Is it a "liberal" thing????

[CatWoman]

Why are liberals so hostile towards rules????

I was in the military, and came to appreciate them. I resent some of them sure. But I mostly appreciate them -- especially if they apply to everyone.

But every day I see so much hostility toward rules on this forum.

Rules are our friend. They promote order.

Conservatives don't have rules -- they operate by fear and intimidation. They look at rules as something that doesn't apply to them, and something that needs can be broken when it fits their agenda.

[burr]

1. The rich use rules to prosecute the poor and write tickets to workers.

But the same elite who create the rules always get of the hook, sometimes they even get the contracts to run the prisons and the law enforcement for state governments.

[Wonk]

2. More libertarian/anarchist (possibly just childish) than liberal, imho.

Rebel without a clue

[1monster]

3. Because there are too doggonned many of them...

You should see the pile of pages of rules I had to sign tonight required by my son's (public) school. And I still have to read the twenty-six 8 1/2" x 11" closely typewritten pages code of conduct booklet that came along with all the other loose pages of rules.

This country has run amok with rules. And a good many of them are unnecessary...

[CatWoman]

4. I'm basically talking about the rules on DU

Admin specifically crafted rules for posting in this forum and LBN.

And I can't believe all the people intent on pissing on these rules --as if they don't apply to them.

[inthecorneroverhere]

5. Thanx

I guess I am one of those abhorrently 'statist' individuals of the Rooseveltian left who believes that rules tend to help keep communication on an even keel....

:loveya:

[JitterbugPerfume]

6. without rules

chaos rules

Listen to CatWoman , she knows what she is talking about

[burr]

13. Rules are meant to be enforced...

but who are the enforcers, and why are they sometimes enforced and sometimes not enforced. Who must obey, who must not, and who can command?

[Clete]

7. I guess I am a doormat.

If someone says there is a rule, I do my best to obey it. I really never think of questioning rules unless they are outrageous. Yet, when I had a business and had to ask people to follow rules, or actually I had to enforce laws that were on the books regarding my business, I was constantly playing policeman. Also there were rules I instigated to make my business a pleasant experience for everyone, those who patronized and those who worked there, yet there were those who were constantly testing the limits.

[unfrigginreal]

8. C'mon Catwoman. "Liberals" aren't hostile to rules.

You're making the mistake of believing that everyone here is a liberal. I'm a Democrat, yeah don't give me a bunch of shit about not putting the "ic" on the end. I do accept rules but will challenge them in a heartbeat if I think they are suppressing freedoms. That's where I'm coming from, the less rules the better.

[CatWoman]

11. When I got up this morning

I looked at pages 3 and 4 of GD.

Each and every locked thread violated the rules.

Rules that were set in place 3 days ago.

And the poster(s) kept pissing on the rules.

and they warned three days ago.

Same for LBN.

Freedom is one thing.

Stupidity is another.

[unfrigginreal]

15. Breaking rules is how we got our start

Rule breakers aren't necessarily stupid. They may just be angry as King George found out at the Boston Tea Party.

[CatWoman]

26. what an unfitting example

The Boston Tea Party wasn't about breaking rules -- it was about standing up to tyranny.

[alaine]

27. Oh no you didn't...

just give them a new three syllable word to accuse Skinner of.

[alaine]

23. I think people are showing a facet of their personality

that they don't have expression for anywhere else.

I have to chuckle at these highly literate people grasping at straws saying that these rules discriminate against the less than well educated. How insulting, really, to us, and to Skinner, because I don't see him ever making up a rule like that.

Sorry, the folks that are whining about not being able to follow these rules are upset about their own lack of desire to follow them, not out of any concern that someone else may not be able to.

[SEAburb]

9. How about a "reactionary" thing

I don't think it's a premeditated thing to break the rules, they just get caught up in the moment.

[Terwilliger]

10. I'm much more rule oriented toward rules...

until someone tells me I have to follow one, and then I say, "Oh no you DIDnt!"

OnEdit: rule oriented toward rules?!?! Oh no I DIDnt!

[CatWoman]

12. heh

:D

this we know :loveya:

[OrdinaryTa]

14. Liberals Are Hostile to Elitism

Some people can write; some people can't. You have to develop a linear narrative when you originate a thread on DU, and lots of intelligent people struggle with that.

The temporary guidelines restrict thread origination to those people who have a facility for linear narrative. It's a form of elitism, really. If you have that kind of brain, the new rules work for you. If you don't, then you're out of luck. Some people perceive that as unfair.

[burr]

18. Rules present a multidimensional paradox for living.

It is a complex intradimensional spread of contradictions which change with time, space, rulers, voters, parties, and politicians. These contradictions challenge the already burdened people, with an inconsistancy that changes with injustice and corruption caused by the flow of capital and the gravity of connections.

However, nothing we do can alter this whether we live by the brutal laws of Darwin or the rules established by those that say they Represent our interests. But only time will tell...

[buddhamama]

16. rules are not allows our friends

sometimes the rules are wrong and need to be changed.

the rules of DU are okay

i can be a kid at times
and stubborn tell me i can't do something and i will want to.
i do okay here

[jbm]

17. for me...

I'm pretty sure it's a knee jerk reaction I just haven't risen above yet. I know that rules are necessary. I even argued with myself last night when I took the DU poll about the changes and made a post about not liking rules. The argument that I had going in my head was that it was inconsistent to object to more rules for myself...and yet support regulations for corporations. I also believe that societies must be regulated to some extent..which of course means imposing rules. And yet...my background is one where I come from a strict conservative family,grew up in Lutheran schools...graduated and went into the military...it's left me with a 'rule' phobia. An overabundance of rules can become very oppressive very quickly,and I know,at least in my case,that's what makes me leary of them.

[Forkboy]

19. I fully admit that for me

it's a knee jerk thing.I just despise authority.I'm 35 years old and have yet to see a reason not to.

I know this is a simple answer,and I really wont go into more detail,but I have many reasons why this distrust is totally valid.

[unfrigginreal]

20. Great Post Forkboy...

I'm with you man!

[bpilgrim]

21. rules can be poor substitutes for thinking at times...

not to mention restrictive and inapropriate in certain circumstances.

in short there are always exceptions and a thinking person will always find the exceptions and will not be willing to be constrained by them.

i was in the military too and found occasions when the rules needed to be broken to get the job done.

don't get me wrong i am not knocking rules or saying they aren't useful just that they are fallible ;->

:hi:

peace

[Rowdyboy]

22. The answer is here...

http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Delta/6103/signs.html

Can't you read the signs?

[tedoll78]

24. I like rules.

I worked for the IRS, for example. And we write everything down. If it isn't in writing and passed around for everyone's signature to insure that the rule was delivered and explained to you, it didn't exist.

Anyway, I'd break some of their unwritten rules and get challenged on it. As my response, I'd ask them to point-out to me where the rule that I broke was in the rulebook. They had no response.

So yes, I like the rules. It's my opinion that it might be good for the Democrats this time around to be politically Machiavellian as long as they're playing within the letter of the law.

[opihimoimoi]

25. Hey, dem pub buggahs iz da guys who write da rules.

Dey write the rules to DERE bennyfits.

Go figah

[redeye]

28. I'm a critical person

I question what I'm told, and rules are no exception.