed even if they speak the truth......phaedrus~


Must_B_Free

that is a stark contradiction


given the present media attention on all of this...

Disclaimer: posts mostly sarcasm.


Old and In the Way

I agree...this was a built in excuse, so why not have used this

to explain the confusion? Of course, if "Vigilant Guardian" was running, where were the AF fighters involved in this simulation?


DoYouEverWonder

They were all in the air up and down the east coast

that's why the WH is trying to stiffle this info.

If it had been a traditional hijacking they would have scrambled these fighters, that were already up there anyway, and they would have escorted the planes to safe landings and been hailed as heros.

Instead someone pulled a fast one and started flying the planes into buildings and they didn't know how to react because their original plans had fallen apart. So they freaked out and didn't react at all, which made them look even worse.


Minstrel Boy

They didn't anticipate a traditional hijacking.

Intelligence had been received of the intention to fly planes into buildings. That intelligence has been covered up. This is part of Sibel Edmond's bombshell.

And security for the Genoa summit in the summer of 2001 was alerted to the possibility of remote-controlled planes crashing into the conference. It was the last thing James Hatfield wrote before he was suicided: ("Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?" - http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfiel... ).

DoYouEverWonder

Condi stated that they anticipated traditional hijackings

at the same time she put her foot in her mouth and said no one ever expected someone to turn airplanes into missiles and fly them into buildings.

The question is what the heck did she mean when she said they expected traditional hijackings?


Minstrel Boy

my thought on Condi:

she knew only what she needed to know to get her to play along and compromise her. She certainly didn't need to know all. Very few did. It's quite conceivable she was told to expect traditional hijackings. But there are some who expected more, and got it.

Most senior officials, like Clarke, were not in the loop of conspirators. But if there is any truth to the administration's complicity, then there are also loops within loops.


DoYouEverWonder

I agree

that's why some of them had that deer in the headlights look that morning. I don't think things went down the way they were supposed to that day. After that the best they could do was to try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.


Minstrel Boy
9/11 "War Games" by the US military before and during the attacks


"Vigilent Guardian" and the "simulation"

http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html


Must_B_Free

Pictures from this event used to be online


remember ? of course everyone was more dismissive about this back then.

Disclaimer: posts mostly sarcasm.

Media_Lies_Daily

They're still online. Here they are...


<http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html >

<http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/news_photos/Contingency_Planning_Photos.h... >

<http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/2002/mirror052402.html >

<http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/0514_coincidence.html >

Minstrel Boy

New bombshell: on 9/11 Pentagon conducted live-fly hijacking wargame

Just heard this from Mike Ruppert last night at the Toronto inquiry, so no link yet. He based his information upon confirmation, in writing, from a NORAD official, though the wargame remains classified.

This was one of five wargames/simulations on the morning of 9/11, many with confusingly similar names (the confusion no doubt intentional): "Vigilant Guardian", "Northern Vigilance", "Vigilant Warrior", etc.

We already know that the CIA, through the National Reconaissance Office, was conducting a simulation of planes flying into buildings on the morning of Sept 11. This was called a "bizarre coincidence": http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...

Well here's one more: on the same morning, the Pentagon, under the auspices of the Joint Chiefs, was running a live-fly exercise of a response to multiple hijackings. Numerous aircraft, military and civilian, were used in the exercise.

Do you remember that day, hearing that a dozen or so other aircraft were thought hijacked? This is why.

With many fighters already committed to other wargames, the number remaining to respond to a threat were outnumbered by the number of apparently hijacked planes. With the transponders switched off, identities of the genuine threat from the simulated became confused.

Remember reading remarks of officials who wondered at first whether the hijackings were part of a wargame? This is the game.

This game actually did receive some press - a small mention in USA Today soon after 9/11 - which most have missed. The White House denied knowledge of the game, but NORAD says different.

Ruppert noted also the change in the standing orders for shoot down on June 1 2001, after 26 or so years, which took the decisions out of the hands of the field officers and gave it solely to the Secretary of Defense (you know who). Ruppert suggests that confusion was sewn to blind commanders who might be anticipated to send fighters into the sky and seek approval after the fact. This, in fact, did happen.

So, an actual order to "stand down" wasn't necessary because:

Most fighter units were committed, some to Alaska and Northern Canada, to wargames;

On June 1, Donald Rumsfeld took upon himself sole authority to authorize a shootdown;

The skies were to confused with real and simulated hijackings, thwarting any fighter pilot who might take authority for himself.


PATRICK
That in itself


would be a massive embarrassment which would trigger a reflexive cover up. Also, under scrutiny who would believe such a coincidence. Either they are hoisted on the petard of their own secrecy policy or scrutiny makes people howl and investigate various deeper problems.

In the end, however, Bushco has not been held to account for anything at all.

