I just took at a first look at freerepublic.com, oh my god!

[frogczar]

I just went over to that infamous website and took a look through it and at the posts and replies people were making. I'm amazed that people are that awful. Who are these people and how do they become so unbelievably misguided? How can someone think like they do and be a human being?

Any ideas?

[shraby]

1. The dregs of the dregs. n/t

[Alerter_]

10. FR is nothing but bigots and Likudniks now

Even the right-wing Christians have generally gone. There is more pro-Israel rah-rah than pro-American rah-rah. All the old time conservatives got kicked off of FR when Bush got in.

Has anyone noticed? The post count on FR is nothing compared to what it was 3 years ago. FR is over. DU is where politically active people post now.

[leftyandproud]

22. They think the EXACT same thing of us

two different mindsets...two different visions of how the world works...it will never change.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

2. If you seriously think THEY'RE bad...

Then whatever you do, don't go to Lucianne.com.
Evil exists there.

[Momgonepostal]

15. LOL...I just went there...

scary and funny!

In response to this: "President Bush asked fellow Republicans on Capitol Hill on Thursday to "keep the faith" as he sought to ease their jitters about Iraq and his lowest approval ratings ever."

Someone said: "I'm kepping it Mr. President. I know you have the controls. I feel safe, and know that God will carry you on to victory in November. "

And: "Ha ha ha, just heard on CNN news, via Rush, that President Bush said he will not touch our Oil Reserve, because that would be playing into the terrorists hands, well, take that you deeeemonkRATS, that have been calling for him to open the Oil Reserve up. Guess he calls them as he sees them, huh??? Terrorists in our own deeemonkRATIC Congress, and wannabes!!!"

Pluh-LEEZS!

Now we know who's been writing all the whack-o mail that shows up in The Hate Mailbag. :-)

[Straight Shooter]

3. Well, yes, they are human. They just don't act humanely.

n/t

[JuniorPlankton]

4. The most amazing thing is

that the think exactly the same about us.

[redqueen]

16. Only clouded thinking - how many threats of violence do you see here?

They are seriously lacking in the logic and critical thinking departments.

[tom_paine]

21. As the Nazis thought of the Jews

It's a very old story we're talking about here, going back WAY past WWII and the Bush Business Partners of THAT Day (yes, Prescott Bush was "Hitler's Angel").

And exactly WHAT evil did the Nazi ascribe to the Jews at that time?

Why...THEIR OWN NAZI EVIL...projected out to their enemies.

Just like the Freepers today.

Who is wrong...the Nazi, or the Jew who fianlly decides to hate these monsters back?

[Bertha Venation]

5. I've been reading a collection of autobiographies of slaves

and the parallels between slavemasters and those who post at Free Republic are astounding. No joke.

[cestmoi]

30. U got it wrong. They are sexual submissives who want to be slaves.

Although immoral and utterly contemptible, slave-owners are rational in so far as they pursue a course that materially benifits them. Unless freepers are in the top 5% of the population their support of the Shrub Cartel is irrational.

They don't want to be masters they want to be slaves. They want to please those who they percieve as powerful. Their slavish devotion is totaly irrational. They are acting out a perverse need to be shit on and play the mashocistic role which is feeling grateful for being a toilet.

[Bertha Venation]

33. please don't address me as "U"

and I disagree with your theory.

[I_like_chicken]

49. I partially agree

I wouldn't necessarily agree with your wording,but I def. think theres some major psychopatholgy going on there.

[Jacobin]

6. reminds me of turning over a rock in a forest

the strange creatures that crawl out when the light hits them is something to see.

Might want to hose down your computer, though.

:-)

[proud patriot]

7. That was my first impression too

I remember thinking to myself : "there are people
like that in America????" :crazy:

I felt I did some sort of time warp back to
bigatry and racism ....I was kind of sheltered
from that sort of stuff .

freepers are a disgrace to America IMHO

[Egalitarian Zetetic]

9. No they are pretty much the majority...

if not flat out, then by default (18+, vote,vocal) because i suspect that the 100 million people who don't vote may have liberal leanings. Anyone against Gay Marriage and a rabiod supporter of the war and a social conservative is a freeper to me.

