9/11 meeting erupts in chaos...CNN breaks away!

[Atman]

holy shit!

[wicket]

1. details for us cuberats

Please?

[nostamj]

5. they were demanding the right to ask questions

they wanted TWO MINUTES TWO MINUTES!

3000 dead is NOT leadership

what about the radios?

what about the bunker (OEM)

[Atman]

11. These were different people from the first time

They seemed to be all over the room. The crowd was mostly standing and cheering...they turned the lights down, I guess so the cameras wouldn't pick it up. The reporters were scrambling to take pics of the protesters when CNN broke to Darryn Kegal who did some happy talk and broke to a DrugCO commercial or something.

They were in the middle of kissing Rudy's ass and calling him a "great leader" when the woman starting shouting "3000 people are dead! That is not great leadership!"
It was classic. As was CNN's cutting away when the only real news of the day broke!

[tom_paine]

46. That would be standard practice for either Soviet Pravda or CNN

They are damned closer to being the same thing (CNN has better production values & is more subtle, of course) than anytime I can ever remember.

But as Pravda, CNN's duty is not to bring you the news, but to shield you from "unsettling news".

Unsettling as determined by Imperial Representatives that both overtly and covertly parasitize all media outlets (or at least all the big ones) for their Bushevik Masters.

CNN did the right thing, given what it is they are...Pravda.

[keithyboy]

27. I can't keep up!! 9/11 hearings! Generals calling each other liars...

by inference during the Abu Gharib hearings. They may as well say that Mugaba's report is false. Nobody taking responsibility, everyone saying they knew nothing about the abuses. It's all so maddening. Each hearing has been 'explosive.' so much going on who can keep up?
Our nation is almost in utter chaos but like Steppard wives we don't recognize it.

[Warren Stuart]

40. Mugaba isn't he a Shia Cleric in Iraq?

I think you meant Taguba (I'm not sure of the spelling either)

[CBHagman]

50. Major General Antonio Taguba...

...wrote a report on the abuse at Abu Ghraib.

[robnycny]

2. NY's WNBC maintains coverage!

...but of course the bullshit Guiliani praise commentary continues as well.

[davsand]

3. Trust CNN to bail out.

A large part of the audience is standing up and yelling and applauding--and CNN breaks away. Typical...

Laura

[mopaul]

4. all the major networks broke away

these fuckers! they are so bent on hiding the truth!

[nostamj]

8. i'm watching NY1 - local cable station

they didn't break away for a second and they're reporting on it.

[9215]

33. If this is true and they all broke away at the same time or nearly

the same time that would suggest commands coming from a central authority!!

Please see my reply below on Pentagon in CNN newsroom.


I guess the Pentagon or Intelligence Community is in ALL the newsrooms. :grr:

[Q]

6. Any details...

...for those of us who don't watch CNN or the other state-controlled media?

[PaDUer]

7. MSNBC also

Giuliani testifying..Has been a few outbursts from people listening...the last one I just seen and was able to make out was to ask some "real" questions, which led to a standing ovation. MSNBC reporter said "emotions are running high".

[Lakerstan]

15. MSNBC also...cut away

To the Senate hearings.

[Lakerstan]

9. Holy Cow

Did Giuliani just leave the room?

[rusty charly]

10. CSpan3

stayed on it. guy yelling "your administration funded and trained the al queda". "start asking some real questions! 300 firefighters died. you didn't even ask about the bunker! what about the Emergency Management bunker that was on fire?"

[Killarney]

12. Color me clueless, but

what is the story with the bunker? Can someone explain?

[ewagner]

13. ????? emergency management bunker????

???on fire????

I thought I was pretty "up" on the events of 9/11 but this is new to me....

[nostamj]

16. well, it was in WTC7

when the North Tower came down, Rudi & Co. were nearly trapped there.

it was also on like the 23rd floor in a building FULL of diesel fuel

not the greatest planning...

[jmcgowanjm]

24. Uhhh no-The Mysterious Leveling of Building 7

Who told Giuliani to evacuate WTC7 when
FDNY transcripts show fire was manageable
from 78th floor?

Never before had a skyscraper fallen due to fire
before 911. Moreover, it is a well-known fact that fire has
never caused any steel framed highrise building to collapse
in any manner, let alone with the vertical precision of Building
7's destruction. 1

On 911 3 fell.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn2.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7.html

[uncle ray]

35. transcripts scranscrits.

you been paying attention to the news? even major news outlets have been talking about the lack of communication between rescue workers, just because a few people say it looks managable from thier prospective don't make it so! news flash, these were big buildings, how much of the scene do you think any one person could see?

when skyscrapers start falling over sideways, or worse, UP, then i'll really start worrying.no i don't believe the official story, but there is nothing unusual about buildings falling DOWN.

