All Of A Sudden Its Beginning To get Too Hot In DU

[bolokshi]

Looks like we are not allowed to voice our opinion anymore without being jumped on. I'm becoming very nervous about this, here we are trying to run the 'THIRD REICH' out of office but find out that we are about to vote another IN (sigh) now hold on a minute there, I can hear all the cursing and shuffling, but every time I read a thread and its post I see this pattern of folks attacking people for asking question or for just plainly airing out their views. This in my mind makes us no different than the neocons. I do not want to believe that there are few here trying to influence peoples' opinion, surely, isn't this the same value where are trying to eradicate or I'm I mistaken.

It makes me feel sick to my stomach that instead of reading and learning from other views instead we dismiss it, just because we don't like the tone or disagree with whatever they had to offer. When did Democracy became annihilation, surely most of us come here to be free, be able to say what we want and when we want to say it, as you can see I have not been here long, but it has not taken me that long to see this pattern either. Most people come here claiming to be Socialist, Liberal (Right/Left) but still try to suppress the next man from speaking. This is not what this place is about.....so my message to those 'CONTRABANDS' you know yourselves, its time to 'BACK OFF' now! otherwise what others are working hard to accomplish you will destroy.

P.S
People tend to come in many disguises, but remember this "A leopard never changes its skin" most of you will not understand this saying, but I know few who will, I'll expect them to educate.

Thank you for giving me your time.

[kentuck]

1. With comments like these, I don't think you've been here long enough

to make such blanket statements.

"..Most people come here claiming to be Socialist, Liberal (Right/Left) but still try to suppress the next man from speaking. This is not what this place is about.....so my message to those 'CONTRABANDS' you know yourselves, its time to 'BACK OFF' now! otherwise what others are working hard to accomplish you will destroy."

[Q]

18. I think bolokshi has a point...

...and it's well taken. Perhaps it takes a 'newbie' to see the types of struggles we're facing in a country with a government that censors anything that may incriminate them?

- Many have noticed the same 'trend' on DU and other boards. There is a certain mindset that DEMANDS loyalty instead of earning it.

[kentuck]

21. I think there are just too many important things happening at once...

and most people don'thave the patience to listen to bullshit...

[Kanary]

24. Patience? Or common courtesy?

Dismissing each other as "bullshit" is not how to actually have a conversation, let alone build community.

Kanary

[kentuck]

29. You may be right Kanary....

But I don't think so....on this one. :) The poster comes in with a broad brush painting everyone as Socialist/Liberal, etc....

[Kanary]

35. What I see is discounting the message in a rush to discount

the messenger.

Many people have been run off, and that doesn't seem to matter.

It makes me very sad, and certainly is doing nothing to help the party.

Maybe honestly looking at this issue would have beneficial results in the election, also......think so?

Kanary

[kentuck]

45. Maybe I misinterpreted? What message did you see?

But I thought DU had been doing pretty good lately as far as not running real Democrats away... But people have gotten very good at spotting freeper posts also..:)

[Kanary]

54. Fine. then call me a freeper. Doesn't really matter anymore.

But, don't come knocking on my door, asking me to work for your candidate.

It simply doesn't work that way.

Kanary

[kentuck]

69. Kanary. I know you are not a freeper....

Hang in there. :)

[Kanary]

75. Like most people........

I don't like being dismissed.

Kanary

[kentuck]

77. I guess the poster just came across as....

a know-it-all that had been here about a week and was going to come on here and call people "Socialists", etc , and my interpretation was that he was out of line, if not a freeper, and I thought he was out of line and inappropriately calling your friends and my friends here on DU names that they did not necessarily deserve - because he had not been here long enough to know - but he acts as if he knows everything about everybody and he's willing to blast you for your shortcomings. That was my interpretation. I apologize if I offended you with my responses.

[bolokshi]

60. You sound like a disgruntle ......

person to me, you carry too much anger that you're missing the point completely. We speak of neocons when we have people like yourself doing the same thing that we trying to get rid of. How can we succeed?

[kentuck]

72. I try not to give out advice in such large shovels...

Especially when I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.

[bolokshi]

81. does that mean when you refused to

understand what I'm talking about.

[kentuck]

88. I guess there is a failure to communicate...

And I'm usually a good listener.... Tell us what you are talking about. Or are you capable of doing that without calling names or antagonizing people?

