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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 07:44 AM Original message |
American Enterpise Institute magazine celebrates masculinity |
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rooboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. I've always found Richard Perle's... |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 07:56 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. yeah, J. Edgar Hoover |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 07:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. and Newt Gingrich is a total stud |
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meegbear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. Equating the brave men and women of 9/11 to * ... |
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OldEurope (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. Where´s my bucket... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
6. pathetic chest beating |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:05 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. speaking of chest-beating... |
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OrdinaryTa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
7. Guys Who Worry About Masculinity |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
9. so these people have never met a woman with "focused determination" |
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Ripley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Hah! You beat me to it. |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:28 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. yeah, but they'd have to leave it out of the article to |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
11. So do Real Men always say "Fabulous"? |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
12. ONLY MEN SHOWED COURAGE ON THAT DAY, DONTCHA KNOW |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. yeah |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:28 AM Response to Reply #12 |
43. yeah |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
115. THEY'RE AN AFTERTHOUGHT |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
14. Utter Republican Nonsense |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
16. Gotta admit Bush, Chaney & Rumsfeld do have focused determination |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
17. Rampant Noonanism (as in Peggy Noonan) |
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Snellius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
18. They should include photos of the AEI "scholars" |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
19. Confused |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. you've been had |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Funny |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:39 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. if not feminism, then what? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Haven't been fooled into anything |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:52 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. if you want to talk about masculinity and Sept. 11 |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Ummm |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:10 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. machismo is virtually synonymous with masculinity |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:23 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Ok |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
50. so what's the difference? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. No |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:11 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. really? |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:20 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Read it yourself |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:57 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. oh, the part about the "proven social practices" |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. So then boys |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:21 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. no |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. No "misandry" here - move on! |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:25 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. response |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
117. It seemed funny, not negative - sitcoms exaggerate both male and female |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:35 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. I remeber a movie called the first wives club... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:52 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. There was always the Stepford Wives |
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my_2_cents (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
130. I thought it was a movie about three women who were dumped and |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:58 PM Original message |
Yeah they were not nice guys... |
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my_2_cents (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
133. But how is it revenge if they were cheated? |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
105. I still remember the day I lost all respect for my female boss... |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
97. Yeah that's the same type of thinking that says... |
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Yaoi_Huntress_Earth (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. I Know what you mean |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
99. Nederland, AEI mentioned "feminism" |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:48 PM Response to Reply #99 |
116. Yup |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. To glorify such"male" strengths is to move to Hobbes' permanent war |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Question |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Yes! |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:18 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. And the part you missed is this: |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:51 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. It's just a disclaimer |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. The article is replete with references to "typical" male strengths. |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Read it again |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
56. I knew when I chose the phrase "girly-men" that you would whine that |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:06 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Amazing |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. LOL - I knew when I said I had a Ph.D. you'd get your knickers in a twist. |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:58 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. So basically what you're saying is |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:26 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. Nope! Skip the doll playing, but yes, get in touch with feelings. |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
87. That I agree with |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. that sounds like Sommers's own thesis |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:21 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. So then studies showing |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. no |
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my_2_cents (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 06:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
134. But maybe that is because boys get allowances with grades so |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:00 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. That's such crap |
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gottaB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 08:40 AM Response to Reply #64 |
145. Intellectual wedgie |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:07 AM Original message |
Guess my reaction, as with much bushco related material |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
39. Exactly |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:35 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. and |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:52 AM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Thank you |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:09 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. I would be happy |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. I think it's more about war than about Bush |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 11:13 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. language police... we have heard that recently ... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
54. how does that warrant |
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Yaoi_Huntress_Earth (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
20. What Really Makes Me Sick |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:30 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. This |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. a real child |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That too |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:15 AM Response to Reply #21 |
37. you've got to be kidding me |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:21 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Then I would suggest |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:36 AM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Which doesn't mean it isn't true |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
55. ok. How about some links to your scientifcally proven beliefs. |
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Spentastic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 06:42 AM Response to Reply #40 |
144. Hold up |
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DagmarK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. All four of my brothers are more maternal to their kids...than their wives |
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Yaoi_Huntress_Earth (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
93. Neither did I |
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UTUSN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
28. If Anybody Knows Masculinity, AEI Does |
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SpaceCatMeetsMars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
33. So her son and the other boys act like snotty little brats, |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
34. Saved this Freudian Liddy comment (captures the spirit) |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:40 AM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Gordon Liddy or Liddy Dole? |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
47. on behalf of men everywhere...FUCK men |
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DagmarK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 10:44 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. It's Plan B for garnering the women's vote in 2004 |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. Yes these are the woman |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #47 |
68. and those woman |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. who are these women? |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. it is a bit of both |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:32 PM Response to Reply #80 |
98. more mulling |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
70. LOL |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:18 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Haven't you heard? |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:48 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. You are so not liberal its not funny |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. You are so blah blah blah |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
102. some of my best friends are men |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
120. Since when does one have to hate men to be liberal? |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:55 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. Never heard that |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:35 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. however it seems |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:51 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. This is my master plan for having to do away with government |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. good luck |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:57 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. We shall always need government |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:10 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. "a tyrannical conspiracy being formed" |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Yes good government can go bad |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:34 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. I guess that would than be termed anarchy |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:58 PM Response to Reply #86 |
132. you could always expect that people would do what they're supposed to do |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:46 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. on behalf of men everywhere...FUCK YOU |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. The more I see men and their stupid attitudes.... |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. grew out of what? |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #84 |
121. Yeah but that's how modern feminism defines emotional maturity... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:54 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. I know many feminists and very few (any?) who hold such a distorted |
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Blue_Chill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 08:06 PM Response to Reply #126 |
137. If anyone holds a distorted view it's because feminist groups |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:22 AM Response to Reply #137 |
140. who is |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:51 PM Response to Reply #121 |
131. turn that argument around |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 05:45 PM Response to Reply #84 |
129. as opposed to you |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
67. yes - fighting enemies and protecting the nation |
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CBHagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
75. Oh, yeah, as though Bush II doesn't want us to be docile... |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Good point - it is fascism. |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
76. Don't let the author know Bush is afraid of horses |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 12:52 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. or that he was a cheerleader |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. wasnt Lott a cheerleader? |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:39 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. I have heard implied |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:04 PM Response to Reply #83 |
109. LOL thanks for posting it though |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:40 PM Response to Reply #83 |
119. AEI has a MAGAZINE? What is it called... Illuminati Daily? |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 03:51 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. LOL - that sums it up |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
106. Satircon comes to mind |
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Zephyrbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
108. Let's look at this another way. |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:09 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. that's exactly the spirit in which I posted it |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:09 PM Response to Reply #108 |
112. it is victomology |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:31 PM Response to Reply #112 |
114. excellent points |
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uhhuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 04:03 AM Response to Reply #112 |
143. Part of the problem |
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TLM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:09 PM Response to Reply #108 |
123. That's the problem with AEI.... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 06:25 PM Response to Reply #123 |
135. what is so different about YOU vs. the other guys here? |
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coda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
110. Looks like a coordinated attack. (Mona Charen weighs in) |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 02:22 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. dismisses the entire concept of diplomacy |
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coda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-11-03 04:50 PM Response to Reply #113 |
124. Yep |
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efhmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
138. What I want to know is why this thread has not been closed down as |
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Wonder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 12:29 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. need you ask? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
141. Some of my more sexist brothers need to check themselves |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 01:39 AM Response to Original message |
142. Disgusting that |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-12-03 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
146. Lots of fuzzy thinking here. |
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