The earth is the center of the Universe

[alittlelark]

that's what my Fundie mom told me earlier this evening. At first I thought she was kidding, but then she also believes that Dinosaurs and man were on the Earth together, and that Noah made a choice to not allow the Dinosaurs on board.

She is serious. How many other members of the 'Armageddon Lobby' believe this?? Didn't we dispense with this notion about the time of Galileo??

Has anyone else heard this new heresy against logic and science???

[Endangered Specie]

1. There is such a thing as the "International Flat Earth Society"

If you cant take literally the rising of the SUN, how can you believe in the rising of The SON? ;)

[rooboy]

19. Ah yes, Punjab's famous "motionless ball" experiment...

in which a large ball was placed upon the earth. The ball didn't roll off the earth, thus proving that the earth was flat.

[LastDemocratInSC]

47. There are also these sites ...

http://www.fixedearth.com/

http://www.geocities.com/armedconventicle/geocentrism.html

http://www.geocentricity.com/whygeocentricity.htm

[NMDemDist2]

2. i am the center of my universe

don't know about Noah tho, he was before my time

<sarcasm off>

[alittlelark]

17. He may have been before your time

but my mom would say that you are 'a soul to be saved'

[MrSlayer]

3. No. That's just insanity.

You'd have to be crazy or extremely brainwashed to believe that.

[alittlelark]

18. Extremely Brainwashed

ding, ding, ding.........you get the prize (but it sucks).

[FDRrocks]

4. Does she think the earth is flat?

and the universe is an oval?

[alittlelark]

6. No, because that's just 'crazy talk'

God created the world with just enough resources until he returns (that's why she refuses to recycle). She FIRMLY believes that she will never die.

When I attempted to discuss with her that the Earth was on a looong arm of the Milky Way she just got angry.

Anger is a GOP virtue.

[Wonk]

5. Buy her a telescope as a Christmas present

:+

[alittlelark]

10. Dad and I have a Co. cabin. She has seen the universe

Through the 3 telescopes we have there. But she has been pre-conditioned to see it only as a false reality.

She is INCAPABLE of seeing anything else.........and it is soooo sad. Her IQ is in the 170's, yet she refuses to allow in anything that does not fit into her world-view.

PS - the indicators of schizophrenia are all there.

I occasionally worry for my children (runs in the family)

[Cleita]

16. Maybe you need to get her on medication.

She seems really out of touch with reality and could lose it.

[alittlelark]

20. I got a MA in Psy because of her.

However, I came to the conclusion that all the efforts "I" made had little to no effects on her. And why should they?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. Jesus.

> Didn't we dispense with this notion about the time of Galileo?

The human race has never truly dispensed with any notion, ever. We are great recyclers of ideas, good and bad. At times it seems that the more nonsensical the idea, the more we cling to it steadfastly, in stubborn opposition to the truth. The more obvious the truth, the more steadfast is our resolve to ignore it. One need look no further than the true believers in the 9/11 controlled demolition theory on this forum to understand this concept.
The fundamental problem with this human/dinosaur cohabitation theory is that there is brutal, obvious, incontrovertible evidence that it's total bunk. In this area, the science is not at all clouded. Should one choose to forsake the science, and declare that the scientific evidence is but a mere ruse to test the faithful, then why not dispense with *all* scientific knowledge? Electricity works because of magic. Cars run on fairie dust. Your television is full of tiny costumed monsters.
And if that's what you want to believe, then fine. You, like all good Americans, are entitled to your opinion. But please, for the love of God and science and everything that both of those entities cherish, do not teach such nonsense in our public schools.

:)

[Solon]

8. No offense to your Mom, but she seems short a couple of marbles.

I'm sorry, but that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone believe, even the Flat-Earthers seem sane compared to that.

[alittlelark]

12. I would hesitantly agree

read post # 10 (I think)

[jobycom]

9. It's all perspective

You know those models of the solar system, where you have the sun, and all the planets revolve around it, and you have the little moons revolving around the planets.