[Name removed]

92. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[kentuck]

94. I think I've proven myself to DU.......

I don't think you have. Nobody knows what you believe. Are you a Democrat? I will ask no more questions.

[0007]

56. Very well said Kentuck

[kalian]

2. That's what concerns me as well.

ANY criticism of Kerry is met with the same attitude that freepers
exhibit when we bash their beloved shrub.
When we bring up the topic that things will not change or we doubt
things will change much...we're immediately dog-piled in the most
vile manner.

So much for progressive, liberal minds.... But then again, actions
speak louder than words. That's why IF Kerry is permitted to win,
and he continues to do the same things as shrub...I wonder how those
on DU will react when we come around and tell them "I told you so...".

Oh...but I forget..."ABB"...but only if its Kerry... :eyes:

[Bandit]

11. ABB... Just who except for Kerry has any chance at all of defeating Bush*

It is fine to be idealistic but you also have to be pragmatic and determine what is the best course of action for the betterment of not only America but mankind itself. It serves no purpose to criticize for the sake of criticism. If you can point out what or how Kerry can improve what he is doing that is a good thing, but if one only wants to express sour grapes then expect to get flamed.

[Malva Zebrina]

26. Proud to be idealistic

what is the point to bragging about the idealistic points of a democracy when one is forced to vote for someone they are actually not voting for at all, but are voting against the other candidate?

It is really annoying to me, to have to support Kerry to get rid of Bush, because at this point I actually do not know what I am supporting and he seems to not be on the same page as I.

But I am forced to vote for him and that is extremely non democratic.

[Trajan]

44. I have always loved your posts ....

But I must disagree: ... You are not forced to vote for anyone ....

No one is forcing your hand in the voting booth ....

So please: be true to yourself, and vote for whomever you wish to vote for .... and let your conscience be your guide ...

Myself ? ... I will vote for Kerry, because I am a Democrat who will always vote for the Democratic Nominee ... NOT because I ADORE every facet of Kerry's philosophy, but because, on the whole, Kerry, being a Democratic Party member, holds a great number of beliefs which I happen to agree with ....

You are not 'forced' to vote for Kerry ...

[Sterling]

51. Kerry sucks ass

He is damn lucky Bush is so bad it almost makes him good. I am voting against Bush NOT for Kerry. So is most of America so get that through your thick DLC skulls ok. Don't expect a free ride for Kerry from anybody, if you do you will only have yourselves to blame when Bushco is right back in office with Jeb in 2008.

Now is not the time for Dems to get a chip on their shoulder over Kerry. Just be grateful Bush has fucked things up so bad people will except anything else as an option.

Don't try to paint Kerry as the good guy or the solution. The Americans that are smart enough to have seen through Bush won't buy Kerry's crap either.

[bolokshi]

62. Excently put..

but don't say it too loud for they'll gun you down.

[kentuck]

73. Yeah..look out! They're coming to get you....

:)

[bolokshi]

84. because of my views..........

well isn't this what I'm talking about, you really do not get it do you, you must be weak when it comes to thinking. Been brainwashed by the media for too long.

[kentuck]

86. Because we don't know your views, do we ?

Why don't you tell us a few of your views instead of coming in here with your lips flapping in the breeze, calling people names and antagonizing other DUers. I haven't seen anything productive from you yet??? What is your view of Bush and what is your view of Kerry? That would be a good place to start. What do you think of those guys? Do you think Bush stole the election in 2000? Do you think he's doing a good job with the war in Iraq? Tell us a litle about where you stand instead of just criticizing everybody else? We would love to hear from such a pure mind as yours which has not been brainwashed by the media. Tell us where you stand. :)

[bolokshi]

96. Why didn't you ask

in the first place. Now I am a true Democrat through and through, my ways, my life, my living, hell even when socializing....so it runs in the blood, now before I go any further let me ask you this what do you think that makes me?

Now in response to your next question, If you have seen some of my post you will know where i stand with regards to what is going on now, Bush is in power because of people like you, if you where doing your job as you suppose to have done, the mess wherein now would not have happen. That much said.

I'm for Kerry, but your action as of right now makes me wonder.