Now to whether this was a "coincidence". I doubt it very much. I would very very much like to pin down who and how this whole game was authorized and planned, the very top, the ones whose Intel or suggestions in regards to date and scope put all this in motion.

One's darkest suspicions that groundwork was laid to enable the Al Qaeda stooges to succeed are simply growing with each reluctant tidbit pried loose. It looks more credible because none of the game participants who otherwise also look suspicious and strange that day need to have known anything at all about the real possibility of an attack on 911.

For my money(not a theory or declaration, just a bet) I think the high inner circle of Bushco knew date, means and targets pretty accurately.

Were there any other dates when a paralyzing scramble panic was induced because Bushco thought terrorists might strike? They need not always be sure of an attack, only the wonderful possibilities if a threat succeeded. Ugly, ugly, but I grant them no virtue they have never demonstrated. Too bad Powell, with a devious imagination of his own can't connect some dots to the inner circle and realize the horror.


Q

The problem with not trusting someone...

...is that you can't believe anything they say. The RWingers didn't trust Clinton because they hated him and he received a BJ. America doesn't trust Bush*&Gang because they've been CAUGHT in so many lies that no one EXPECTS them to tell the truth. RWingers have excused these lies and deceptions as necessary in a 'time of war'. That the Bushies lied their asses off BEFORE a time of war doesn't seem to bother the Bush* Faithful.

- There are conspiracy theories and coincidence theories. Is it a coincidence that so many things fell into place FOR THE HIJACKERS on that day? Not just one or two coincidences...but a whole string of them 'prevented' the Bush* government from detecting or impeding the hijacked airliners AND finding those who planned it afterwards.

- But if there's one thing the Bushies know from experience...it's that Americans have very short attention spans and can be manipulated to believe anything. The bushies have a public relations team to die for...along with dozens of talking head pundits that will keep the 'plausible deniability' gambit going for as long as it takes. When that fails...they can always fall back on 'national security' to hide their trail of complicity and corruption in the highest levels of government.


w13rd0

So let's review...

...if the Bush WH, knowingly or unknowingly, were passing information to organizers and financiers of terrorists, would there be a better morning, a more opportune time, to stage the attack?

Remember: "The match is lit, the wedding begins tomorrow"

What wedding? A match as in a flame? Or a match as in a contest/test?

Who knows? Not as if I anticipate any truth emerging from the 9-11 Whitewash Commission (that Bush wanted to appoint Kissinger to chair, you know, Kissinger, recently revealed to positively be a key player in the overthrow of democracies and authorizer of assassinations)...


teryang
This was the tactical cover and deception plan


...undertaken to insure the success of the attacks.

teryang

I should add the caveat that


...this is an anecdotal post concerning Ruppert's report at this stage. Who knows what may come of it.

However, I am willing to base my opinion on just one such government exercise taking place on 911 and being reported in the mainstream press, to which the poster above has provided a link.

As an old tactical intelligence hand once said, one is provided with shards, don't expect the entire pot. Others, may however accept that one such reported exercise is a "coincidence." I don't. Particularly in light of the fact of the many misrepresentations have poured out of the government attempting to obscure the fact that attacks on buildings by hijacked aircraft were specifically anticipated by the CIA and the Pentagon, and that this has been corroborated. Why bother lying about it on such an extensive scale?


DoYouEverWonder

Here's one of the flies in the ointment

"With many fighters already committed to other war games, the number remaining to respond to a threat were outnumbered by the number of apparently hijacked planes."


Actually, wouldn't the opposite be true? With many fighters already committed to war games, that means they were already up in the air. They may or may not have been armed but there were alot of military jets flying that morning.

Now, add in all the other fighters flying that morning, that were just out doing regular practice. I remember reading a statement by Gen. Myers saying there were a lot of fighters in the air practicing up and down the East Coast, because it was such a beautiful and clear morning. It was a perfect day for flying.

My point is, that there was no need to wait for fighters to be scrambled from Andrews or Otis or anywhere else, because if we had a CIC who wasn't too busy to bother, he could have order any or all of the fighters already up in the air, to chase down most of the planes that were off course.

One thing is for sure, there is no good reason why Flight 77, that hit the Pentagon, was not intercepted. And if SOP had been followed, it is very likely that WTC 2 could have been spared as well. Yet the gov wants us to believe, that they couldn't even get a visual on any of these planes? Give me a break.


Minstrel Boy

some of the war games, notably Northern Vigilance, which was staged in Northern Canada and Alaska, pulled fighters away from the North Eastern seaboard. So the war games might have had more planes up than usual, but they were out of position. The remaining scramble-ready fighters were outnumbered by suspected hijacked aircraft.


DoYouEverWonder . How fast do these fighters fly?


Even with one game out over Alaska, there were still plenty of planes flying on the East Coast. Especially since the CIA operation was practicing on the East Coast for an attack on the DC area.

