Nightline..."The Fallen,: .......Holy Christ.

[MnFats]

Koppel reads more names.Moving, but infuriating.
This war is a monstrous tragedy.
God but I hate this fucking war.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

1. thats the afghan front, if im not mistaken

imo, not a stupid war.

[xxqqqzme]

2. any war is stupid

Afghan was stooopid cuz it is the civilian population being punished 4 the RW religious fanatics operating in their country.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

4. i guess that's just where we disagree

if you think it irrational to wage war after a Sept11th scenario then its logical to move to a position where you think that war is always stupid. I suppose we should have just politely asked the RW religious fanatics to stop it, instead. And if they didnt, and we lost another 3000 people, we could always tell them pretty please? And if another 3000 were lost we could maybe put a cherry on top.

[Cheswick2.0]

5. Afghanistan didn't attack us

Terrorists did. We simply bombed a lot of innocent people into rubble and the taliban is still there and the people are still suffering. So yes, it was a very stupid war.

[HuskerDem]

6. It was stupidly executed, that's for sure...............

Going into Afghanistan was not stupid. That's where Osama effin Bin Laden was and frickin' AlQuaeda.

Even worse than our behavior in attacking the COUNTRY of Afghanistan is our empty promises and total abandonment afterwords. Oh, except for the pockets of military we have left there with targets on their backs.

All war is not stupid. Sometimes you have to fight back. But people who star wars............ that's another story. Mostly that's just stupid. And that would be us this go around, wouldn't it.

[Jade Fox]

7. Excellent. Thank you

[tabasco]

9. I agree - just cause in Afghanistan but not Iraq.

The execution of the Afghanistan invasion is beyond stupidity. It was intentional when the neocons held back forces that rightly should have been dedicated to Afghanistan. They were intent on a wrongful invasion of Iraq. In Afghanistan, the neocons utilized massive bombing that accomplished more bad than good. We simply did not dedicate sufficient ground forces in Afghanistan and had to rely on warlords and the Pakistanis. Result: Mission still not accomplished in either Afghanistan or Iraq. The neocon cabal is not simply stupid. They have evil intent and should be punished when they no longer control our government.

[PsychoDad]

16. That's where Osama effin Bin Laden was and frickin' AlQuaeda

The invasion and occupation solved those problems didn't it?

No? Oops, my bad. What the hell, we got to snuff some kids anyway and put in an oil pipline. Hope that vailidates the deaths for you, meanwhile the crusade is still on and Osamma is nowhere to be found as Al Quida continues to grow.

Our troops probably even had the added pleasure of sodomizing some innocent Afghanis, just to let off steam.

Point is 9/11 was a criminal act, and should have been prosicuted as one. Now our crimes as a nation far exceed in scale and barbarity the 3000 lost in the distruction of the WTC.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

11. using that rationale

we can never retaliate for a terrorist attack, because terrorists are never representative of a country.

[0rganism]

14. Perhaps retaliation is NOT the best way to handle terrorist attacks?

Rather than using a terrorist attack on our country as a justification for carpet bombing a pathetic 3rd world nation, our government could have found another way to handle the situation. If retaliation were an effective solution to terrorism, then Israel would have had the whole Palestine thing sorted out twenty years ago.

[TankLV]

18. Bingo! You FINALLY get it!

But I doubt it.

If only you could see the truth in what you said, even tho you meant it as ridicule.

People, stop and read what was posted.

THAT is the crux of these problems.

[MnFats]

3. right you are, now that you mention it.

I was trying to balance the program and the demands of several kids.
But I do recall Pat Tillman being in there.
Still.....the names, with the backdrop of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier....breaks my heart.

[Disturbed]

8. It sure would be great if....

people read history about a place before they started babeling or typing.

Afghanistan is a country that could be rich because it has natural underground gas. Also, a pipleline to India has been proposed for many years which would also bring money to Afghanistan. The Taliban were at W's pig farm a few days before 911 Attack negotiating this. Before that Powell delivered $43 Million to the Taliban to in the Admin's spin encourage poppy growers to plant something else. The Taliban refused the pipline deal and to give up Osama's whereabouts. The US could have avoided fighting the Taliban and just went after Al Q. but they didn't. The US could have avoided Iraq and focused soley of Al Q, but they didn't. Guess why.

[tabasco]

10. Oh thank you, oh wise one, for blessing us with your wisdom.

- Your knowledge of history is unmatched here at DU, and those who disagree with your version of history are merely ignorant babblers!
- I'm sure we could have arranged a deal with those swell guys in the Taliban and Afghanistan would be a thriving utopia by now. The Taliban, the most extreme Islamic fundamentalist regime in history, would have swiftly handed over Bin laden and all other Muslim heroes we wanted extradited. My bad, oh wise one!

[Cronus Protagonist]

13. Were you born this way?

Or did you learn it from Rush?

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[tabasco]

17. Rush likes to insult those who disagree with him.

That seems to be your specialty, friend.

[Cronus Protagonist]

12. I'm glad somone remebered the truth about Afghanistan

That was just "phase 1" of the BFEE's plan. PNAC lays out the rest. It never had anything at all to do with 9/11 - we haven't caught the perpetrators because Bush doesn't care to, never tried to, and doesn't want to. It's ALL about the oil.

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[LWolf]

15. I didn't see it.

But yesterday I read a simple picture book..."The Wall" to my 5th and 6th graders. I had a hard time getting through it; they knew I was fighting tears and started out smirking and poking each other. By the end, some were teary and the rest were aghast. There was a profound moment of spontaneous silence. That was only for one war fought before they were born. They listed other wars, and I mentioned the 800+ people that have died in the last year. There was a profound moment of spontaneous silence. And then one of the 6th grade boys wanted to discuss the possibility of a draft.

It's easy to think of casualties as numbers. Harder when you realize that each and every name was a real person, with a real family, and real hopes and dreams.