[kentuck]

99. Just curious..howold are you?

Are you old enough to vote? :) But, you're still here, aren't you? So I guess you might find something positive to say about that? What is your opinion of Bush? Be honest.

[bolokshi]

103. Old enough to know which side I'm standing

I knew that way before America new it. America is only just finding out now. Bush hijacked your media and turn it into his personal juggling toy. Now my views cannot allow me to vote Republicans/Conservative, I'm not even persuaded by anything repug does, I detest those people as much as a cold sore, Bush has not done anything for me and I don't think will do anything for me in the future, he used political sound bite to gain power, If only Americans where smart enough to see through this punk the world would have been a better place today, we would not have to watch on video a mans head been cut off. If we unite and work together we can get rid of them in no time, but attacking each other does not help, being Liberal does not make me different from socialist we are all moving the same way, we tend to forego what being a true Democrat is all about, this is the reason I wrote what I wrote today, I knew I was going to receive this amount of flame and i was prepared for it. Now what this tells me is that most people that claim to be a Democrat are really not Democrat, they just think they are.

[kentuck]

106. What does a "real" Democrat think?

Give us some of your infinite wisdom... :)

[kalian]

37. Yeah, that's it....

I'll blindly go an vote for the "approved candidate"... :eyes:
Bite me.
As for getting flamed. I'll flame everybody's ass when it turns out
that Kerry will "stay the course" and it won't take long to find out
what he really intends to do once he's selected.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. If that happens I'll vote for Ralph in 2008 I promise!

Right now though, I'm worried about the MAD MONK at the controls! Lets save what's left of the country in 2004 and then take care of the lesser issues afterward! Four more years of Bush and the party's over for everyone but the filthy and the rich!

OOOOPs!

[Trajan]

39. This isnt a fair characterization ....

Criticism of Kerry, IF justifiable by the merits, is certainly tolerated, if not beloved ....

Simply repeating RNC talking points. or raising petty objections based on hearsay or falsehoods will of course be criticised ...

I think the primary objection is this: WHY do the work of the right wing with pitifully weak arguments ? ... simply saying "Kerry voted for IWR" or "Kerry belongs to a secret fraternal conspiratorial organisation" ISNT a reasonable argument here in DU ...

I didnt vote for Kerry in the primaries, and my choice unfortunately dropped out ..... Yet: I am and always have been a Democrat .... and I WILL vote FOR the Democratic Nominee, whomever that is ...

You want to criticize Kerry ? .. fine: .. just have something worthy of merit, and you wont be adminonished ....

If you come out armed with RNC talking points, expect a backlash ...

[bolokshi]

64. Unfortunately, you're

still blinded by the media, you still haven't seen anything in your life yet, whatever you see, read or hear is monitored you have been brainwashed thats why you could not get this point. Rather than brandish someone because they don't agree with you at this time, try to understand where that person is coming from. Now, if you are a Democrat as you claim to be you will definitely understand my point, as of right now you're doing exactly what I've just posted.

Stop and think, remove the shield and you will be OK.

[Trajan]

79. Explain how I am 'blinded by the media' ....

Show this is true ....

[bolokshi]

85. Go back and read you post

[dpibel]

83. Yeah! Fer sure, d00d!!

Wayyyyy too many people get brandished around here. You got that right.

Hey, all you brainwashed DUers! Stop brandishing people!

Your wisdom is perfectly depthless, bolokshi.

[DoverFrank]

3. What are you talking about

I cant see anything that is not being people just being cool. Is this a private thing that I have invaded? If it is, sorry. I just wanted to know what the too hot thing was.

[bolokshi]

66. Stop being Ignorant

you are being completely ignorant which tells me you are here under false pretense, you're not what you say you are. Challenge me if I'm wrong.

[Kanary]

4. In my experience, DU has not only always been this way

but is PROUD of it.

Peace-making is not a priority here. It's very sad, but that's how it is.

All of us who are more "left", who support Kucinich, who aren't in lockstep have been repeatedly bashed.

It's unfortunate that the feature of being able to block threads has been disabled. That at least helped a bit.

One can only hope that eventually a site embodying peace-making will present itself.

Kanary

[Hubert Flottz]

5. It's the FOURTH REICH!

Same Game Plan different GROFAZ! Swig Heil! Salute the drunken AWOL and DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY!

[displacedtexan]

6. Are you new to DU?

You write as if you've been around a long time, but your number of posts communicates otherwise.

I haven't seen anyone trying to "suppress the next man from speaking" as you write.

I suggest you ask the admns for clarification.

[Kanary]

17. You missed the post saying "Sit down and Shut up"?

[linazelle]

7. Bolokshi's motives are suspect--read from previous post of his:

"Would not agree more


These asshole did every thing in their power to discredit someone with an impeccable record. So why should the Democrats stop now, this is the problem, Democrats always seem to give the upper hand to the republicans, they can do whatever the fuck they want while Democrats are focus on shooting each other. This is going to be a major problem, unless democrats can stop this jockeying for power and focus on real issues then we will have a huge chance if not....(deep sigh) we all know what will happen in the end."

HUH? WHAT A CROCK.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=49721

[bolokshi]

67. Are you afraid of the truth?

this is how they have completely brainwashed America, you cannot think by yourself, you expect others to do the thinking for you, how I expect you to understand me.


So sorry:(

[Robbien]

8. You say DU makes you sick to your stomach

but you have only been a member less than a week. If the board is not agreeable to you, why did you sign up?

[bolokshi]

68. You sound like dubya to me pal...

you have to sign up before you can reply to any post, suppose you forgot huh....well, wake up son!! before its too late.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

9. i think the cliche is

"A leopard can't change its spots". So i guess you're right i didn't understand this saying.

[mike_c]

10. it's important to remember that there's a lot of give and take...

...in this community. It's an anonymous forum, so it helps to develop a rather thick skin. I've been here for quite a while, and my experience has been that just about every political position that might somehow crowd under the Big Tent is represented, but that doesn't mean that they necessarily get along well all the time.

I do think there is often-- not always-- an inverse correspondence between the thoughtfulness of posts and their propensity to be bombastic and dogmatic, but that's human nature.

Sit back and enjoy the ride for a while. Join the fray when you feel comfortable.

[indigobusiness]

12. If you can't take the heat...

leave the kitchen.

http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/

[Name removed]

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[robbedvoter]

13. We got you with the torture pics. But you observe changes?

All of the sudden too? Hmmmmm...I wonder what happened to the good old times - May 6, May 7.....

[indigobusiness]

14. Tombstone time?

just wondering.

[hughee99]

16. I think everyone wants to

Influence others opinions. It's called an argument, and I thought that's what the DU was about. There's a line between disagreeing with someone by presenting an opposing an argument, and saying "F**K Y**, your an idiot". If it's the first one your talking about, then this is exactly the opposite of what the REICH was all about, if it's the second one, then RIGHT ON!

[rucky]

19. You're analyzing the wrong spectrum

it's not left/right in this aspect as much as it's authoritarian/libertarian.

as a left libertarian, I wholeheartedly agree with your take.

[robbedvoter]

20. The difference between us and neocons: we seek the truth. They lie

on purpose (David Brock saw it done).
Whatever arguments we have, everyone here is after the truth.

[Zorra]

22. Many people feel that threads such as those that bash Kerry

are not constructive due to the fact that Kerry is going to be our nominee.

The thing is, everyone here at DU that is not a freeper wants to get Bu$h out of office so desperately that many people often react negatively to any post that they perceive as possibly being damaging to unity among Democrats.

Given the total disaster that Bu$h has been for the US and the world, IMO, this is understandable.

And we have freepers posting here at times, who often post negative things about Kerry in order to attempt to try and disrupt our Democratic unity.

[kaitykaity]

23. Oh bullshit.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

"Take what you want and leave the rest."

[kentuck]

31. Exactly kaitykaity !

I can't believe some people are falling for this BS... :)

[bolokshi]

97. refusing to see

which is your ass, which is your elbow, when are you going to stand up and fight the real fight.

[kentuck]

105. Isn't it past your bedtime, kid?

You've had your limit of fun for tonight...You have to get up early for school, you know...

[onecitizen]

33. Well said!!

`

[Canuckistanian]

34. Bravo!

Relax, everyone.

[bolokshi]

74. Afraid of your shadow huh

man!! can't believe there where so many of you, stuck-up, there is no democrats that I know that is stuck-up. It could be Ignorance.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[kentuck]

80. You are wrong.

:) If you can make it a couple of months, go back and read your posts and see what you think?? Antagonistic?