Even if the fighters were scattered all over the country, how long does it take for one flying at top speed to travel 500 - 3000 miles? Assuming that the closest fighters already in the air were within the 500 miles and the furthest being out on the west coast or about 3000 miles away? I would guess that even within the 500 mile radius there would have been enough planes in the air to intercept most of the planes that went off course.


Media_Lies_Daily

Top speed is 1400 to 1500 mph. None of the four planes dispatched....


...on the morning of 911 exceeded 640 mph. Additionally, those four planes were not notified by NORAD to scramble until a minimum of 30-35 minutes had passed from the first realization by the FAA air traffic controllers that hijackers had control of the first airliner.

Regardless of whether or not the FAA was late in making the notification to NORAD, or if NORAD was late in getting the planes into the air, those 30-35 minutes are difficult to understand.

Add to the situation on 911 the following facts:

*Two of the planes were dispatched from Otis Air National Guard Base south of Boston, about 130 miles east of New York City;

*Two additional planes were dispatched from Langley Air Force Base south of Hampton, VA, about 130 miles SSE of Washington, DC.

*There was an eight-mile trail of debris, including an engine, leading to the impact crater of Flight 93 in the Pennsylvania countryside. Nowhere in the "official" report on Flight 93 is anything mentioned about an onboard explosion that would have created that trail of debris...but there are eyewitnesses on the ground who saw the plane flying overhead trailing fire from the fuselage before it impacted. Was another intercepter dispatched from a Midwestern air base with orders to shoot down Flight 93? How better to cover for that event than by instantly creating the mythology of an heroic passenger revolt leading to the plane crashing and thereby saving Washington, DC, from another hijacked airliner impact?


Old and In the Way

This is interesting.


"the Pentagon, under the auspices of the Joint Chiefs, was running a live-fly exercise of a response to multiple hijackings."

But the JCS was heading to Europe that day and acting JCS Meyers was in Max Cleland's office all morning?

Minstrel Boy

Given what else we know, such as Pentagon brass cancelling


their commercial flights for Sept 11, the surveillance of the hijackers and ECHELON's eavesdropping of bin Laden and others (including a phone conversation between "mastermind" Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Mohammed Atta which gave the final go ahead), and the very specific, high-level warnings we know the White House received which, when compiled, point to a massive attack using aircraft as weapons in early September, I'm saying the date for the wargames was chosen because senior military figures KNEW when the hijackings were to take place.


teryang

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/2002-08-22/usw_plane.asp

Agency Was to Crash Plane on 9/11
By JOHN J. LUMPKIN
Associated Press Writer

<WASHINGTON (AP) — In what the government describes as a bizarre coincidence, one U.S. intelligence agency was planning an exercise last Sept. 11 in which an errant aircraft would crash into one of its buildings. But the cause wasn't terrorism — it was to be a simulated accident.

Officials at the Chantilly, Va.-based National Reconnaissance Office had scheduled an exercise that morning in which a small corporate jet would crash into one of the four towers at the agency's headquarters building after experiencing a mechanical failure. >

http://www.politrix.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=712

<War On Error: US Army crashed a plane into the Pentagon in 2000
Posted on Friday, April 02 @ 18:51:56 EST
Topic: AmeriCONNED
Washington, D.C., — The fire and smoke from the downed passenger aircraft billows from the Pentagon courtyard. Defense Protective Services Police seal the crash sight. Army medics, nurses and doctors scramble to organize aid. An Arlington Fire Department chief dispatches his equipment to the affected areas. Don Abbott, of Command Emergency Response Training, walks over to the Pentagon and extinguishes the flames. The Pentagon was a model and the "plane crash" was a simulated one. The Pentagon Mass Casualty Exercise, as the crash was called, was just one of several scenarios that emergency response teams were exposed to Oct. 24-26 in the Office of the Secretaries of Defense conference room. >



Here's an excerpt that was apparently removed from an Aviation Week website.

<"Part of the exercise?" the colonel wondered. No; this is a real-world event, he was told. Several days into a semiannual exercise known as Vigilant Guardian, NEADS was fully staffed, its key officers and enlisted supervisors already manning the operations center "battle cab." >


http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=3...

On edit: here's the Aviation Week version of the impact of the exercise:

http://www.aviationnow.com/content/publication/awst/20020603/avi_stor....


Here is an even weirder coincidence:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/0514_coincidence.html

<Barbara Honegger, who worked in the White House under Reagan, points out another coincidence. Rsearching press reports, she found a 9/16/01 Washington Post story about the pilot of AA flight 77 that, on the morning of 9/11, was said to have crashed into the Pentagon.

The pilot, Charles Burlingame, an ex- F4 Navy flyer, had, as his last Navy mission, helped craft Pentagon response plans in the event of a commercial ariliner hitting the Pentagon.

