To all those who are Dissing Kerry, Sit down and Shut up!

[Nimble_Idea]

Yeah, I said it.

All those magazines and all those haters saying Kerry can't win, and that he should be up by 50 pts and all that crap.

John Kerry is going to win in a landslide. All those DUMP KERRY BS will be just that....BS.

I still pray every night for Kerry. This is a true man of character and heart. He will finally bring back, since it vanished four years ago, honor and dignity to the highest office in the land.

[hannah]

1. I'll second that!

[kaitykaity]

2. How long would this last if we

replaced "Kerry" with "Bush".

:puke:

When Kerry f's up, I get to say he f'ed up.

Period.

[Don Claybrook]

4. You beat me to it

I'd be a mindless automaton, but I just don't have the wardrobe for it. So I'll stick with the First Amendment, thankyouverymuch.

[kaitykaity]

8. And with being an independent-thinking liberal.

We don't march in lockstep. It's not in our nature.

[sangh0]

13. Since when does "independent thinking"

mean "mindlessly repeating Repuke slogans"?

And if you don't march in lockstep, then why do you so many of the Kerry-bashers complain about the same things, using the same words and phrases, such as "march in lockstep"?

[kaitykaity]

15. So if somebody disagrees with you they're

"mindless"?

Well, that's edifying.

NOT!!!

:eyes:

[sangh0]

21. I guess you can't answer those two simple questions

A question is NOT an answer to a question. If you expect me to answer your questions, you should perform the same courtesy for me. A discussion is not a one-way dealie.

1) Since when does "independent thinking" mean "mindlessly repeating Repuke slogans"?

2) And if you don't march in lockstep, then why do you so many of the Kerry-bashers complain about the same things, using the same words and phrases, such as "march in lockstep"?

[kaitykaity]

23. I did not bother to answer because I have seen

past conduct where the insults start flying and
the dustup begins and somebody walks away snickering
because they pushed somebody's buttons.

I don't go for that kind of crap. I have the memory
of an elephant, and I remember that I wasted my time
last time.

I won't make that mistake again.

[sangh0]

29. Actually, I'm not the one who brought up "mindless"

and other derogatory terms. You might want to review the posts in this thread before deciding who brought the hostility into this.

[kaitykaity]

30. Oh, this was a long time ago.

And if you had read, I didn't bring up "mindless" either.

[RetroLounge]

67. But you are always the first one demanding lockstep

so if the shoe fits...

RL

[Don Claybrook]

53. I brought up the term "mindless", as I recall

I think I used it in conjunction with the word "automaton". And I'll be glad to answer your questions.

1. Independent thinking never has meant the mindless repetition of Republican slogans. Where would you get such an idea?

2. Since I don't march in lockstep, how the hell would I know why Kerry-bashers complain about the same things? Your question is sort of fucked up by definition, if directed toward someone who doesn't "march in lockstep". See how it goes in circles?

Now, I'll hazard a guess at an answer to #2. I'd say that human nature dictates that when told to sit down and shut up, most people with an IQ higher than that of a house plant get their backs up and feel like telling the speaker where he/she can get off. As to your unspoken but obvious veiled accusation that "Kerry-bashers" are Republican plants of one sort or another, you may be right in a few, isolated cases. You would, however, be dead wrong in assuming that anyone who insists on the right to criticize Kerry is a Republican plant.

I find it ironic that I've spent more time on this board defending my right to criticize the presumed nominee than I have actually criticizing him. It seems like every couple of weeks, you have to stop and answer the god-damned attempted Nazi pogroms that want to get everyone marching in lockstep, freeper-style, no dissent. FUCK THAT NOISE.

Do you have a clear answer to your two questions now, at least from my perspective?

[pacifictiger]

3. He's not my first choice,

but he's the best for the world that we've got. This is too serious not to consider the old proverb - a house divided, falls.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

5. Funny, I just saw this in the dictionary under 'counter-productive'.

:evilgrin:

[Nimble_Idea]

37. funny, DUMP-Kerry is under, "SUPER COUNTER PRODUCTIVE"

I'm having my say, after THIS WHOLE MONTH OF KERRY BASHING.


I will be silent NO MORE!!!


To the White house!! YEAAAAAAARGGGG!!

[Screaming Lord Byron]

64. If you want a Kerry Presidency, as we all do

act more diplomatically, will you? Like I say, stuff like this post is just going to piss people off.

[lastknowngood]

6. Kiss ugh you know the rest. I ain't working for Kerry at least

until Kerry starts working for Kerry. I'll vote for him but nothing else until he starts distancing himself from the shrub and the repugs in control of my country.

[kalian]

7. Hmmm...."they hate us because of our freedoms"....

I won't shut up. You have no right to tell me to shut up. What?
Are you going to send me to a "free speech zone"? Huh? :mad:

[Tellurian]

9. The Republicans hate us for our freedom...

[kalian]

10. Really? I think the original hates my freedoms as well....

telling people like me that we're not allow to stand against
Kerry as the dem candidate is WRONG. This is the "Democratic
Underground" and NOT "Kerry Supporters Underground".

