Which cabinet post should Kerry offer Nader?

[SodoffBush]

I'd love to see Nader take Rummy's place.

[NMDemDist2]

1. yes i think Nader should be locked in a cabinet

OOOOOO that's not what you meant was it?? Ooops :smoke:

[zbdent]

5. Specifically, one which is one cubic inch in volume less

than Nader has.

[AgadorSparticus]

86. i wouldn't mind locking him in a cabinet too. that's a great idea!!

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[terrya]

2. Nader could be good as chairman of the Federal Trade Commission.

[LeahMira]

11. Good idea.

Nader has done a lot of good things in his lifetime, and it's not productive to turn against him now. Doesn't mean you have to vote for him, but let's not eat up the guys who are basically on the good side.

[jobycom]

17. He turned against us, not us against him

And by "us" I mean liberals, not Democrats.

[Kahuna]

27. Hey! Great minds DO think alike...

:pals:

[Poiuyt]

40. Nader wanted to "hurt" the Democrats

I read a quote from his nephew, who was serving as his campaign advisor in 2000. Someone said to him that if Nader dropped out it would help Gore defeat Bush. His nephew said that's right, but they weren't going to do that. They wanted to hurt the Democrats.

He has a chip on his shoulder about something.

[LeahMira]

67. Hurt Democrats?

His nephew said that's right, but they weren't going to do that. They wanted to hurt the Democrats.

Hurt Democrats? Well, if you think forcing Democrats to stand up and show their liberal colors is hurting Democrats, then I guess you're right. I think Democrats let themselves get hurt.

Back in 2000, it seemed as if there wasn't much difference between the two parties in any way that would make much difference. Gore was so worried about distancing himself from Clinton's penis that he managed to distance himself from a lot of the good, liberal ideas that Clinton worked to implement. Plenty of people knew then that Bush is stupid, but Gore simply rolled his eyes heavenward and failed to attack and challenge as he should have. Nader didn't lose the election for Gore. Gore lost the election all by himself.

The other thing you're ignoring is that no one imagined Bush would be so bad. Plenty of people saw him as a stupid person, but no one really saw him as evil.

Speaking of evil, do you really imagine that had Nader not been in the Florida picture, Gore would have won Florida? Knowing what you now know about the Bush family and friends, do you not think that even more "felons" would have been purged from the voting records, and even more people from "certain communities" would have met with roadblocks on their way to the polls? Do you not imagine that more Republican overseas absentee ballots would have been "discovered?"

I think the Republicans knew all along that the election was in the bag for them. They had made absolutely certain of that. If they had to adjust their plan a bit at the end, they had Plan B ready to go... and Plans C, D, and E. And they probably figured that Gore would roll over also... instead of investigating and proving what was going on, which we all know about now and still haven't done much about BTW.

I think it's counterproductive to dump on Nader, and it would be far more productive to keep our eyes on Florida and on every other state in the union at election time. The Bush group may be bold enough to try to pull the same stuff again in Florida, but they may actually be smart enough to pull it in some other state if they think no one's looking. And, we won't be looking if we're so busy looking at Nader.

[sangh0]

88. More Nader poppycock

if you think forcing Democrats to stand up and show their liberal colors is hurting Democrats, then I guess you're right

If Nader forced "Democrats to stand up and show their liberal colors", then why do you continue to complain that Democrats aren't standing up?

Nader has accomplished nothing good.

[jobycom]

91. Illustrates the anti-Nader point

Most people DID realize Bush would be this bad. Just not 2.5% of voters.

There were vast differences between Gore and Bush. About 2.5% of voters didn't pay enough attention to understand this.

And Gore was doing a fantastic job of sounding like a populist liberal. You could tell by the way the media kept saying he was a populist liberal, how his message kept sounding like a populist liberal's, how his convention speech sounded exactly like a populist liberal's.