[bolokshi]

98. Are you really a Democrat or is this some kind of trend for

you, "hey lets join the Democrats thats whats hot right now" you come across like a 'chicken head to me' go find your way then come back.

[kentuck]

100. You are tactful, I will give you that.

:)

[scottxyz]

25. This should be saved and entered into the "How To Spot A Troll" FAQ

It's too precious!

"Don't feed them" has proven to be a useful tactic and slogan on places like atrios.blogspot.com - or alerting and tombstoning as "we" do on DU.

Personally I think some trace of them should be kept around - I like "disemvoweling" {removing all the vowels} as practiced by the Making Light blog. Clearly flagged as spam - yet decipherable to those who may be curious.

But anyways it's nice to read a "light" post in GD today while my country's meltdown continues apace. For that small side-effect, Comrade Bolokshi - a tip of the hat. Don't let the doorknob hit you on the way out. Wish DU had a "karma" reputation system so we could laugh at you longer but we have more important things to do than indulge your juvenile fantasies about what "real socialists" are really like.

Is this what you mean by "hot"? No wonder you don't like it. Another name for it is "dialog". (Or "thesis" - "antithesis" - "synthesis" as you probably think us "Socialists" still refer to it as.)

[maddezmom]

52. yes...in 6 days longing for the good old times....LOL

[bolokshi]

76. My dear friend you seem...

too naive for my comfort, its troubling that people like yourself are passing for Democrats, what are your motive....wait don't tell me eh let me see, they turn their backs on you right, which means you see being a Democrat is a walk over, sound to me that you doing a research, so....when are suppose to go back over, after the election?

[Texican]

27. Much Better Than Right Wing Boards

I have a confesion. No I am not an Iraqi prison guard, but I have had a number of RW tendancies. I have spent a LOT of time posting on RW boards and the atmosphere here is immeasurably better. If you want to experience the fourth Reich just try to post a dissenting opinion there. I was attracted to DU by Dean, but I have stayed because I like what I am hearing.

[Wapsie B]

43. Welcome to DU Texican.

Somedays you'll find that the old Will Rogers quote holds very true. But that disagreement is also a vital aspect of the Democratic Party. It's called individualism.

[hippiegranny]

28. you're "nervous?"

then maybe you're waaaaaay too delicate for d.u. take a break. go for a walk. see where you left your perspective, and give it a good dusting off.

[bolokshi]

78. Infiltrators, thats what we call...

people like yourself, its really funny, I heard this quote once "If you don't understand it get rid of it" you do sound like that to me, up to this age you still don't have a clue where you belong. :(

[malachibk]

30. I agree

I've had some nasty shit tossed my way for harmless debate about hypotheticals. I enjoy thinking about an issue from all angles and will do so even if some people here have vile, knee-jerk reactions.

It makes them look bad, not me.

[kentuck]

36. So long as those angles don't agree too much with Bush...

and the Repubs, you will find this place very enlightening, I think.:)

[kentuck]

32. Where did he go?

Hit and run? :shrug:

[opihimoimoi]

40. Yo Kentuck, WE all know the MO, Hit and Run Tactics.

But for the true Dem, its OK, we learn from each other in ways only a true DUer can, use the chaff filter.

After awhile, we know what is chaff and what is not.

The over all goal is a better way of life under a different Adminstration/Philosophy. The Pubs approach is to denigrate the opposition which just happens to be anyone differing from THEIR views and Positions.

Thus far, these Pubs in office have demonstrated brainwashing, denigrating, blaming more than Positives. The spin they give us for Poz is just that BS Spin. Lipstick on a Pub cannot make them beautiful.... only masks the smell of poor and ineffective governance.

Come, we go down the path of Healing, of Promise, of Goodness. Kerry is all of that. and if he cannot deliver, then we find someone else who can. But it won't be in the Pub Camp for sure. They have been taken over by an evil curse of some sort. Just take a look. Worry and fear all around us. Jobs lost, econ down, environment going to pot.... what more evidence do we need.

[malachibk]

41. I'm back...

and I never agree with bush. But there are some issue that require a little nuance -- like when and how to pull out of Iraq. And if you offer ANYTHING other than "Pull out right this very second", you're called, oh, I don't know (and I say this from experience) a "rapist".