Reach down and pick it up by the Earth. Suddenly the whole thing revolves around the Earth, though not as smoothly.

Placing the sun at the center makes the math easier, that's all.

That Noah and the dinosaurs stuff is wack, though. Ask her where they are in the Bible. Largest damn things on the planet (bigger than the arc) and no one ever mentions them? And god said all the animals, didn't he? Noah disobeyed, then.

[U4ikLefty]

11. Uh oh, If that's true

I just failed my physics final.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

13. she's right

just look in Genesis.

Genesis 19:85
And lo, immediately after the kangaroos made it aboard, Noah latchethed the velvet rope at the end of the ramp of the mighty ark, right before the first Tyrannosaurus made it aboard. "Begone, ye smelly reptiles", said Noah. "Fuck!" uttered the Tyrannosaurus. And the Lord saw that it was good that Noah had turnedeth away also the Stegosaurus and the Brachiosaurus, and all of the evil Allosauri away, damning them to drown in the waves that were the Lord's judgement.


Your mom is right.

[alittlelark]

15. LOL I needed that!!

Unfortunately, this belief appears to be real. Lets just hope that the more logical of the 'armageddon lobby' see it as such.

[rooboy]

21. I know at least one ancient creature was left behind by Noah...

the Idonthinkhesawrus.

[alittlelark]

26. But he did

saw'rus..........and we were doin' bad stuff:spank:

[maggrwaggr]

14. but I thought the dinosaur bones were put there by Satan

I guess they've changed their story now.

Fucking schizophrenics, all of them. No offense to your Mom, I've got 'em in my immediate family as well.

[alittlelark]

27. Dino bones were placed there to deter us

If you have been detered please place your reservation in the appropriate level of hell.

[RoyGBiv]

22. Dinosaurs caused my divorce...

Well, not really, but I trace the decay of my relationship with my ex-wife to an argument we had about the existence of dinosaurs a few years into our marriage that left me stunned and confused. It the first time I'd encountered someone close to me who truly believed that if dinosaurs existed at all -- a big "if" in her mind -- they roamed the Earth with humans. I also didn't understand how her bassackwards views on such things had managed to escape my notice until then.

This was also the same night we had a lengthy discussion about barbed wire. She insisted it was called "Bob Wire" because it was invented by some guy named Bob. (With a certain accent, "barbed wire" comes out sounding like bob'wahr.")

[maggrwaggr]

29. wow. musta been one of those physical attractions

that's pretty major. :)

[RoyGBiv]

32. Possibly...

She's still the most physically attractive woman with whom I've ever had a relationship.

But, damn, I thought she was smart too. At the time we met she was getting a degree in math, and she eventually received her PhD in mathematics and is currently a professor. I do not see how she reconciles her education with her odd beliefs about some things.

I was able to convince her on the "barbed wire" thing. For her, the jury is still out on dinosaurs.

[gpandas]

44. unbelievable n/t

[PragMantisT]

23. Tell her she is right

Since the universe extends infinitely in every direction, and is expanding, earth is as close to the center as anything. It's the same infinite distance to the edge in every direction.

If you really want to blow her mind, tell her that you are the center of the universe. It extends infinitely in every direction from where you are.

I would not try to reason with her.

[alittlelark]

25. I do not attempt to reason with her

however, she is my mother. As I attempt to reason with her she responds with the

Hummmia, Hummina, Hummina, reponse that I just don't get it



Did I mention that she was convinced for 4 +/- years that I was possesed by demons (not kidding).



I have garnered the skills to deflect, however the reality remains.

[PragMantisT]

28. Wow dude, that's tough

It sounds like it's an organic problem. It's not her fault.

[alittlelark]

33. Agreed...........but, damn, the havoc.......

I schooled for 2-3 years focusing on her......and got no relief...the dogs of war hate her (at least my beasties do).

[maggrwaggr]

30. I got 'em in my family too

it's like they're from the dark ages.