I do agree that Nader had nothing to do with the way Bush stole the election. Without Nader, it would have been a different race, with different turnout dynamics. It's impossible to reconstruct it.

But Nader tried to help Bush and hurt Gore. He campaigned actively against the closest ally he had ever had in DC, the man who literally wrote the book on environmental responsibility, and he openly favored a man and a party who scoffed at and despised him. If you think that makes Nader worthy of praise, then you have self-loathing issues. Nader was an ego-maniacal fraud, and he was played by Bush like a drum. I'm sorry for those who are still fooled by him. He will give you more Kool-aide if you let him.

[IronLionZion]

97. Gore is a populist liberal

He had some wicked ideas like having a tax incentive for hybrid cars. He created legislation that helped the high-tech revolution. People don't realize how awesome Gore is and Gore didn't do a good job of getting that message out. The media didn't treat him fairly but still the election was his to lose. If Jeb's boys hadn't purged Democratic voters in Florida, then Nader would not even be an issue.

Man, I wish Al Gore was president, but I'll settle for Kerry.

[Kahuna]

23. He turned against us. We didn't turn against him...

He deserves no reward for what we have endured for the past 3 1/2 years.

[Sparkly]

26. I don't care what "good" he did in his lifetime

he's doing the worst thing possible right now. He's an opponent to the only man who can send the Chimp packing, so I don't consider him on the "good side" at all.

[NMDemDist2]

14. actually that's a decent idea n/t

[BlueEyedSon]

3. None.

[kysrsoze]

79. How about Pissboy?

[9119495]

4. Secretary of

go F*** yourself...but then I don't think that is cabinet level.

[lancdem]

6. LOL

[SodoffBush]

8. Nader's not worse than Lieberman

and Lieberman is who we would have had as VP, w/a presidential spot four years down the road. If Kerry chooses Lieberman, I will commit hari kari.

[jobycom]

20. Yes he is

Lieberman helped Gore win Florida, Nader tried to help him lose it, and didn't even help fight to have all the votes counted. (Yes, I know he made comments afterwards, but big whoop. He's bit at trying to look good afterwards.)

[bullimiami]

73. You are living in a dreamworld

If you think Lieberman helped Gore win anything.
He was an another albatross around Gores already albatross laden neck.

I know, Im from here and Im in the tribe.
We are overwhelmingly democratic and liberal leaning. Lieberman is not representative, he is a minority within his own minority.

He was a bad bad choice for VP.

[jobycom]

84. No, I'm not

You just aren't attuned to politics, ballot engineering, etc. Lieberman was a good choice from that perspective.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

96. holy joe screwed gore on the military votes issues

and helped allow the gop to get late, illigitimate votes counted

[Maurkov]

19. Isn't that Secretary of State

in the current administration?

[bullimiami]

74. yes she is in the House

here is witchy poos website

http://harris.house.gov/

[SammyWinstonJack]

56. LOL

good one!

[salin]

87. DOJ isn't cabinet level

seems to fit the title...

[tabasco]

7. Sure, Kerry will have a post for Nader.

A big fence post up side the head as thanks for FOUR YEARS OF WAR AND DESTRUCTION.

[gasperc]

NONE

and I'm a flaming liberal
tooo loose a cannon

[H2O Man]

9. None.

He is a disturbed individual, who is so self-absorbed that he is willing to risk the welfare of the nation in an effort to call attention to himself.

[Ryan10]

10. Be creative...

Make him head of Homeland Security...then dissolve that Nazi monstrosity!

[Blue-Jay]

12. Janitor.....n/t

[Zero Gravitas]

13. None

He is egotist only interested in tearing down the Democratic Party.

[jobycom]

15. A post with a sharp point at the end

I don't care which way it is inserted.

Nader is either a Republican or a dupe, and we don't need either anywhere near the White House if we get it back.

[atre]

16. Ambassador to Antartica

or better yet Ambassador to Mars.

