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Snoggera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 11:04 PM Original message |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't have a problem with having to pay for music. |
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Snoggera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 11:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. People listened to AM and then FM radio |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 11:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The technology has changed so much that now the consumer can create |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:55 AM Response to Reply #4 |
43. Exactly! |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. And if the RIAA had a chip |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 11:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I agree with the theory you present--it's the practice that's the problem. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 11:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Two things about that: at least go to a library to get the music... |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. want to send me a couple of bucks? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. If you sing a song in public, you have to pay the person who owns the |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
54. The fact the the record companies |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. That's a problem with business generally in America. Concentration of |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Adopt the Grateful Dead's Business Model |
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Maestro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 06:23 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Yes, but who funds the concerts? |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. The Artist...can run his own business... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 07:53 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. It's one solution that's not available to all artists. |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. There would be plenty of venues... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I think that can only happen if the tour is the loss leader for the CD. |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:42 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. What does "loss leader" mean? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:47 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. It means that you provide something for free or at low cost in order |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. Correct - Musicians get paid to play... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. If musicians only got paid to perform, you'd get more Brittany Spears |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Superstars are not a realistic measure of sucess in the music biz.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Your last paragraph is my point. Copyright creates the financial incentive |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The exact opposite seems to be happening... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 09:51 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. That's becasue we don't do what people here are advocating. |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #30 |
47. If fans care about the artist, they'll tip |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Which is why so many artists go from subway platform to Carnegie Hall... |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. True - I think fans tend to have a certain ethic... |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. That's why I chose a Creativecommons.org open source license |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-18-04 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
6. BitTorrent is spreading free music like never before... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 04:34 AM Response to Original message |
9. what else do you feel uncomfortable about not being able to steal? |
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neverborn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 04:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. /shrug |
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aquaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 06:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Great thing about America |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
42. as an independent musician |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 07:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. So was the car part, but ray's not happy that he didn't get paid for it. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
41. it's theft |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 06:27 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. what have ya got? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
22. If you really care about music, go hear a live show.. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
25. Socialism for Infants |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
29. There needs to be a balance. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 09:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. The artist can only get more money if there's money to get. |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 10:16 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. That's a good point. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. I think a good thing to remember is that the less money there is at stake |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:58 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. To use your metaphors, |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. To confuse matters, I definitely think boycotting South African businesses |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. It doesn't confuse me. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 10:21 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. And what about the songwriters? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. The entire motown industry was built on merging great performers with.... |
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uncle ray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. i don't think anybody thinks ALL music should be FREE... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:29 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Some people here were arguing that it should be free. |
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roach23 (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. you should try this |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:40 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Right - but only because the recording industry.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. But even if the performer is controlling the means of distribution, |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:24 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Non-performers will always need the i-pod... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Decision to put music in the public domain should be the artist's, not the |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. Townes van Zandt would have been way more successful today... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. No, he wouldn't have been more successful. |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Yes, he would...the context has changed...you are talking about the past.. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Every Lucinda Williams song I own I've paid for. And I've purchased it on |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Yeah, but she still sings flat. |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
36. I'm a musician and I have an idea |
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info being (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-19-04 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
37. Check out Creativecommons.org |
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