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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:38 PM
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IRS fails to convince court that income taxes are mandatory
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/08/10/ar_IRS_vs._KUGLIN.htm



Forget the war in Iraq, Afghanistan and our excellent adventure in Liberia. Forget about Kobe, Arnold, Arriana, Scott and Laci. The biggest news of the entire week is that on August 8, 2003, the IRS was unable to convince a jury in Memphis, Tennessee that the Federal Tax Code requires the citizens to pay individual income taxes.



unsurprisingly, not in the mainstream media. any thoughts? :D
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:41 PM
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1. of course it deserves discussion ...i'm sure tweety will be all over
this....oops...wishful thinking.

I actually think the merits of this case are quite fascinating. Why is it that the IRS has trouble prosecuting this case..?

This can't mean that we don't pay taxes...so what does this mean?
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Superfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:45 PM
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2. I keep on seeing the DC license plates
"taxation without representation"

Why, on God's green earth are they paying taxes if they have no voice?

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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:47 PM
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3. I challenge you...
to find the law that requires an individual to pay income tax.

But remember...you have to find cases to back the assertion up.

Go here www.givemeliberty.org Read and learn.
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LifeDuringWartime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:52 PM
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4. good link :)
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:57 PM
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7. I accept
Besides the 16th Amemdment to the Constitution?







In 1913, the Sixteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified.  It empowered Congress to tax "incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."   The Internal Revenue Code is today embodied as Title 26 of the United States Code (26 U.S.C.) and is a lineal descendant of the income tax act passed in 1913, following ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment.
 
While some states do not have an income tax (Nevada), all residents and all citizens of the United States are subject to the federal income tax.  Not everyone, however, must file a return.  The requirements for filing are found in 26 U.S.C. 6011.  As the largest contributor, its purpose is to generate revenue for the federal budget.  In 1985 for example, the government collected over $450 billion in income tax from a total of $742 billion in total internal revenue receipts.  The funds collected are essential for the shaping and preservation of a free market economy.

Some terms are essential in understanding income tax law.  "Gross income" can be generaly defined as "all income from whatever source derived;" a more complete definition is found in 26 U.S.C. 61.  Other important definitions like "taxable income" and "adjusted gross income" can also be found in Chapter I of Title 26.  These terms are not fixed nor should anyone be confident in understanding their true meaning after a cursory reading because their imputed definitions change with time.  The Supreme Court, through case law, demonstrates the changing meaning of taxable income.

Individuals are not the only ones required to file income tax returns. Corporations do as well.   While they are subject to may of the same rles as are individual taxpayers, they are also covered by an intricate body of rules addressed to the peculiar problems of corporations.
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 11:04 PM
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10. They have a voice
It's called Congress. It represents all of the people of the United States, not just any one jurisdiction.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:53 PM
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5. Constitutional Amendment plus Court cases - no chance on appeal
Fun Jury result -

but the law is a settled matter

you file or you go to prison

you do not pay and assets are taken by IRS.

The IRS is illegal sites are fun - indeed there are many such sites - but the real world facts are you get away with not paying only until IRS focuses on you.

But good luck to anyone who wants to enter the lottery of "how long will the IRS not catch me".
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:59 PM
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9. on appeal?
when the Govt loses they can't appeal because of double jeopardy. However they will charge him again next year whe he does the same....
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 08:57 PM
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6. Newsflash: Tennesee jury finds that humans did not evolve from apes
(need I say more?)
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dofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-11-03 09:41 PM
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8. I rather expect that on appeal
the IRS will win. They always have before.

Recently I met someone who has not paid taxes for about the past 20 years, and as she was saying that I was thinking, How does she get away with it? She answered my unspoken question by saying that if you're going to be a tax protestor you have to be prepared to own NOTHING. And apparently that's how she lives, basically on the kindness of friends and strangers.

This is someone very active in the antiwar movement, has been to Iraq, and so on, and will not pay taxes to support the military industrial complex, but spends her energy trying to make the world a better place.

Few of us could live like that.

What I'm considering is figuring out how to get all of my income from tax exempt municipal bonds.
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