I can't believe this. The RW's message isn't taking root

[CatWoman]

I'm tripping.

I expected the Berg beheading to take over the headlines, pushing the prison abuse story by the wayside.

But, in spite of the usual GOP mouthpieces most valiant efforts, its not happening.

The abuse thing is foremost and forefront.

I also saw polls on the Yahoo boards putting *'s approval rating lower than the 44 percent currently being reported.

I'm really tripping here.

Chimpy can't pull a rabbit out of his hat on this one.

[MikeG]

1. The shame of the pictures is too great.

[Generator]

2. The war is lost

and I R A Q is what is going to bring Chimpy down. See Tucker Carlson post.

If NATO is waiting until November to decide..hmm what does that tell ya?

[Lex]

3. I'd like to think the media has finally plugged in.

But they always disappoint me.

[ibegurpard]

4. Not to mention that the Berg family, like Jessica Lynch and Tillman's

brother, aren't playing by the script.

[ShaneGR]

14. Yeah, amazing isn't it?

They actually played up Lynch, made her famous. But she was just an honest country girl. Wasn't having any of that crap. Tillman's family had seen him sent to Afghanistan, where they were short on supplies and manpower. They said a quick "screw your god" and that was that. Then Berg's family tells them "way to protect our son" after they recruited him to go there and lay telephone wires. Instead he got his head sawed off with a fucking dagger.

Dear god, what a damn mess.

[CharlesGroce]

5. all part of the plan CW

count on it. American politics is nothing like the weather, it's all planned.

[aquart]

9. Resistance is futile, huh?

Because they're so clever and efficient?

Boy, sure relieves us of any responsibility for changing things, doesn't it?

[markses]

25. Ding Ding Ding

Exactly right.

The "everything is planned" argument is a bunch of paranoid bullshit. High level CIA and Adminiistration is often no better planned than your average elementary school faculty and admin: fairly competent, but seat of the pants to be sure.

Why adults fail to realize that most other adults are more or less like they are is beyond me, but I think you are right: It relieves one of responsibility to see the grand conspiracy.

[annagull]

15. I don't think so, else Rove wouldn't have been shooting

so many blanks. I don't think they "planned" to spend so much of their war chest on ads last month only to have 44% approval in May.

[Gildor Inglorion]

6. What I'm looking forward to....

remember Romanian Communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and the look of utter horror and disbelief that swept over his face when the crowd he was harranguing suddenly became hostile? I want to see that look on the chimp's worthless mug as he goes down to utter defeat in the next election. Oh please, oh please, let it be!

[Ksec]

7. I havent seen anything but Berg tonight.

Of course Fox is on in the background behind me. I should go over and change it .

42. Wednesday nightc - Aol drops Berg story, questions Rummy

The face of a man about to lose everything?

[NMDemDist2]

8. my dearest CatW, i hear people saying about the Berg thing

"of course they wanna kill us, they need revenge"

I'm got the impression today that most felt it was sad but not unexpected. The pics are still the big item as people are waiting to see how high it goes. Nobody I spoke to today thinks it was "a handful of low level bad apples"

[CatWoman]

18. Neal Boortz was on an panicked rant this morning

about how we need to kill all of them, and how this incident will give * an automatic bump in the polls.

The idiot.

[frank frankly]

32. i accidentally heard him on the radio

there was a great caller ripping Bush and i listened on, not knowing anything about Boartz. when the caller was done, Boartz goes:

"I believe in the Bush Doctrine and I will challenge any caller to debate me on it..."

I turned quickly. What a vile man. Never heard of him before today.

[lastknowngood]

10. There seams to be some real problems with the Berg thing

a lot of questioning and even hezbula has questioned the authenticity of the video. I don't know what's up but there seams to be a low level distancing from it. I did note an Iraqi translator stating that in the video they never mentioned Al Queda but used a word which sounded like Al Queda but meant something else and also there was no mention of "revenge for the prisoner abuse." That means the translation was padded and then pushed via the news media here. Somethings not right or they would be spending 24/7 on the beheading and giving a casuals mention of the prisoners but it's just the opposite.

[cardlaw]

22. CNN reported today

about the discrepancy in the translation.

[annagull]

23. Poster at Kos says Russians

Over at Kos, one poster got an email with this observation:

The terrorists in Berg's beheading video are communicating
to each other in Russian ! One of them tells to the executioner
who was cutting Berg's head: "Davay pozhivee !" meaning
"Do it quicker !", or "Hurry up !" in pure unaccented Russian.
Initially, I thought I was the only one who noticed it, but other
Russian speakers confirmed it as well independently from me.
So, who actually killed Berg ? BTW, "Allah o Akbar" they
pronounce not with Arabic, but with a Russian-like accent.
Also, their demeanor was not Arabic at all, but resembles that
of people from the North Caucasus. Those were not Arabs ! "

Chechnyans? KGB?

[CatWoman]

24. Hi Anna

:hi:

but what would the Russians gain from doing that?

[annagull]

26. Hey Cat!!

I dunno, maybe subcontractors? Just guessing, thought it was an interesting take.
Btw, hope life's treatin' ya peachy kean, Cat! :hi:

[tom_paine]

39. Subcontractors. Putin really IS Bunnypants* soulmate

That would be my take on it.

"Managed Democracy" all around.

[bpilgrim]

37. think afghanistan in the 80's

and they ain't the only ones who would like to see us go through one or two right now but CERTAINLY the RUSSIANS. this is war on the CHEAP with their ARCH ENEMY.

makes sense to me... would like to hear more confirmation on this though

:hi:

peace

[scottxyz]

11. Maybe they need to air the Berg video

But then EVERYONE would start asking why the captors' hands are too white and why they have phoney Arab accents.