[RedCloud]

18. All of them!

He has a clearer mind than most so let him run the show behind the scenes and get the power back to the people!

[jobycom]

35. First

nader would have to find some way to retrieve his power from the corporations who sponsor him and who he lobbies for while claiming he isn't, before he would have any power to give to the people.

And he doesn't have a clearer mind, he's like Bush-- he just clears out anything that gets in the way of his opinions, so he thinks it is clearer. That's not clarity, that's blindness.

[Touchdown]

21. Presidential Dog Walker.

...that is if Kirsten Dunst is unavailable.:evilgrin:

[NMDemDist2]

54. JK doesn't have a dog, he has a canary nt

[Piperay]

81. Official bird cage cleaner

then and that's more than he deserves.

[Kahuna]

22. Which one is he qualified for?

Gee. I can't think of any. :shrug:

[KUpolo]

24. Here's an idea

Secretary of Massive Ego!!

[Kahuna]

25. Good call! And welcome to DU...

I'm so flattered that I am your first post. :7

:pals:

[KUpolo]

31. What can I say?

Inspiration just hit me!

[SammyWinstonJack]

57. The "post" he is most qualified for!

And welcome to DU. :hi:

[lucidmadman]

28. Food Taster n/t

[Kahuna]

30. LOL! Food taster and Ambassador for Afghanistan.

nt

[LionInWinter]

29. Is presidential a$$wiper a cabinet level post?

:shrug:

[DerekG]

32. Good God, people!

Kerry has finally agreed to meet with the guy. Can you put a hold on spewing your vitriol for one stinking day?

[Blue-Jay]

34. Nope. There's plenty to go around.

spew spew spew

[Sparkly]

36. Let me check....

Ummm... No. No I can't, because he's still running. The day he drops out, I'll stop.

[Kahuna]

37. No! What Kerry does has nothing to do with me. Nader is a rat fink.

PERIOD. Most of his followers fron 2000 have realized their folly and have moved on. But not Nader. He is determined to ruin this country because of his own ego. Fuck Nader! And that's putting it mildly.

[jobycom]

38. I like the way you put it!

Perfect echo of my sentiments, and I'd probably second what you were too mild to say, too.

[Ripley]

44. Because people in groups tend to go insane.

Or else there are a lot of teenagers on DU. They clearly don't know anything he has done or said, or they wouldn't hate him more than they hate Rush Limbaugh.

Kerry is doing the right thing in meeting with him....AG is my choice.

[Sparkly]

47. "They clearly don't know anything he has done or said"

What he's said: He's said there's no significant difference between my party and Republicans, for one thing.

What he's done: He's opposed the only man who could have kept the Chimp out of the WH in 2000, and now he's opposing the only man who can kick the Chimp out of the WH.

I don't care if he lived the rest of his life like a Saint. That's all I need to know.

[Blue-Jay]

53. Yes. Of course. We dislike Nader because we're ignorant.

Is that how you frame all of your arguments? Wonderful.

[jobycom]

60. Right back at you

If YOU support Nader, you don't know what he has said or done. And I'm not a teenager. I survived the Reagan era, and though Clinton wasn't as liberal as me, at least not in what he accomplished, he was a savior after that. For Nader to openly campaign for a return to Reagan is beyond unforgiveable. It's condemnable, and eternally, barring a great act of contrition and atonement.

And if YOU support Nader, I'd suspect you are too young to remember Reagan, and how hard we fought to get someone who could overcome him, and how we managed to sneak Clinton in, and how we were poised for the payoff with the more liberal Gore to take us further to the left, perhaps even over the mid-point on the whole left-middle-right line. I'll never forgive Nader. I don't blame him for Gore losing, since Bush cheated to steal it from Gore. But I blame Nader for trying. I'm not out for revenge, I've just learned that Nader can't be trusted. Sad that not everyone has.