They seem schizophrenic to me. You can't argue with them, there's nothing to argue about. Okay, you CAN argue and demolish their arguments in two seconds, but they (at least in my experience) just fall back on the "I know what the bible says, and that's what I have to go by".

Of course the bible contradicts them, too, but they will ignore that.

[thecrow]

34. They're in My Family Too!!!!

I think I am the only one who is somewhat in touch with reality.
So they pray for me and shake their heads knowing amongst themselves.
Only my younger brother is somewhat aware.
But even he told me that he doesn't need an IRA because he won't need it.... he doesn't believe he will die, because Jesus is coming.... but he believes in UFO's....and then refers me to Jack Van Impe!!!
What's a sane person to do?
They're my family!!!!

<pardon me while I shreik>

[alittlelark]

36. I, as a female, can shut up pseudo-christians

by asking them where I am to hide myself for 4-7 days (guys, ya gotta care for children.........)And no one has been yet able to tell me how much I should charge for my daughter when I sell her into slavery.

[PragMantisT]

37. Lark, as long as you don't act like Lot's daughters

after Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction (my personal favorite old testament perversion).

[PragMantisT]

24. Does she believe unicorns were left off the ark as well?

Ask her how many ants Noah brought. The anteaters had to eat something.

Were termites brought along too? That's not good to have on a wooden boat.

[alittlelark]

35. So funny you posted that!!!

She has a calendar with a genetically enhanced goat on it...........

This goat also has a unicorn- like horn.

Fundie - mummy sees the calendar goat as a harbringer



Don't ask me of what...I've gotta go to sleep now..

[pezcore64]

31. lol

while i find it reasonable for someone to think man and dinosaur exsisted in the same time frame, because of media and entertainment over the last 100 years.....
wow, because noah didnt let him on the boat?
lol
surely youd think the dinosaurs had gone before then?!

heh

[Az]

38. Just to throw gas on the fire

Technically this is the center of the universe. If you look out into the sky and measure the speed of some of the stars you will find that everything seems to be moving away from us.

[Nihil]

42. Do you blame it?

The way "we" behave these days, no self-respecting star would want
to stay in the neighbourhood ...

[TrogL]

39. In matters of faith...

the Earth is the centre of the Universe. Apparently we Earthlings rate God's special attention.

Ignore any cosmological implications. The Bible is not a science textbook.

What scares me is, what if God decided he wasn't finished.

[Stuckinthebush]

40. Do this...

Take a piece of paper and place it in front of your mother.

Draw a spiral shape in the top left corner of the paper (not too big).

Now, take a red pen and place a small dot on the outside arm of the spiral.

OK...now fill the paper with spirals, and circles and blobs such that little doodles fill the entire page.

Now, tell your mom that you will go to Kinkos, get a few thousand of your pages copied and then you will lay them out all over the yard.

Explain to her that we know from obser-fuckin-vation (you can leave out the fuckin part) that there are millions more of these galaxies in the universe and the sheets all over the yard don't even begin to account for all of the galaxies.

Repeat - we know this from obser-fuckin-vation!

Now ask her, how do you derive your knowledge? If it is from a 2000 to 3000 year old document, then point out that she is delusional and needs to be hospitalized.

[Stuckinthebush]

41. No...do this...

Tell her we are all made of star-stuff and then start doing a wacky star dance.

[Cheswick2.0]

43. you can't blame religion for this

It sounds more like she wasn't paying attention in science class.
Not even fundamentalist churches would promote the ideas your mother is talking about.

[salonghorn70]

45. Texas

I thought Texas was the center of the Universe.:)

[mopaul]

46. my mom is nuttier than your mom

she's been a bornagain for 32 years now, sees demons everywhere, constantly prays to leave this awful old world, emails me sermons, speaks in tongues, sends money to benny hinn, lays on hands, prays loudly over a big mac, embarasses me to no end in public with 'praise the lord's and bless this and bless that.

it's sad. they prefer fairy tales (oops, did i say that?) to the real world.