[Tansy_Gold]

20. "too white"? Too white for what?

Please check out a few of the threads addressing the "whiteness" of the skins of the various peoples of the Middle East and southern Asia.

Not all Arabs are dark, swarthy types. Not all "Americans" are white.

Ugh.

[CatWoman]

21. well, Tansy -- I kind of agree with Scotty

something is definitely wrong with that video -- tho I can't put my finger on it.

[scottxyz]

30. It's not "racist" or something to point out a different skin color

Yes, I know people from a particular country can be all sorts of colors.

But you don't have to be a racist to be able to guess someone's race when they have a bag over their head. Looking at the skin color is just a clue, it's not being racist.

[progressivebydesign]

28. There were credible reports today that there is some irregularity..

Something about Arabic linguisists analyzing the voices, and saying they are not the voices/accents of those they purport to be. I'm not a tin-foiler.. not in the least. AND I don't want to minimize the horrific death this man has suffered, nor the incredible suffering of his loved ones right now.. BUT.. questions are arising, and they need to be answered.

The Iraqi police would not have held an American for 2 weeks without some sort of US intervention or advice. The voices and audio seem to be in question. The willingness of the White House to allow this horrific snuff film to be distributed widely, without complaint (when they complained about flag-draped coffins). The murderers DO look wrong to me.. something is amiss. I would never, could never, ever watch the video but others have reported a wierdness to the video. And.. the eerie similarity to the Pearl killing. Questions are bound to come up when something like this happens.

A sad thought is that like the Rodney King video, our media-driven society is so focused on Berg's death because it can be witnessed (which is sick that anyone would want to see that) on video, making it worthy of headlines for several days.. yet Iraqi prisoners were dragged to their death, beaten to death with rocks. Iraqi children were blown to pieces by our bombs and shot by our snipers. Our troops were killed in very gruesome ways in firefights.. yet Nick Berg's killing, and that of the mercenaries in Fallujah, become more worthy stories, because they were "caught on tape". We have become the Fox Network.

[thebigidea]

12. its the sex angle that trumps the violence. This is America, after all.

Berg didn't have breasts or take part in naked pyramids... how can you drag a scandal over a coupla months without semen, sodomy, and sadistic sickness?

AARON BROWN: "We call them the three S-s."

GERALDO: "I call it ratings!"

KARL ROVE: "I call it hell."

[CatWoman]

17. Andre!!!!!!!

your posts make my day!!!!

:hi:

[fearnobush]

13. Remember, Nick Berg was held by Iraqi police and likely, the FBI.

His family was on the Freepers Enemy list and their is an email from him saying that he took pictures of Abu Graibe prison from a high tension tower at the prison.
This is a horrible tragedy and the GOP's whorish spin of it may very well back fire on them in their worst imaginable way.

<http://www.breakfornews.com/NickBergEnemiesList.htm>

<http://www.boston.com/dailynews/133/world/Questions_surround_young_Ameri:.shtml>

[scottxyz]

16. Abu Ghraid involves sex (sort of)

Actually just rape and torture. But close enough for the American public.

We complain forever that the news is always about Kobe - Michael Jackson - anything to do with sex.

In this case, America's obsession with sex will work against the right wing for a change.

I don't think Rumsfeld's gonna last. Bush giving him his full support means NOTHING at this point. That's what they do all the time - before they finally give in to public opinion.

Remember, in this case, the public includes the WHOLE WORLD. Not just losers who only watch Pox News.

[DrBB]

19. Was just gonna say--it's the one thing that gets through

...apparently. All this time we've been saying If only there were a blue dress involved. Well, looks like he got the blue dress from hell. It's shocking, salacious, secret and "pornographic"--must've heard that word used more'n a dozen times about the pix.

Makes Janet's tit look a little tame. And everybody wants a look. Only they don't wanna let everybody look. Only everybody's gonna get a look anyway.

And it ain't just a private consensual b.j. at issue, either.

[rocktivity]

27. That's right--Bush has his OWN semen-stained dress now!

Violence is as American as apple pie, but kinky sex? They say Monica Lewinksi, we say Lynndie England!

:headbang:
rocknation

[slinkerwink]

29. the reason is that it has to do with sex

[Cleita]

31. Dont' be so sure CW.

The rabbit out of the hat is exactly that. They are using the military for the wrong reason. They might try to use it against us. I have a horrible feeling that there will be civil war and they will start it to save us.

[frank frankly]

33. very good point

:kick:

[powergirl]

34. Time to thaw out Bin Laden

What a bunch of doofuses. I hate them so very very much.:evilgrin:

[opihimoimoi]

35. The Lies can go on for only so long. People are tired of lies and BS

Hence Bush poor numbers after spending 80 million$ and having the entire Media whoring for him. Add the Fundies lying for his ass too.

[SarahB]

36. Good.

But I expect shark attacks or some other young murdered woman to provide the latest distraction this Summer regardless.

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[tom_paine]

40. Now, if the Voting System isn't too corrupted and Extreme Gerrymandered

Maybe we can throw some of these bastards out!

[Cat Atomic]

41. Imagine what's in the photos we CAN'T see.

When we see the photos of men with hoods over their faces, rigged up for electrocution, we're all taken aback.

Then we hear Senators saying we can't see the others because they're MUCH WORSE... and the American mind starts imagining what could possibly be worse.

I don't think there's any way to distract from this subject at this point. If they release the photos, I expect we'll ALL be horrified. If they don't, people will endlessly speculate.

[ecstatic]

43. I hope you're right...

Over the past 4 years, I've grown very doubtful of *Co EVER being called out for their actions. They get away with EVERYTHING!