[redqueen]

20. Oh no they're not

Lies... Gore won, even though most liberals don't vote (thanks Clinton!)

The idea that they're the majority is complete fiction.

[Egalitarian Zetetic]

8. Check out thier sister sites...

http://www.hardcoretalk.com/


www.stormfront.org

[Beetwasher]

11. That Mindset Is Usually The Result of Childhood Abuse

I suspect most if not all of them were abused physically, mentally and/or sexually as children.

[Bertha Venation]

13. Are you serious?

[Beetwasher]

14. Yes

Abused children often (more often than not) identify with and excuse their abusers and often end up as abusers themselves.

[Bertha Venation]

19. And often, we don't.

And often, abusers are liberals.

:shrug:

[Beetwasher]

23. That's Why I Said Often

and not always...

There's been a lot of research done in this area and data that backs up my assertions. I would suggest reading some of the work of Alice Miller if you're interested.

I didn't mean to offend or slam anyone, but just make an observational comment based on clinical evidence and data that I've seen.

Lot's of abused children grow up to be well adjusted adults. Lot's more don't and a lot depend on the definition of "well adjusted" of course. Parents who were abused are more likely to abuse their children than parents who weren't abused. There are abusers across all political spectrums, however, the conservative mindset is more prone to child rearing methods that include negative physical components (spanking, slapping, beating with a belt), whereas a liberal mindset is more prone to use more "evolved" child rearing methods (peaceful conflict resolution, communication, positive enforcement).

[Bertha Venation]

26. my knee jerks when I get hints of generalization

I really took no offense. I realize I have a big chip, having come from abusive freeper types and having escaped in all imaginable ways. I'm quick to point out that not everyone is doomed to repeat the patterns. It's hard for me to be calm on the subject.

What makes it worse, I hate generalizations like I hate bigots. Not that you were necessarily generalizing -- it's how I saw your post.

No worries.

I said upthread, I see tremendous parallels between slavemasters -- owners, overseers, poor, non-slave-holding whites in the south, even abolitionists who believed Negros were inferior -- and "compassionate conservatives" and RRWNs of all stripes. It's amazing. Someone could write a thesis on it.

[Beetwasher]

28. You Should be Quite Proud!

It's a difficult cycle to break and you should be proud of the amount of inner strength, wisdom and intelligence that you have that enabled you to break it!

If you're interested in the connection between child rearing and it's effects on politics and history, this site is a good start:

www.psychohistory.com

[Bertha Venation]

56. thank you

Thank you, I appreciate the compliment. I'm proud, but even more, I'm thankful. I am fall-all-over-myself grateful to the fates or the Goddess or whatever little bit of strength did come to me from my 'rents or to whatever it is within me that gave me what I needed to escape. Mostly I'm grateful to Carol, my therapist, who saved me.

Thanks for the site. I'm most definitely interested and will check it out. Thanks, Beet.

[flakey_foont]

12. Heck

just check out any YAHOO message board........ now that is scary!

[Egalitarian Zetetic]

18. yahoo needs to disable it. Its disgusting <nt>

[jayfish]

39. Noooooooo,...

At least on the Yahoo boards there is a debate going on (no matter how disorganized). You can hammer the imbecilic and change minds. I think the Yahoo boards are great. In this age of electronic segregation we need all of the open-debate possible.

Jay

[info being]

43. I know. But...

wasn't the Patriot Act "supposed" to be targeted toward people who openly threaten violence against others? In that case, it could be involved on about 1 in 20 posts.

[jayfish]

47. They Do Need Some Serious Moderation There.

right now it seems that the only thing that will get a post pulled is that "evil" F-word. One time ,I typed a post so good I almost made myself cry.</humor> It had that F-word in it a couple of time though so it never even saw the light of day. Of course I didn't save the text anywhere, so then I really wanted to cry.

