Going After Bush* = WRONG Target

[matcom]

i have come to the conclusion that we have been targeting the WRONG idiot in the WH all these months.

we should NOT have "gone after" Bush*

we missed our mark. CHENEY should have been the target of the public's wrath.

think about it.

Those Damn Energy Papers NOT being released, probably ignited the Recall Fiasco....

The Energy Papers would probably have Kenny-Boy in JAIL where he (and the rest of them) belong....

CHENEY is the "brains" (if you can call them that) behind the Neo-Con agenda...

Bush* is CHENEY's puppet!

you topple and expose CHENEY, you topple this regime. HE was the one micromanaging the CIA "intelligence"

HE was the one who threatened the intelligence community to "play nice"

IMHO HE was probably the one who let Powell (MADE Powell) lie to the U.N.

would LOVE your thoughts on this

[T Roosevelt]

1. He's obviously the "brains" behind this whole fiasco

* is not smart enough to come up with any of this on his own.

[Parche]

2. dickhead cheney

We need to expose that slime for what he really is

[Beetwasher]

3. Yup. Cheney's the big fish.

Always has been...The Chimp is a mere distraction. All the attention and flak is focused on the Chimp while the Dick slinks around in the shadows making his sleazy deals and doing all the dirty work...

[MuseRider]

4. I think you are correct

he is evil and the brains (Pinky and the Brain?) I'll bet the farm he was the guy who outed Amb Wilsons wife as well. Oh I think there is a whole lot of stuff we could find out if we could get him to talk.

[shance]

5. Agreed

I use the Bush Administration to define anyone in the Administration, but I think when push comes to shove most of it revolves around Cheney. At any rate, why the cave?

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. exactly, it's an ADMINISTRATION

and it's like a cave. The bottom line is they all suck. Guilt by association.

[Francis]

6. Probably not Cheney

Trouble is we look at things with an interest in politics. out there the general public don't much care.
Cheney doesn't appear on the radar screen.
Ergo he doesn't even come into their minds
Rumsfeld is vulnerable, because the war feedback isn't too good and his honeymoon period appears to be ending
I know this may be really really hard for us but most people I speak to make huge allowances for King George and his strangled syntax. In fact I've known some take offense that it should be referred to.
They will however blame those around him.

[nolabels]

17. Most puppet masters don't,

A lot of people have been known this before * got in there. You have to give us a little more credit than that. After all who was the guy that was * campaign person that was supposed to help select * running mate anyway.

What am I sleep walking or something, the trick is getting to the strings. I am sure if somebody figures out a way to do it, there would be a mass rush to the cause. Secret Dick lurks in the lowest spots, way out of site, comes up only for a little air, once in while

[donotpassgo]

7. Bush is the affable doofus of an empty suit

who's idiocy deflects the inner workings of the more insipid scum. Once you pull away the Bush curtain, there would be noting left to hide the crap going on behind it.

[MuseRider]

9. He reminds me

of the bad guy in Nightmare Before Christmas, can't remember the name, but he was just a covering and when he was unraveled all manner of rot and crime came out of him.

[ewagner]

8. Interesting proposition

What I find intriguing about your proposition is that, for whatever reasons, the non-involved public still thinks of Bush as "likeable", while Cheney enjoys no such luxury. From a purely political point of view it would therefore be much easier to go after Cheney. The obvious advantage would be that once one of the Administration is disgraced out of office, the others will follow. In addition, the more of Bush's administration that could be forced from office for their misdoings, the more corrupt the leader (spelled Bush) would appear in the eyes of the public.

Fascinating concept. Maybe the secret is the old "How do you eat a whale?" concept...the answer is : " one bite at a time".

I'm not sure it could be done, but it is an intriguing concept.

[matcom]

11. thanks for that. it "hit" me while discussing CA with my uncle

last night.

would the recall even have come up had the Energy papers been released?

doubt it.

those papers also dealt DIRECTLY with Iraq...

Cheney has been in his "undisclosed location" for far too long. it stinks to me.

Cheney gets indicted.......Bush goes to JAIL

just my .02

thanks :hi:

[Clete]

12. We all knew Cheney and Rummy were chosen, probably by

poppy, as Bush's nannies. I guess the Repuke voters didn't get the memo.

[Cocoa]

13. very true, but there's a catch

Cheney can hide. He doesn't have the same obligation that the puppet does to answer to us, because he's not officially in charge.

[Francis]

15. On another note

We only know the active support for the present administration.
I have several friends with differing views but do not wish to speak out about them at their workplace etc..

[poskonig]

14. Good idea.

Or perhaps we should always refer to them together like we did before 911, e.g. Bush-Cheney did this, Bush-Cheney did that, et cetera.

[Generic Other]

16. I thought they took his batteries out when he's not in use

Yeah, he's the brains for whatever it's worth. So who is he fronting for? That's what I want to know. Who is Itchy Brother Number One?