Nader begged publicly for this meeting. Kerry shouldn't do it, it's just a trap on Nader's part to help Bush win re-election. That's my suspicion. If Nader drops out after this, with no concession from Kerry, then he'll be off the hook. But even if I forgive the thief, I won't leave him alone with my jewels again.

[jobycom]

52. It's not vitriol, it's karma. And Kerry shouldn't meet with him.

It's the first mistake Kerry has made, seeming to try to appease an adversary. The only good point is that Nader clearly begged for the meeting, so at least Kerry doesn't appear to be chasing him. But Kerry should not meet with Nader unless Nader drops out. Until then, he is the self-declared enemy.

Nader betrayed everything he once stood for. There is no reason to remain loyal to him except blind muscle memory.

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. Better to spew then be spewed on.

[Renew Deal]

33. Secretary of State, Defense, Navy.

:crazy:

OK, seriously, probably GAO, OMB, FEC.

[Sparkly]

39. Pardon my "spew"

But I'll go along with that if you mean:

GAO = General Assholes' Office
OMB = Office of Mega-Blowhards
FEC = Federal Ego Commission

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[doni_georgia]

99. LOL (Doni's Husband)

Once Ralph Nader served a useful purpose.
Now he's an egotistical turd, the Connie Mack of American politics.

Rather than offer Nader a position, I hope he tells the slime to freeze and assume the position!

Mac in Ga

[Ripley]

41. You know if he was given AG and allowed to go after

Corporate crooks without Presidential interference, it would be a good thing. Kerry should seriously think about that.

What is wrong with you people?

[Sparkly]

43. Should he give the Chimp a position, too?

Why not give all of his opponents cabinet positions?

[Ripley]

46. Grow up.

You obviously don't even know that Nader is far more progressive than Kerry. His "opponent" Nader should be shown that the Democrats are different than the repukes and do want to stop corporate looting...but no, never mind....DU knows best. :eyes:

[Sparkly]

51. Nader's not "progressive"

unless he's making progress, and he isn't. Talk is easy; winning elections and implementing policy is difficult.

There are many progressives who are supporting Kerry, not opposing him. Why is Saint Ralph special?

[Zero Gravitas]

49. Exactly

Nader is running AGAINST Kerry in the GENERAL ELECTION. He has no right to expect ANYTHING from President Kerry. What do some people think that Ralphie is a special case. Nader wants Kerry to LOSE the election, otherwise he wouldn't be running.

Its sickening that an egoist like Nader who can't drum up any significant popular support for his positions is running only because he hopes the election is close enough that his small number of votes will be the difference that prevents a Democrat from winning. He deserves nothing but contempt.

Thinking that Nader somehow "deserves" a cabinet position is no different from arguing that Aschcroft should be kept on as AG.

[TankLV]

50. Could it be we have long memories, and see him for the complete jerk

and egotistical maniac he has become? That he is all about HIMSELF above all else? That he was THE major contributing factor in the assholes we have running our country now?

Could that be what is "wrong" with us?

[Killarney]

42. NONE - that lying, giant ego piece of shit deserves nothing

HE'S A LIAR.

[Lori Price CLG]

76. Well said, Killarney!

Also, Barf Nadir has a LOT of money for assisting with the 2000 coup d'etat.

:)-Lori Price

[kentuck]

45. EPA

He would make corporate America sweat BB's... :)

[terrya]

48. That's a decent idea. Nader would make an excellent EPA administrator.

And I DO think Nader can offer some good in a Kerry Adminstration. EPA adminstrator would be a good match for him.

[NMDemDist2]

55. how about the FCC

maybe he can break up some of the RW media stranglehold

[terrya]

63. Another good idea. Nader has talked about consolidation of the media...

One of the FEW people out there who seem to be concerned about this. After the low point of having Michael "I'm the tool of the corporate media" Powell as chairman of the FCC, Nader would be a very good choice.