Jay

[tom_paine]

17. They are the New Brownshirts. Know them well.

For if things get just a little bit worse and if they are goiven assurances that no investigations or prosecutions will occur

(like the Freeper KKK Lynchers of the 30s and 40s)

then they WILL be going Soviet/Nazi on us.

It is important that you understand that. Now that you've seen their site, you understand.

Just don't be caught like a Jew in 1938 Germany now that you know.

Don;t let your fear of looking straight into the Brownshirt Eye pin you down into action.

Hope for the best.

Prepare for the worst.

You think the Freepers would hesitate for a second to "Abu Ghrahib" us OR worse, if they thought they could get away with it?

I can see you now know the answer to that question.

Prepare yourself mentally and otherwise. If it doesn't turn out like thatthen we all have reason to be happy in our wrongness.

[quispquake]

24. Kind of like going to the alternate universe in Star Trek

where everything is backwards (Spock has a beard, the federation is run, well, sort of like America today). I had that reaction the first, and only time I ever went over there...

[Loonman]

25. They call us RATS

Someone else once referred to another group of people as rats.


..........................Hitler!

[primavera]

27. So what's the solution?

I agree, reading FR is like swimming in raw sewage, but these misguided monsters are sadly our fellow citizens who can be relied upon to go out and vote in very high percentages. I've tried before to talk some sense into freepers, but predictably have made very little headway. Their minds are so clouded with hate, there just seems to be no way to heard over the din of their jackboots. But what promise does that hold for our country? Frankly, the level of polarization in the US worries me greatly, we're gravitating towards such an "us vs them" society, where is this going to end? What can we do as Dems to reduce that open animosity? Is the key education, is that where we should be focussing our efforts? Or is it simply hopeless and we need to resign ourselves to waiting for the freepers, like slave owners, to eventually die out under the weight of history?

[mrgorth]

29. Civil war is coming

yes, it's sad.

[primavera]

37. Too late, the south already won

Did anyone else happen to catch the episode of Michael Moore's old series, The Awful Truth, in which he commemorated the south's final victory over the north? Absolutely priceless and, like all of Michael's work, not without a thought-provoking grain of truth or two to it.

[mrgorth]

31. I'd say they are fascists but they might be worse

some fascists actually incorporate socialism and care for the masses into their ideology. These guys are only definable as freepers. Neo-cons, Sharonistas, social darwinists.

[johnnie]

32. I just had a discussion like this yesterday.

It is just beyond my imagination to think that people can be lacking in basic human rights as these types of people. Most of them have no compassion for human life. A lot of them that I know claim to be God-fearing individuals with a undying love for Christ. (More than an average faith that is) I have been told personally that God said that the people in the Middle East should have been killed back in the day, and we should take care of it now.
It boggles my mind that so many would rather have war than peace if it means they can pay less taxes.(In their minds) There is just no logic to this thought to me.

[neverborn]

34. Here's a post from a similiar site...

Hey Josey, when are we going to do that? I'm all for the idea, but when is it going to happen? I'm getting a little impatient for the badly needed backlash against the stinking commie filth infesting our country and rotting it from within, and would like nothing better than an open season on those fucking oxygen thieves, but when is it going to happen?

[libcurious]

35. They think the same about you

Maybe if neocons and libs would open their eyes and not see the two party paradigm that was created by money, issues and ideas could be discussed in a rational productive way.

[Beetwasher]

36. I've Seen No One on The Left Calling For Open Season for Killing

those on the Right. However, I've often seen those on the Right calling for wholesale slaughter of liberals. If given the chance and permission, many on the right it seems would gleefully oblige.

[redqueen]

38. That's the third comment along those lines -insinuating there is no diff

Sickening and sad.

You're spot on -- you'd be hard pressed to find the kind of advocacy of wanton violence and blind hatred on the left that is so commonplace on the right.