[kentuck]

46. I wasn't talking about you, malachibk, but....

if you want to talk about a little nuance here or there, I'm sure you can find someone to discuss it with you.... :)

[dpibel]

58. You must have hit a really bad patch

I've never seen a "pull out of Iraq" thread that failed to include a substantial number of supporters of the necessity of staying the course. And you got into one where it was just name calling? I'd sure like a link to that thread.

Oh! One poster in a thread called you a "rapist"? And how many posters in that thread called the "Pull out right this very second" posters idealistic airheads, thoughtless, unconcerned about the billions who will die?

If you get all hurt about one poster on a thread calling you a naughty name, you're probably too delicate to survive long on the net. You might want to refer to another post in this thread in which the poster compares the DU experience with his experience on right-wing boards. Or do you already know all about that?

[malachibk]

70. Nope, not that sensitive,

just mature, I guess. When someone says something that rubs me the wrong way I don't feel the need to call him/her a rapist. Or delicate.

I thought this was a place to discuss ideas/politics/topics of interest and that "liberals" or "democrats" or "progressives" or whatever were a bit more tolerant of diverse viewpoints. That's all I was saying.

No big deal, more of a disappointment than a hurt. Sucks to get that kind of flak for no reason.

[dpibel]

90. Once again

You have selected a very odd example.

I would very much like a link to the thread where you were called a rapist for advocating something other than pulling out of Iraq immediately.

There have been many such threads. I have never seen one where the response was lockstep. They have always involved a great deal of advocacy for varying points of view.

Hence, I am surprised that you found one where, as near as I can tell, you were a minority of one on this issue.

There was no one who agreed with you? Hard to believe. If there were people on the thread who agreed with you, then what are you talking about? If there was debate, it seems that you found what you were looking for.

[bolokshi]

107. I think you're missing my point pal...

go back and read my thread very slowly, I never said anyone called me names, besides I know for a fact that is not allowed in here. So before you criticize go back and read my post.

Thank you

[kentuck]

110. I don't think his comment was meant for you , bolokshi...??

maybe??

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[Maddy McCall]

42. Uh, GB, I think it's a lost cause with this guy.

[bolokshi]

53. Can't accept the truth huh!!

[the_real_38]

47. Shut up, you!

just kidding - heh, heh.

[goodhue]

48. great post

your impression in right on IMHO

[Kanary]

55. Guess there are a few of us left, then

Wonder how long we'll last........

Kanary

[Media_Lies_Daily]

49. So, what does "bolokshi" mean in the...

...galaxy in which you live?

I suspect it stands for "bullshit".

[bolokshi]

89. I suspect you don't have a clue....

when it comes to having constructive criticism being put to the test huh, you have no sense of being oneself so you just go with the flow, like everyone else, its people like you that have corrupt the media, whereas freedom of speech is seen as being negative. When can you people learn, you keep selling us for one cent everyday.

[kentuck]

93. "When can you people learn, "

Do you all need more proof where this little scamp is coming from? :)

[bolokshi]

109. You are displaying your intelligence

to me right now pal, and guess what, everyone that have read your post in the past will start thinking twice bout you. If you cannot understand my post why not try and read it again.

[kentuck]

111. I don't think I'm your "pal"...

but we'll let you slide his time...:)

[meow mix]

50. last night there was a lot of BS going on. people casting ridicule

on others, for DARING to ASK questions!
(not even addressing the questions.. just flaming the poster calling them "fucking stupid" and such.)

it was lame, bully, speech-suppression crap.

[wyldwolf]

57. I dunno... I can put forth another theory...

How about this:

Until recently, people were afraid to dissent from the far-left "Socialist, Liberal" line of thinking because they'd be labled a freeper. But with so much at stake now, times call for such dissent.


No?


Seriously, I just consider this another "I want to express my opinion without anyone disagreeing with me" post.

[0007]

59. Yov've been here what eight days now?

There are over 44,000 folks on this board, I don't believe you have given it much time to make such comment.

[West Coast Democrat]

61. Did you ever hang out in the GD Primary forum earlier this year?

I didn't think so.

