183 men & boys dragged from homes ..killed in front of families..

[SoCalDem]

in Kansas


TERRORISM IS NOT NEW....OR "MIDDLE-EASTERN"




......... he led a force of 450 raiders into ....... .....the home of Senator James H. Lane,.........

snip...

. Lane managed to escape, racing through a cornfield in his nightshirt, but.......and his men killed 183 men and boys, dragging some from their homes to murder them in front of their families, and set the torch to much of the city.

more @ Terrorism

[bluestateguy]

1. Quantrill was a real bastard

but Sherman's troops in the South were not a whole lot better.

[SoCalDem]

2. The middle east has no monopoly on terror.. We have had it too

It's a TECHNIQUE....and that's all.. Every civilization has used it..

[noiretextatique]

3. Racial Terrorism is as American as apple pie

For example, Tulsa, 1921:

http://rwor.org/a/v21/1040-049/1043/tulsa.htm
On May 30, 1921, a rumor swept through the booming western oil town of Tulsa, Oklahoma that a young Black man had insulted a white woman in a downtown elevator.

According to the white supremacist rules of U.S. society, the accused man faced an immediate death sentence. Since the turn of the century, many hundreds of Black men in the U.S. had been brutally lynched and mutilated by vigilante gangs--without trial or investigation--often for accusations of "affronting white womanhood."

But this time, in Tulsa, it was different. This time there was resistance. Organized militant forces in the Black community stepped forward to defend Dick Rowland.

All the hateful forces of white supremacy in the area responded to that resistance with two feverish days of murder and fire. The dead of Tulsa's Black community lay stacked in piles. And the central Black business district of North Tulsa was totally burned out.

Tulsa 1921 is a story of brutal "ethnic cleansing" and genocide. This was the largest "civil disturbance" since the Civil War and the anti-Indian wars of the 1800s. It is a story that has been systematically censored by the system--despite the repeated efforts of the Black press, revolutionary forces and progressive historians to bring the facts to light.

http://rwor.org/a/v21/1040-049/1043/tulsa.htm

[SoCalDem]

4. I saw a documentary about this event LAST YEAR..

until that time, I had NO KNOWLEDGE of it.. I was ashamed that I did not know.. We were taught NOTHING about the injustices that happened to the Native Americans or ANY of the minorities in America.. With what we were taught, one would think that the Native Americans just LOVED us, and just "disappeared"...The Chinese laborers were all just happy-go-lucky people like Hop Sing on Bonanza...and that black people were thankful to be here...No one ever taught us about the Japanese internment..

Our history was sanitized..:(

[Nlighten1]

17. "A People's History of the US"

by Howard Zinn.

Check it out sometime.

[SoCalDem]

19. As an adult, I know about the book, but kids are never taught

"real history" in school.. Sure..they learn how mean the visigoths and huns were, but when it comes to their own country, they only get the "rah-rah..we saved the world" stuff.. Is it any wonder that so many people don't know much about what happened..

As a kid in Kansas, we did read about Quantrill, but I would guess that most people outside of Kansas, have never heard of him.

[noonwitch]

18. I read a book called "Farewell to Manzanar" as a kid, about the japanese

internment during WWII. It was written by a woman who was a kid at the time, and sent to Manzanar with her family. It was outrageous the things that happened, but she is fair in her book and describes how conditions improved as the time went on, that the people interned did build communities in the camps and that the restrictions were slowly lifted over time. Her older brother served in the army and was sent with the occupying troops to Japan after the war and she describes his experience meeting relatives there.

Her family was targeted because her father was a fisherman. She described his interrogation by the INS. They kept asking him who he wanted to win the war and his answer was "When your mother and father are fighting, do you want them to kill each other, or do you just want them to stop fighting?".

I wish I still had the book, because I don't remember the author's name. I do remember that I ordered it from the Scholastic Book club that we ordered through school.