[libcurious]

58. Agree

But it is not "many on the right" as you say. Those that think like that are the neocons and they are in the minority because of their radical views. Unfortunately they have climbed into power using lies that scare the majority of Americans - the center. If people would just spend the time to learn the facts about the issues and where a candidate really stands, then the disinformation generated by the media would not be so effective. But, since most people are lazy like that, I think we are stuck with this paradigm.

[info being]

41. Nice idea. I agree with you.

But if you spend any time on their sites, or on the yahoo message boards for that matter, you know that rational and productive isn't within the realm of possibility. That's precisely the problem.

They want to kill, we don't want them to kill, and they want to kill us for it.

[tom_paine]

55. Hi, Fellow Moderate. Welcome to DU!

:hi: :toast: :toast:

Come on in and have a :beer:

It is as Beetwasher said. Look for threats of violence on FR. I mean direct threats, not even "if you fuck with us we'll..."

There are differences. Definitive differences.

Start with comparing the level and number and frequency of violent threats.

In countless hours on DU, I have only seen a single post which had a murderous fantasy about killing Busheviks randomly (and I immediately chastised that person for a foolish post).

In amazingly opposing contrast, given the VERY SMALL amount of time (now almost nil...I've seen enough that I don't need any more convincing) I've spent on FR, I can't even count the number of murderous fantasies of people wishing that either they themselves or someone could kill liberals at random, or "chomping at the bit" for the day to come when they could start murdering random liberals.

So many of these I've seen, that I cannot give you an accurate number, but to say that it usually doesn't take more than 15 minutes of idle random browsing at FR to find one.

But don't take my words for it. See for yourself and decide for yourself.

And, once again...Welcome to DU.

[Servo300]

40. are their forums restricted to conservatives only?

[info being]

42. No, it is good for all of us to venture out into these forums

periodically. I guarantee your blood pressure will go up, but its an essential experience.

[Servo300]

44. is there a conservative site

similar to DU that bans liberals from posting?

[info being]

45. I don't think so...

that really turned me off about DU when I first came here. I believe in freedom of speech and we don't practice it here.

Then I realized that communities need to set for ground rules. We have created a relatively strong culture here.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

52. wrong

we're not taking away anyone's freedom by not lewtting wingnuts swarm the boards. it's a private site and we have the right to lt who we want in

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

51. yes

contrary to what the old hag says on tv interviews promoting it, every can not post at lucianne.com. i was banned for posting a story from the christian science monitor about the incubator hoax during the first gulf war.

maenwhile, lucy lets the usual ldotter reference to 'ragheads' and 'homos' go on without interruption

[primavera]

48. Is there a moderate conservative forum?

I confess, I keep struggling to understand where these guys are coming from and would love to have a civil conversation with a republican or two, just to hear how they reconcile some of their positions. But FR's too hardcore and extremist to be a very useful yardstick for measuring conservative opinion, I have a hard time believing that they're very representative. At least I certainly hope they aren't. But it's the only conservative forum I know. Are there other more mainstream conservative websites?

[Servo300]

50. I think there are both

genuinely sincere conservatives, and genuinely sincere liberals, who are equally good people and have equally valid reasons for their views.

It would be nice to find somewhere for meaningful discussion, without all the hostilities and name-calling.

You certainly don't find that in the message boards at the end of Yahoo news stories, anyway.

[primavera]

46. Not entirely

You can sign up and post if you want, but FR's a moderated forum and, if your views are perceived as being disruptive, they can and will shut you down. In fairness though, I once posted there and openly admitting to being a liberal, but asked a noninflammatory question in a neutral and polite fashion, genuinely interested to hear how conservatives felt on the issue of income inequality, and the post stayed there for days and got lots and lots of responses. Several were predictably hostile, but many were genuinely responsive.

[9215]

53. A different specie IMHO.

Homo Sapien Assininus.

[9215]

54. Here is another sleepy freepy type site:

http://pub126.ezboard.com/fgroundzerointheculturalwarfrm1

Ignorance seems to be the common denominator.

[Beware the Beast Man]

57. They aren't human beings.

Welcome to DU!!!! :toast: