All together now (comprehensive Berg theory here)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

Thought I'd start this thread to put a comprehensive theory about Berg from beginning to end somewhere, instead of in many different threads. Not that I mind that, mind you.

Here's mine and remember it's JUST a theory. Please add to it whatever you feel I have left out.

He is taken into US custody while staying in Baghdad. They suspect he has ties to al-Queda, especially considering the 2002 investigation in which an al-Queda member somehow had Berg's computer password in his belongings. In the process of "interrogating" him a bit too heavily, he dies. They decide to stage an "al-Queda" beheading on video in order to:

a) explain/cover up his death
b) take some heat off the prisoner abuse scandal and thus get people "het up" about why we are there in the first place (though having the "killers" say this is FOR the prisoner abuse is a dicey thing to do, IMO...)

The only thing I have a problem with is the idea of soldiers actually pretending to be these guys and cutting off his head. Even though he's already dead, it's a bit hard to take. Not saying it's not possible, especially considering what we KNOW they have done. My husband was active duty Army for a long time, and when I asked him if he thinks those guys could have done it (keeping in mind it would be done on a man already dead), he said he had no doubt.

Still, this does not explain the Russian that some have said they are speaking in.

Something else bothers me, though I am not sure it ties in.....his father, Michael Berg, was on a list of people who advocated A.N.S.W.E.R.'s one year protest of the Iraq war in NYC and other cities and his name was posted as part of a list on a certain site most people here find repugnant (do I need to name it?). There were smug comments about the death of his son on that site after it hit the news. They talked about "targeting" the people on the list.
Dunno....

Ok, then they take his body and head and dump it near that bridge where the soldiers of the First Cav find it.

Missing anything? The interesting thing is that this ISN'T taking as much heat off the prisoner abuse scandal.

[teryang]

1. Connection to Moussaui?

This is not really believable and easily contrived. This story stinks so bad, they are blowing smoke all over the place.

Maybe Boren and Joe came up with this.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

2. Who are Boren and Joe?

And I didn't say he WAS connected, just that they take him into custody because they SUSPECT something.

And he dies during interrogation. Now he could have died accidentally......and they wonder what to do....

[teryang]

20. There was an article recently

...which discussed the fact that the University Dean or whatever was the former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and that there was some "embarrasment" that the terrorist Moussaui had free run of the campus for a while. I'll have to look for it.

[Kazak]

25. I think he means...

David Boren (this I'm sure of), former Oklahoma Governor and current President of OU (and on the possibility list for VP, I might add...though I doubt it), and Joe Castiglione, OU's current Athletic Director who seems to be in possession of superhuman capabilities.

[teryang]

29. I think your post is great

I don't think there is any Moussaui connection with Berg.

I'm being critical of the Ashcroft fabrication, not your post.

Joe Lieberman called for Tenet's resignation at one point and shortly thereafter reversed himself. Former Senator Boren was Tenet's mentor and promoted his career. Boren and Tenet were having breakfast together on 911. It is alleged that Boren has leverage on Joe because his sister and brother in law are employed at the University. Moussaui met with Atta and Marwan al-Shehhi in Norman in August 2001. Apparently there was a terrorist cell there. Allegedly Narwaf al Hazmi, the terrorist the CIA didn't report, was in Norman in April 2001. Atta had visited to a flight school there earlier in 2000. Moussaui trained at the flight school which has substantial ties to OU. A terrorist ticket for flight 93 was purchased by a male caucasian from an OU computer. No implication or innuendo there, just as alleged in:

David Boren and George Tenet

Was Their Bungled Sting Operation a Factor in the 9/11 Attack? -- Read This and Decide

Michael Phillip Wright
Norman, Oklahoma

I can't find the original link, here's the link for his update:

http://members.aol.com/mpwright9/sting.html

[bobbieinok]

8. and co-pilot of Wellstone plane has some connection to Moussaui

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

11. Are you being serious? eom

[DUreader]

27. That pilot reportedly gave him the flight simulator software

[teryang]

23. Right, he reported Moussaui

The idea that he and Wellstone were together is one of those "coincidences." I'd call it a twofer.

[dflprincess]

30. They were at the flight school in Eagan, MN

at the same time. I imagine a few other people were also at the flight school at the time both of them were. They might have even shared software with each other.

This "connection" came out about the time there was a concentrated effort to smear both pilots and made me strap my tinfoil hat on tighter.

Apparently, the new way to discredit someone is to say they have a connection to Moussaui.

[jjmalonejr]

3. Berg is alive during the video.

He speaks and moves right up until the beheading.

Don't think your theory makes sense.

Granted, the official story stinks to high heaven, but I don't think your version of events works either.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

6. Right he speaks and moves right UP to the beheading

at the point of the beheading, he doesn't move. He doesn't struggle, if you watch it. His hands and ankles are bound, but wouldn't you see SHOULDER movement?

[HornBuckler]

7. True, He Does

But You Are Forgetting The 11 Hour Gap In Which He Could Have Been Killed.

[w13rd0]

21. None of the killers are present in frame...

...at any point in which he speaks. And there's the cut with a drastic time jump in between. Part 1 is the video they took of him at the prison, for their "records", maybe they thought they caught another John Lind <sp>. Part 2 is the video of him in the same outfit, with the men dressed up like Ali Babba and his thieves. At no point in Part 2 does he speak, which gives us no marker to actually synch the out of synch audio with the video, which becomes whacky at some point in Part 2. We can't see the masked figure speak as he "reads" his mobius script. To a US citizen, it's just some "damned crazy arab" rambling. Once we've "established the shot" in Part 2, in which the backdrop is the same, the outfit he's wearing is the same...

So the question we should be asking:

Does MI take video of the prisoners "introductions" for identification purposes?

[ima_sinnic]

4. it could have been related to his presence on a radio tower

way above Abu Ghraid (the town or suburb where the prison is), taking pictures and with what has been described as a nondocumented business, no contract with anyone.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

9. I've recently read about that too and wonder

what would he have pictures of that were so horrible from a radio tower? Just for instance?

[ima_sinnic]

13. well maybe nothing specific

--but maybe that circumstance got some people really anxious and, well, threatened--that he was a spy. even if there was nothing to see, just the appearance of spying. or maybe appearing to have the ability to somehow tamper with the radio apparatus or whatever it'd be called. like hey what're you doing up there? oh nothing, just fixing this radio tower. yeah right buddy, well c'mon down and talk to us. what're these gadgets you have, anyway?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

15. you know what? that's a good point

he was there working only for himself, not a big company contractor, so they would probably be highly suspicious of him. Add to that the fact that his sister was married to an Iraqi man that he had befriended....

[w13rd0]

22. If you have physical access to a line....

...it isn't hard to catch conversations and data transmitted "in the clear"...

[HornBuckler]

5. I've Read All The Threads -

And If I Posted My Theory, It Would Read A Lot Like Yours. I Really Think 100% Of Your Theory is Probable. Unfortunately, It May Not Only Be Probable But The Truth.

Good Insight

[judy]

10. Now I have read somewhere, that one of the bodies that...

...were dragged across the bridge in Fallujah was the body of a certain N.Berg.
Has anyone else seen this too?

I don't know what it means, and maybe it was a mis-identification then, that's easy enough.

Thought I'd ask the question, though: how do we know this is really Nick Berg on the video (I have only seen the beginning where he is sitting on the Walmart chair and says the names of his family members - I can't watch the rest of it)?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

12. Another DU-er pointed out his HAIRLINE is different

and I've been looking at photos of Berg in earlier days and the stills of him in that orange jumpsuit, and sure enough, the hairline is different. And not just a little different.

Which makes things even odder, ie your question as to whether it is really Nick Berg at ALL.

It stinks so bad near this thing you can't get within a mile of it.

[Cronus Protagonist]

14. His family have seen the video

None of them have claimed it's not him. I'd trust them to spill the beans or at least make errors if it were a cover up.

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[Career Prole]

16. I don't understand why

according to his dad on CNN

"He was happy to cooperate, and that was never an issue," he said. He emphasized that the individual was not a friend of his son's or even an acquaintance -- "just a guy sitting next to him on the bus."

"Whoever was next to my son was treated with great respect and friendship. Like I said, he knew no dangers from people. The FBI were satisfied with that."

The feds were detaining people incommunicado left and right on flimsier evidence than what they had on Berg, yet they let him walk after giving them a completely unverifiable alibi.

I'm twice as old as Berg and I've encountered neither al Qaeda nor the Feebs...he encountered both of 'em twice in a couple year's time.

:wtf:

[MariaS]

17. Does anyone not believe

that this administration is capable of killing an American to take the heat off them in the abuse scandal? They have already contributed to almost 800 American deaths, unknown numbers of wounded and maimed. And oh please let us not forget the thousands and thousands of Iraqis that this administration has taken out. Can't you just hear the Bushco reasoning. "What's a little college like hazing compared to a beheading, see we told you these people are animals"

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

18. Sure I believe it

just trying to put all the pieces together here.

I found myself thinking the other day of the innocent Iraqi civilians who have died in this war and I thought, "Has bush, for a single moment, thought about those people, those children who died in this? Have they even been a blip on his radar ONCE?"

And the thought that they very well might never have been was very depressing indeed.

[lovedems]

19. One more motive that I think is worth is a mention

is that by doing this and claiming it is Al-Queda is they get to put a face of evil on the enemy so we get to see how nasty they really are and hope that Americans will keep their resolve. It also shows that no matter how bad our acts were in the prison, we will never be as bad as terrorists and Saddam. I could see this action to "justify" our torture of Iraqi's.

I also think the act of beheading is a copycat from the terrorists who did behead Daniel Pearl.

[zbdent]

24. My theory on the ANSWER list is this:

The "family ties" got him noticed by this misAdministration. I read the thread (thanks to a link supplied by another poster) and one of the unnameables said to mass send this list to the various RW talking airheads, calling them "anti-American".

Once the misAdministration realizes that this guy wasn't spouting the same (what they would regard) "drivel" as his dad, they let him go.

SOOOoooo, he gets "detained" in Iraq by groups run by this misAdministration. Gets questioned by various "American" intelligence ops.

Unlike other detainees in similar situations, he gets let go. That alone probably sends up a red flag for all those "shadow" terrorists who are scoping things out.

Being Jewish, American, and "free to roam about" unlike most Westerners, he gets noticed by the terrorists. He disappears from the radar, only to be next seen as a body on a bridge and also starring as the main course in a grisly murder video (yes, I agree that he was murdered).

[neebob]

26. I don't have a theory except

when John Ashcroft comes out of his hidey-hole to say there was no connection, it means they want people to think there was one.

[dweller]

28. i've not seen the video

but have seen clips of it on the news, and some stills, and maybe some stills here...but:

-it seems there is a certain 'disconnect' between the person thought to be Berg and the suspected Al Q in the background, almost as if it's two films superimposed on the other (?). I know it's probably not the case, but more likely the lack of anything (inanimate objects surrounding) to put the people in perspective...the bland color walls, etc and the bright orange jumpsuit are a real contrast, and the individuals in the background seem lit different... Alot of this is from sketchy memory that i have of just a few moments of film i've seen.

-i haven't seen the similarity of the Berg in the video, and the family pictures of him. That struck me right off. Others have pointed out the hairline difference, but he looks older before, and younger in the 'beheading' video.

i've read most if not all of the posts here on this suspicious happening, and there are just too many discrepancies.
I'm begining to wonder if your theory of accidental death being used to bolster *moron's tying Al Q to Iraq and taking the heat off the torture scenario is the more likely story.
At this stage in my life, i put nothing off the table with those criminals.

dp

edit: to add link from another thread
http://www.rense.com/general52/psyy.htm