Pilot drafts plan for response to Pentagon hit. Pilot winds up on plane that hits Pentagon.

Honegger states that Dick Cheney was ultimately in charge of the NRO exercise on the morning of 9/11. He was in the White House Situation Room for that purpose.>

On edit: Cheney's actions per Mineta:

http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pen11.html

<The testimony of Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta on May 23 about Cheney's actions is revealing. Mineta said he arrived at the Presidential Emergency Operating Center (PEOC) at 9:20 a.m. where he observed the Vice President taking charge:

Mineta: There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out.The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And.

Hamilton: The flight you're referring to is the.

Mineta: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

After some discussion of whether Cheney's orders meant to shoot down the hijacked aircraft, it was clearly stated on the record that there were no such orders to do so, which raises the obvious question of what "the orders" were:

Hamilton: And so there was no specific order there to shoot that plane down.

Mineta: No, sir.

Hamilton: But there were military planes in the air in position to shoot down commercial aircraft.

Mineta: That's right. The planes had been scrambled, I believe, from Otis at that point...>

rmpalmer

Richard Clarke in his book confirms Vigilant Warrior on 9-11


was going on 9-11, but makes no mention of what the exercise was. Page 5 in the Situation Room on 9-11 in teleconference with Gen Myers.

(Clarke) I turned to the Pentagon screen. "JCS, JCS. I assume NORAD has scrambled fighters and AWACS. How many? Where?"

"Not a pretty picture, Dick." Dick Myers, himself a fighter pilot, knew that the days when we had scores of fighters on strip alert had ended with the Cold War. "We are in the middle of Vigilant Warrior, a NORAD exercise, but...Otis has launced two birds toward NY. Langley is trying to get two up now. The AWACS are at Tinker and not on alert."

"Okay, how long to CAP over D.C.?"....

"Fast as we can. Fifteen minutes?" Myers asked...It was now 9:28.

Now someone needs to find out exactly what the exercise of Vigilant Warrior was that day and how it played in to why those planes, especially the one in to the Pentagon was not shot down.

Media_Lies_Daily

Take a look at the flight paths of Flights 77 and 93....


...Flight 93 left an eight-mile trail of debris over some pretty open countryside over Pennsylvania before it impacted. IMHO, that plane was shot down, otherwise one is left with a lot of questions as to why a perfectly fine airplane would suddenly start to shed parts, including an engine, before it finally hit the ground. The official story on Flight 93 doed NOT include an onboard explosion, but eyewitnesses on the ground saw flames trailing from the fuselage as it flew overhead.

Take a good look at the flight path of Flight 77. How many places could 77 have been shot down and NOT hit a populated area?


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In fact, ALL FOUR PLANES, HAD THE INTERCEPTORS BEEN DISPATCHED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, COULD/SHOULD HAVE BEEN INTERCEPTED AND SHOT DOWN BEFORE THEY EVER REACHED A MAJOR POPULATION CENTER.

Sic Semper Tyrannis: Ever thus to tyrants.


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Press release on Northern Vigilance

http://www.norad.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.news_rel_09_09_01

September 9, 2001

NORAD Maintains Northern Vigilance

Contact: [phone]

CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN AFS, Colo. – The North American Aerospace Defense Command shall deploy fighter aircraft as necessary to Forward Operating Locations (FOLS) in Alaska and Northern Canada to monitor a Russian air force exercise in the Russian arctic and North Pacific ocean.

“NORAD is the eyes and ears of North America and it is our mission to ensure that our air sovereignty is maintained,” said Lieutenant-General Ken Pennie, Deputy Commander-in-Chief of NORAD. “Although it is highly unlikely that Russian aircraft would purposely violate Canadian or American airspace, our mission of vigilance must be sustained.”

NORAD-allocated forces will remain in place until the end of the Russian exercise.

NORAD conducted operation Northern Denial from December 1 to 14, 2000 in response to a similar, but smaller scale, Russian deployment of long-range bombers at northern Russian air bases. NORAD-allocated forces were deployed to three FOLS, two in Alaska and one in Canada. More than 350 American and Canadian military men and women were in involved in the deployment.

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First I've heard of that, isn't that something. Anyone know about those Russian exercises? Are they routine and routinely reponded


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10. What I can't figure out is why Zubaydah was captured unless the

head of the Octupus didn't know what one of the tenacles was doing. We need to find out what circles these three Princes moved in and what has happened to their "friends" if anything.

That all three of them died within a week of each other is simply beyond coincidence. I wonder if they were going to be interviewed by "non-aligned" elements of the intelligence community?

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8. the royal deaths are on public record--a thinking person can draw

their own conclusions about the extremely odd "coincidence."

Where is Zubayduh? (paging Pilger!)