[ulysses]

18. how about we attack all of them?

Every last mother's child, with intensity.

:nuke:

[tomp]

27. that's the spirit!!!! nt

[PurityOfEssence]

19. No, no, no!!! You HAVE to go after Junior.

As long as he's perceived as "decent" or "honorable" or "caring" or anything like that, everything will rinse right off. It's all dismissable as "bad advice", "a mistaken policy" or "act of god" when something bad happens. He has to be personally shown as a liar who will unscrupulously do anything in his power to feather his own nest and subjugate the commoners.

It has to be shown that he terrorized the American People to ram through a totally unrelated agenda that was sprang from selfishness and greed. He is a tool of the greed-class that spawned him. The character issue is everything.

(Okay, not "everything" everything, but a necessary factor to any successful approach.)

Yes, hammer Dick too, because that rubs off on Junior. Hammer Dick because he's much less liked even by the wingers. Hammer Dick because it shows indirectly what a puppet and abetter of predators our little Junior truly is.

Bush lies about everything.

Here's my approach: he misrepresented himself to get close enough to be able to steal the election, and since then he's been manipulating our fear to steal us blind. The absolute kicker is that their policies SIMPLY DON'T WORK. I use Enron as a classic example to wingers I debate, and it works. Real businesspeople are appalled by the irrationality of unrestrained adventurism. Don't use a communist "it's not nice" argument, use a conservative "it just doesn't work, period" argument. It works.

Don't be scared of it; look all around you: the two recurring themes of ridicule against Junior in the press and media are stupidity and lack of credibility. That latter one is very new, yet it's already gained much purchase. It can easily be built upon.

This is mass-culture: the figurehead is everything. He cannot be allowed to skate. Fear not the derision for popping the bubble of the illusion, they have to deploy to deny the accusations, and all of these accusations are reprehensible; the arguments themselves are free publicity. Remind everyone that he's hurting them personally, and he's doing it for personal gain within a life that was handed to him like a King. It sticks. Believe me, it sticks.

[ewagner]

21. Although...

How many members of junior's administration would have to get hammered before it started to stick to Jr?

[PurityOfEssence]

25. All the more reason to get going

If we keep pressing on enough fronts, fall guys will get sent packing. Eventually there will be nobody left. I'm perfectly happy to see each and everyone of them cashiered from decent society; they all deserve it.

At some point, the scapegoating will cave in on itself and there'll be nothing left. He survives on the strength of a few iconic myths: honesty, loyalty and a sense of what's right. Yes, it's all poppycock and bilge water, but we still have to make our case.

The big issue is "loyalty". When it's seen just how callously they'll jettison any expendable functionary to save their evil asses, they will have infinitely less leverage. That's what will really take them down.

Nixon was done in by his own party. We're probably not going to have that luxury, but a necessary factor will be the unwillingness of some of the Republicans to stand up and lock arms with the phalanx when some really ugly stuff comes out. We need to fight vigorously.

[Stephanie]

20. Wrong. They ALL need to go.

If you get Cheney out but Bush Jr. stays the planet is still going to go to hell. Stop thinking so small. We can drive them ALL out of Washington and preferably straight into a jail cell.

[mvd]

22. The general public would understand going after Bush more

But on the other hand, you bring down their house of cards by going after the leaders. So I'd like to hear Cheney mentioned WITH Bush.

[xequals]

23. Bush is the puppet

I agree, that attacking Bush alone won't work because people view him as a nice, regular guy, who isn't a genius but has the ability to lead.

The key is to reveal Bush to be the puppet he is, controlled by a group of neocon extremist headed by Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz. We just need to point to the facts, no conspiracy theories needed. Pearle AEI/PNAC talk freely and openly about "American Empire" and other extreme ideas. 9-11 allowed them the cover to pursue extreme policies .. overconfidence is driving them over the edge and we need simply to expose it. We need to show that these are the people who want Powell (polls show he is the most liked in the administration)out for being a voice of reason, and are the ones who leaked the false story. These are the people who are running the country, not Bush.

By showing that Bush really isn't the one in control, we take away his greatest strength.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

26. He IS disturbingly absent from any news

he is well hidden in many ways. I think the Halliburton thing could realy be played up more.
It's an ENERGY CARTEL!

[jpak]

24. I wanted to post something similar to this for a while

Cheney is the "kernel of evil" within the Bush Cabal and MUST BE IMPEACHED.

Wrote my repuke congessman about Cheney with similar points (for all the good that will do...)

Thanks Matcom!

[buddhamama]

28. the entire Administration should be our target

scratch that, the entire repub party should be our target.
they're enablers.

[stevedeshazer]

29. Been saying this all along

He makes the neocon world go 'round.

[Blue_Roses]

30. Ditto

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