[dmr]

20. It's available from Amazon, noonwitch

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553272586/104-6595289-2039956?v=glance

From the publisher:
Jeanne Wakatsuki was seven years old in 1942 when her family was uprooted from their home and sent to live at Manzanar internment camp--with 10,000 other Japanese Americans. Along with searchlight towers and armed guards, Manzanar ludicrously featured cheerleaders, Boy Scouts, sock hops, baton twirling lessons and a dance band called The Jive Bombers who would play any popular song except the nation's #1 hit: "Don't Fence Me In."

I've put it in my shopping cart for my son and me to read this summer. Thank you for telling us about it.

[CulturalNomad]

5. pretty well censored - i'd never heard it but believe it completely

[plcdude]

6. O yes

it was real and still is a very sensitive issue here in Oklahoma.

[SoCalDem]

8. Are school kids taught about it??

Or do they have to find out accidentally??

[JohnOneillsMemory]

7. Lynching photo postcard museum. I'm not kidding. Souvenirs.

http://www.musarium.com/withoutsanctuary/main.html
(Lynching Photography in America)

Postcard were made from photos of lynching as souvenirs. These are mostly from 1900-1925. A few from the 1870s and 1930s, one from 1960.
Over 70 of them. Lots from Oklahoma and the south, one from Duluth,MN.

Terrorism was/is the main social force in the USA since Plymouth Rock. Just ask folks who aren't WASPs.

It's as American as (bad)apple pie and baseball (bats).

[noiretextatique]

9. i posted a thread about "without sanctuary"

for black history month last year. yeah...postcards :puke:
some lynchings were like picnics...fun for the whole family :puke:
you have to wonder about a culture that made killing people a family event :puke:

[SoCalDem]

10. And to think that it happened less than 100 yrs ago..

We pooh-pooh the "feuds" in other parts of the world that go back hundreds of years, and yet we have some ugly stuff (terrorism, in fact) in our oWN history...and recently..

We have no room to judge others..:(

[noiretextatique]

11. so true, socaldem

but as you know...we are so vested in hiding the truth, we keep our people ignorant of our own history. it explains a lot about the "america is so pure and right" attitude, doesn't it? if you have no idea of the atrocities that went on (and go on) in your own country, it's easy to believe the whitewashed image of bush, inc invading iraq for "freedom." :puke:
i took some black history courses in college, and i still didn't hear about tulsa until the 1990's :shrug:

[JohnOneillsMemory]

15. Socially, the Afghan/Iraq war was a post-9/11 lynching. Sex was involved.

A thousand brown people rounded up, detained, beaten and tortured in the US for revenge over death of white people.

Two countries of mainly children bombed, tortured, and poisened as if it was an Oklahoma race riot.

Very strong connection to American slavery and lynching for 'sex crimes.'

Look at the made up Jessica Lynch rescue which was an attempt to use the old frontier propaganda about 'saving our white women from the savages' or 'saving them from the over-sexed coons.'

When it became public that the Iraqis had saved her life and tried to return her in an ambulance (which US forces shot at), then a rumor of her being raped was floated to try to get outrage over those kind and gentle yet DARKER HANDS being on her helpless body. This was a false rumor yet some of the Iraqi prisoner 'abuse' was said by the 'abusers' to be revenge for the 'rape' of Jessica Lynch! Mission accomplished indeed...

[Karenina]

16. What you said!!!

!!!

[DrWeird]

12. Modern estimates of the death toll in the Tulsa riot...

are up to about 3,000 dead. And it was the first recorded instance of aerial bombardment of a civilian population.

[cosmicdot]

13. heck, corporate america terrorized me

and, now, I'm on disability ...

tyranny is alive and well in corporate america

fear is a threat, not motivation

[BlueStateGirl]

14. Terror and barbarism have always been a part of the human condition.

It's not an American, Islamic, African, Asian or European condition. History has shown it to be a human condition.


I used to believe that the human race could evolve beyond it, but now I'm not so sure. It seems like we will always find a reason to fight, to hate, to hurt.

Like Einstain said " As long as there are men, there will be war."

[Hammie]

21. What is your point?