[9215]

41. Your last sentence. ...What don't you believe

about the "official" story, he?

[TrogL]

45. Don't start that nonsense here

Take it to 9-11 forum where it belongs.

[frylock]

51. it is germaine to this post..

a protestor asked about the bunker.

[jmcgowanjm]

59. OK, where's this cloud of dust coming from?

[Alerter_]

18. Guiliani had a "bunker" in WTC7 full of fuel storage

This was a "command and control" center for the city that Guiliani put into WTC7 (instead of City Hall of Police Station), breaking all sorts of safety and environmental rules to keep fuel there. That's how WTC7 caught on fire, supposedly.

[mrgorth]

14. The revolution

will be preempted by commercials.

[Richardo]

17. Get out of the way, Emily!!!

:eyes:

[HFishbine]

23. Brilliant!

You've coined a new phrase and imbued it with meaning beyond its original context. Well done!

[TheDebbieDee]

38. LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOoooooooollllllllllll !

"Get out of the way, Emily!!!" cracks me up.

[9215]

42. That goes in my censorship file!!

Excellent!!

[jean]

19. They still don't get it - coverup and keep secrets and within a few hours

SOMEONE will have posted the entire mess complete with video footage online!

The idiot media just emphasizes the event by trying to cover it up. Bravo - now we'll all know.

[PATRICK]

47. Media is also covering up

That it no longer is a viable news organization. Amateurs on the net, unafraid to tackle and promulgate real facts and counter opinions have so far surpassed the "pros" that it is only their hogging of certain forums and dogged ignoring of facts(shooting themselves in the foot out of fear) that maintains a fake credibility for a shrinking set of believers.

The entire concept of news is shifting away from those who seek to profit from its control. They cling to the power of TV radio and newspaper like the US clings to nukes, but they do not dare really use them because that would unleash more change they find frightening.

We are seeing a period of decline and decadence, typically baroque for people enjoying the opulent twilight of collapse when glamor covers over
the true nature of things, when the whole justification for their dominance has passed into mere money gorging. It looks powerful, rich with occasional flashes of brilliance and rebellion, but in general it is on the way down and has lost its vigor, its rationale and its soul.

Small wonder that tabloid demagoguery, corruption, tyranny, propaganda, and pure infotainment incompetence of low quality is how they fill the growing void.

WE fill the void by fashioning together new, crude structures to the news and the truth in the same way Romanesque amateurs forcing their way out of the Dark Ages cannibalized and reconstructed architecture itself from the ruins of deceased Rome- not understanding, not professional, making mistakes, but building a real future nonetheless.

[jean]

58. Bravo, Patrick. You just filled the void with insight and quality. Thanks.

[Generator]

61. Yes, thanks for that post, and thanks to all us weirdos, nuts and whatever

label they can come up.

This is my country, and I'm not going down in the dark without a fight.

Thank GOD for the internet and those that question!

My heart goes out to all that have lost their loved ones and have to fight to be told the truth!

UGGGGGGGGH It makes me want to march on Washington this instant.

9/11 is the key to everything, every lie, the war in Iraq and everything that's happening in this country.

I wish people would realize that. Follow 9/11 and it's all there.

[jokerman93]

62. Beautifully Written Patrick

Pithy and insightful. When's you're book coming out???

:toast:

[derby378]

20. I love C-SPAN

Wish I could have seen it real-time, but at least I got to see when those protesters chanted "Fire Rumsfeld" a couple of weeks ago when Abu Ghraib busted loose...


Want to purchase this bumper sticker? Send me a private message!

[gasperc]

28. when milk goes bad, that's from a cartoonist here in MI

eom

[hatrack]

21. Well gee whiz!

You might get the impression that there are some seriously pissed-off, righteously angry people in Happy, Happy America, Inc.

But when the coverage cuts quickly a new Levitra commercial or the ups and downs of the Laci Peterson case, that impression quickly fades, doesn't it? :puke:

[jayfish]

22. More Importantly, Someone Might Get The Impression That We Are A...

Democracy, where the opinions of people other than the media and/or the government actually mean something.
That part of democracy must be too much of an embarrassment to be shown to the public. Heaven forbid that a trend of people speaking out starts in this country.