[Redneck Socialist]

63. You mean the warm hugs and kisses forum?

I still have scars from the early primaries. My fingers twitch uncontrollably whenever the cursor nears GD: Primary. :(

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

65. The nature of debate is heated exchange and the people saying

STFU (shut the fuck up) happen to be BOTH the people making claims and the people challenging them. If you want a nice warm enema, may I suggest a bath tub and a hose?

Otherwise, when you make statements that cannot be backed up, be prepared to be challenged. It's real simple...nobody is going to kiss your ass for pure conjecture...nor are those of us who really want to see Bush out...no matter HOW UNINSPIRING THE ALTERNATIVE...going to sit around and high five the fucking mutiny that some cloak as "honest" criticism while they troll from thread to thread claiming Kerry is the same as Bush.

All of these "DU is changing for the worse" threads seem to be emanating from a bunch of people who want post without any challenge to their hyperbole...too bad.

[kentuck]

82. Let's all agree with the poster....

We're all assholes and Socialists and no different from the neocons. Now does that make you feel better? :)

[0007]

101. Oh! fuck yes, let's all say the troll is right, Kerry is a piece of shit

and we ain't democratic and don't understand a goddamn thing.

bolokshi got class, and we want bolokshi as our guru. We all can learned so much from guru bolokshi, 'eh?

What's funny is there was another troll that went by the name of GWBrips. Had the same kind of dip shit attitude and said almost the same fucking thing.

[drdigi420]

87. could this BE more of a troll?

man, amazing how many ppl got pulled into this guy's net

if nothing else, it demonstrated a fine piece of troll work

<golf clap>

[kentuck]

91. drdigi420.... it is a fine piece of work, isn't it?

:)

[arwalden]

95. Some Thoughts On That...

DU is a discussion forum. Sometimes discussions turn into heated debates and yes... even arguments. That's how these things work. To expect otherwise is to be a bit naive about the nature of discussion forums.

Messages posted at DU are not posted in a vacuum for others to simply read and ponder, and then click their way on to the next message or article. Messages are posted (ostensibly) so that others can read them AND RESPOND TO THEM.

In short, folks who don't want people challenging the things that they write and willingly post, shouldn't be here. They should create their own blog and turn OFF their email accounts so that NOBODY can EVER respond to them, or challenge then, or ask for more information or clarification on anything they write and present publicly. Safe.

Certainly everyone has the opportunity to post any theory they want to about nearly any topic. No matter how ridiculous others might think their opinions are... as long as they are not personal attacks (or any other activity prohibited by DU rules) then they are permitted to post them here.

But, their 'right' to post here, doesn't mean that they cannot be challenged or debunked. Nor does it mean that they are somehow exempt from the prodding of others who want more information, more background, more details, more SOURCES, more LINKS, or more FACTS when it comes to messages that are controversial and a bit fantastic.

But that doesn't fully address everything you were talking about. You seem to be concerned about a concerted effort to squelch unpopular viewpoints. --- While this is certainly possible... I don't see it. Instead, I see people who are being discourteous or outright rude.

It's my understanding that DU is intended to be a discussion forum for adults. While some may argue that we have our fair share of adolescents and less-than-mature adults... any Internet-savvy person will know that every forum, every Usenet group, every BBS and every chat room is FILLED to the BRIM with juvenile provocateurs. It's a fact of life. Whether the forum or chat room is moderated or not, this element will thrive to some extent.

People who participate in any version of these electronic forums must be mature enough to expect this type of behavior from that particular element. They'll always be here, always looking for ways to skirt the rules, and always looking for ways to stir the pot.

Those who chose to participate here smart enough to respond to it in a mature manner. Or they must be able to ignore the antisocial behavior it without having their feelings hurt and ego destroyed, and without feeling that there's some sort of mass conspiracy against THEM PERSONALLY.

Lacking the ability to do any of these things, then the best electronic forum for their thoughts and ideas and analysis would (again) be a blog or a less-high-tech letter to the newspaper editor.

--Allen

[rocktop15]

102. I agree 100%

I have been the "victim" too. I feel your pain.

[kentuck]

104. Carlos!

How you been doing? :)

[Failure]

108. top two posts in GD are on this subject...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1589104&mesg_id=1589104


failure.

on edit: they were...

[Skinner]

112. I'm locking this thread too.

I think we've had enough navel-gazing for one evening.