[Cheswick2.0]

58. Did we run out of democrats?

Will Kerry give the Libertarian and socialist party candidates cabinet jobs too? How about Bush and Cheney too?

[Renew Deal]

61. lol

You are very observant. :)

[SammyWinstonJack]

62. Right?

Maybe this meeting is about "keeping your enemies closer?" :shrug:

[LeahMira]

68. What? Is this discrimination?

Did we run out of democrats?

Maybe just Democrats who would do as good a job, eh?

Will Kerry give the Libertarian and socialist party candidates cabinet jobs too?

Then I certainly hope you aren't one of the folks who is toying with the idea of McCain for Vice-President!

Actually, although I don't much like McCain at all, I do think that the best person should get the job. If that's a Socialist, so be it.

It might be just as hard for the Socialist to work with Democrats, but if s/he is willing to try... great!

[ieoeja]

64. None (n/t)

[robbedvoter]

65. Rummy's? yeah, let's have another narcissistic insane old coot in charge

of the war! Nader has a chip on his shoulder too. may I remind you that when Gore was opposing the war, nader was reorganizing the NBA?
How about the cabinet of "Me, me,me" - a leftover from W's ways?

[HootieMcBoob]

66. In NYC we have something called Public Advocate

Maybe a position can be created for Nader something like that.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

69. Chairman of the Consumer Product Safety Commission

[NMDemDist2]

101. that is maybe the one office he would do some good in n/t

[daa]

70. Secretary of Disaster nt

[Les BOOGIE]

71. Ambassador to Baghdad

[Nlighten1]

72. The "Department of Kicking Ass and Taking Names"

It should be a new cabinet position. But it won't happen.

[Lori Price CLG]

75. Uh, Depleted Uranium tester?

Send Barf Nadir directly to Iraq. But... where will Karl Rove's payments to him go, if Nadir is sent to Iraq?

-Lori Price

[Zolok]

77. Secretary of Whining

with main offices in American Samoa at the bottom of a coal mine.
:)
www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com

[Oddman]

78. Secretary of dumb asses with

HUGE egos!!

[napi21]

80. FCC would be great. Media breakup needs a persistent

nagging attack dog to ever make it happen. Don't you agree media consolidation is wone of the biggest problems affecting a free press in our country?

I don't like Nader because his ego costs the Dems votes, but he doesn't seem to be affected by large corporate donations and has been fighting Corporate control for a lot of years.

One of the better ways to get him off the ballot is to let him use his abilities to make a difference. Sure it's salving his ego, but so what. If it helps fix some of the problems in the Country and helps Kerry win at the same time, what's the problem?

[robbedvoter]

82. Check him out in this pic: outer space relations

[bigbillhaywood]

83. FCC, Commerce or Attorney General nt

[Catholic Sensation]

85. Yeah a public advocate is suited for running the defense of this country

:eyes:

[MyDogSpot]

93. As if Rummy's "qualifications" exhibited prowess at the helm

let alone Chimpy's.

[Catholic Sensation]

94. so we replace him with another inept individual

makes perfect sense. How about we make someone like Joe Wilson, or someone QUALIFIED, Secy of Defense? But that would be heresy.

[Rosco T.]

89. EPA or Department of Energy n/m

[KansDem]

90. A new cabinet post: "Secretary of P.A.C.E."

Secretary of the Polishing of All Corvairs in Existence.

He could be in charge of seeing to it that all existing Chevrolet Corvairs are kept neat and spiffy...

[JVS]

92. Something better than McCain

[yorgatron]

95. the only thing kerry should offer nader is

a swift kick in the ass...

[Serenity-NOW]

98. How about a pole so he can be the pole turtle?

Nobody knows how he got up there, how he'll get down or what he's doing there. Bush holds the title now but he's getting promoted to full time brush clearer at the pig farm.

[kodi]

100. ambassador to togo

it about as far away as he can get, and it's warmer than antarctica.