Jay

[JayS]

25. You start letting people speak out and pretty soon they are...

...going to want to vote and stuff. It is a slippery slope that we should not go down. :)

I wish they would let the families of the victims ask their questions; they were more affected by all this than anyone else.

[bemildred]

34. Indeed. Could upset the whole applecart.

Unauthorized citizens could interfere with the government's plans.

[jayfish]

36. They Must Be Labeled As...

unlawful citizens and spirited away to the interrogation camps now.</SARCASM>

Jay

[ibegurpard]

26. kick

:kick:

[atre]

29. Why does a news channel break away when the real news happens?

nm

[lolly]

30. News channel?

What news channel?

We have news channels? You mean, ones that report, like, you know, news that's happening?

Now THAT would be news.

[ProfessorGAC]

31. 'Cuz They're Not A REAL News Channel

It's infotainment.
The Professor

[nostamj]

39. THAT'S INFOTAINMENT!

To the tune of "That's Entertainment!"
From The Question W Revue"

THAT'S INFOTAINMENT!

THE SHILL WHOSE DELIVERY IS SHRILL
OR THE QUIP THAT JUST DOESN'T MEAN ZIP
OR THE GLARE WHEN THEY'RE CAUGHT UNAWARE
THAT'S INFOTAINMENT!

THE WELL WHERE A BABY JUST FELL
OR A STAR WHO JUST TOTALED HER CAR
OR A CAD, FAMOUS FOR BEING BAD
THAT'S INFOTAINMENT!

THE WAR IS A BORE SO THEY HAVE TO DISTRACT
THEY WILL FILL THE BILL WITH A MODEL THAT'S STACKED
THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT FACTS
THEY'RE THERE TO KEEP YOU HAPPY
UNTIL YOU TAKE YOUR NAPPIE

A JERK WHO SHOULD BE OUT OF WORK
TELLS A TALE THAT IS UTTERLY STALE
ON A SHOW THAT IS JUST OUT FOR DOUGH
THE CABLES ALL LIE
THE TRUTH IS THEIR NEWS IS INFOTAINMENT!

Parody Lyrics Copyright 2004 by Jeff Matson
All Rights Reserved.

[ProfessorGAC]

53. Funny Stuff!

The Professor

[nostamj]

54. thanks!

I got a million of them!

To the tune of “Keep Your Sunny Side Up”

SHOVE YOUR TERROR ALERTS, TOM
WE ARE SICK OF THAT DIRT
YOU MAKE CHICKEN LITTLE LOOK SANE
AND YOUR SILLY CHARTS ARE INANE
SHOVE YOUR TERROR ALERTS, TOM
AND DON’T TELL US TO SHOP. STOP!
SO DO BE A DEAR,
ENOUGH WITH THE FEAR
SHOVE YOUR TERROR ALERTS!

[9215]

32. PENTAGON IN CNN NEWSROOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.fair.org/activism/osi-propaganda.html

Pentagon Propaganda Plan Is Undemocratic, Possibly Illegal
February 19, 2002


The New York Times reported today that the Pentagon’s Office of Strategic Influence is “developing plans to provide news items, possibly even false ones, to foreign media organizations” in an effort “to influence public sentiment and policy makers in both friendly and unfriendly countries.”
The OSI was created shortly after September 11 to publicize the U.S. government’s perspective in Islamic countries and to generate support for the U.S.’s “war on terror.” This latest announcement raises grave concerns that far from being an honest effort to explain U.S. policy, the OSI may be a profoundly undemocratic program devoted to spreading disinformation and misleading the public, both at home and abroad. At the same time, involving reporters in Pentagon disinformation puts the lives of working journalists at risk. .......

snip
According to the New York Times, “one of the military units assigned to carry out the policies of the Office of Strategic Influence” is the U.S. Army’s Psychological Operations Command (PSYOPS). The Times doesn’t mention, however, that PSYOPS has been accused of operating domestically as recently as the Kosovo war.

In February 2000, reports in Dutch and French newspapers revealed that several officers from the 4th PSYOPS Group had worked in the news division at CNN's Atlanta headquarters as part of an “internship” program starting in the final days of the Kosovo War. Coverage of this disturbing story was scarce (see FAIR’s “Why Were Government Propaganda Experts Working on News at CNN? <http://www.fair.org/activism/cnn-psyops.html>” 3/27/00), but after FAIR issued an Action Alert on the story, CNN stated that it had already terminated the program and acknowledged that it was “inappropriate.”
Even if the PSYOPS officers working in the newsroom did not directly influence news reporting, the question remains of whether CNN may have allowed the military to conduct an intelligence-gathering mission against the network itself. The idea isn’t far-fetched-- according to Intelligence Newsletter (2/17/00), a rear admiral from the Special Operations Command told a PSYOPS conference that the military needed to find ways to "gain control" over commercial news satellites to help bring down an "informational cone of silence" over regions where special operations were taking place. One of CNN’s PSYOPS “interns” worked in the network’s satellite division. (During the Afghanistan war the Pentagon found a very direct way to “gain control”-- it simply bought up all commercial satellite images of Afghanistan, in order to prevent media from accessing them.)
It’s worth noting that the 4th PSYOPS group is the same group that staffed the National Security Council's now notorious Office of Public Diplomacy (OPD), which planted stories in the U.S. media supporting the Reagan Administration's Central America policies during the 1980s. Described by a senior U.S. official as a "vast psychological warfare operation of the kind the military conducts to influence a population in enemy territory" (Miami Herald, 7/19/87), the OPD was shut down after the Iran-Contra investigations, but not before influencing coverage in major outlets including the Wall Street Journal, New York Times and Washington Post (Extra!, 9-10/01).
The OPD may be gone, but the Bush administration’s recent recess appointment of former OPD head Otto Reich as assistant secretary of state for Western Hemisphere affairs is not reassuring. It suggests, at best, a troubling indifference to Reich’s role in orchestrating the OPD’s deception of the American people.
Indeed, as the Federation of American Scientists points out, “the Bush Administration’s insistent efforts to expand the scope of official secrecy have now been widely noted as a defining characteristic of the Bush presidency” (Secrecy News, 2/18/02). The administration’s refusal to disclose Enron-related information to the General Accounting Office is perhaps the most publicized of these efforts; another is Attorney General John Ashcroft’s October 12 memo urging federal agencies to resist Freedom Of Information Act requests. ......

[maggrwaggr]

63. Wow! Yeah, I remember when that came out

and I'd forgotten about it.

Good stuff, thanks for posting it.

[opihimoimoi]

37. Something is wickedly wrong with this system we are now using

Bush and his Masters are using Brown shirt shit on America.

[underpants]

43. Photos photos photos

Christopher Brodeur (R) yells from the audience as an unidentified woman (L) is removed by security personnel as they disrupt the end of testimony by former New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani (news - web sites) at a public hearing of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, in New York City May 19, 2004. Local officials were testifying on the city's response to the attack on the second day of the two-day hearing. REUTERS/Mike Segar

[mzmolly]

44. Good for "Christopher Brodeur!!!"

Someone is asking some damn questions.

[SoCalDem]

48. Easy.. Karl Rove must have a "dump switch"

Click.."purple pill" commercial
Click..cute info-chick
Click..viagra commercial

and out in TVLand, the consumers swoon at the marvel of purple pills, horny husbands, and all is right with the world, because the cute girl says so....

Thank you Uncle Karl, for protecting us from those GREEDY widows and orphans.. They should just "SHUT UP...SHUT UP...SHUT UP"...we gave them MONEY, what more do they want??

[laruemtt]

49. the only way cnn / pravda will pay attention

is if they get naked when they start demanding their right to ask questions. nudity / sex makes news. NOTHING ELSE. sick, sick society... show a breast, and they'll listen!

[barbaraann]

52. The Yahoo posts about this are truly scary.

Many rightwingers posting and it looks like all of the posts were written by Ann Coulter. Basically the gist is that the families are all liberals and all liberals are traitors.

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=l&board=37138469&tid=nmsecuritycommissiondc&sid=37138469&mid=26473

I just cannot believe how many Americans have been totally brainwashed by rightwing radio and Fox.

[Wind Dancer]

55. It's scary and only continues to get worse!

Fox, Rush and the like, are teaching hate nonstop, brainwash is an excellent one-word description - our country should be weeping!

My heart aches!

[apnu]

56. if this proves anything....

... it proves that the human race is comprised of dull-witted sheeple, that cross all party lines.

Oh, BTW, thanks for reminiding me to never read Yahoo boards...

[wicket]

57. Yahoo boards

The Yahoo boards are always swarming with freepers, it gets scary sometimes heh :D

[barbaraann]

60. I think that about 5% of the posts are about how "Laxride" is a

paid GOP troll. :-)