I will not shut up.

[Nimble_Idea]

22. So you will keep saying DUMP KERRY? if so, I can't help you

and I didn't say shut up to everything, you can complain and critisize Kerry all you want. I'm telling people who say he should be DUMPED, to stop with all the DUMP Kerry stuff. As you can see, Kerry is only going one place, and that's...........

to THE WHITE HOUSE!!! YEAAAAARGHGGGG!!!!........

[kalian]

27. Your posts are out of line....

If you call yourself a liberal progressive you had better start
behaving like one. Telling people to shut up is almost the same
thing as the so-called "free speech zones". I don't tolerate people
that try to impose certain behavior onto others. You're way out
of line.

[bolokshi]

33. Watchout Now, You might be kicking votes that you don't yet have

this is becoming scary


:dem:

[kalian]

35. Are you telling me to watch out?

or are you telling the initial poster?

[Old and In the Way]

52. Well, since it's a free speech zone, you won't mind if I say you're

appear to be working overtime to get George Bush elected, right?

[kalian]

57. No, but I will counter your lie....

NOWHERE have a campaigned for shrub. I detest the motherfucker.
But I detest just as much the SAME TACTICS used by some of the
so-called "liberals" on these forums. Exact same freeper-style
commentaries, accusations, etc.

Literally, its "If you don't like DU, then leave." Hmmm...its like
"If you don't like the US you commie pinko, then leave!"

But, I don't expect you to understand since you're a conformist.

[Name removed]

59. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[kalian]

61. That limb broke....

[lancdem]

11. You tell 'em

:thumbsup:

(I mean the part about Kerry winning in a landslide. :) )

[Pastiche423]

12. No thanks

I still have an independent mind and will damn well use it.

[robbedvoter]

14. I hope the same, but what's with the BFEE style censorship?

Not a good idea.

[Nimble_Idea]

24. what censorship do you see???

I'm saying to stop with the DUMP KERRY.....you can talk all you want.

[robbedvoter]

39. Yup. Like Ashcroft lets us talk all we want, only not Dump W?

I have no intention to dunp Kerry, talk about it - but this is an objectionable thread.

[Nimble_Idea]

41. No, what's objectionable is Pro-Shrub statements

as far as Im concerned, these people only want to undermine
John Kerry any way they can. Proping up GOP agents like Ralph Nader, and trying to cause breaks in the ranks of the Dems.

They want to spew pessimism and try to make other democrats feel no hope in the coming elections.

THAT, SIR, IS OBJECTIONABLE.

[DemCam]

16. Totally agree....

It is time to focus on the good qualities of John Kerry and to sing his praises everywhere we go.

We're lucky to have him. Another JFK just may be the antidote to the world.

[sendero]

17. I think Kerry....

... will win this race easily. I think he'll win it by a big enough margin that BBV, rigged absentee ballots, and the other forms of subterfuge that have been employed in the past will not swing the race to Bush*.

There is nothing on the horizon that is going to suddenly change for the better and validate Bush*. His news is all downhill from here, the economy, the war, you name it.

I would pay good money to see the look on his face when he finds that God is not going to bail him out of this one, and that God helps those who help themselves.

[trogdor]

18. To anyone who posts BS like that at DU, I ask...

...WHY ARE YOU HERE?

Keep in mind that the entire purpose of this very website is to GET RID OF BUSH. That's it. I cannot for the life of me understand why DUers in good standing would do anything to undermine the campaign of the one person in the USA who is in a position to send Bush back to Texas.

So he's not perfect. BIG DEAL. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate. If there was, we sure didn't pick him, so it's moot.

So he voted for the goddam Iraq war resolution. BIG DEAL. Bush abused the war resolution. If it were me, I would have voted NO. Most Senators prefer to give the President the benefit of the doubt, and slam him later for fucking up. That's the way it is.

So he goes to church on Sunday, takes communion in spite of certain bishops instead of quitting the RCC in protest, has a rich wife, gave an overly mushy response to the ribbon vs medals thing, and on and on and on. BIG DEAL.

We have to be united on this, or we're sunk. I don't want another four years of Bush and Company, and I don't think you do either. So, as Ari Fleischer once said, watch what you say in public and keep the anti-Kerry bullshit out of the forums. Trust me; we'll be WAY better off with someone intelligent in the WH, even if he doesn't subscribe to 100% of the liberal/progressive agenda.

[goddess40]

19. Catch more flies with honey...

I understand what your saying but the negative, nasty jibes aren't going to influence anyone to stand by Kerry. We'd be better off if when someone makes a cutting statement about Kerry that we ask them to back it up with facts. If it is a complaint about how Kerry views something suggest that they write a letter to Kerry explaining their views.- (If you don't go to the source with your complaint then it can't be that bad.)

[onehandle]

20. President Kerry. nt

[goddess40]

25. I like the sound of that

I can't wait for January 05

[bushwakker]

26. Get on the train or get the F out.

They said Clinton was a disaster in the spring of 1992. He was trailing Bush AND Perot.

[Kukesa]

28. You got that right.

James Carville said the Clinton campaign would have loved the numbers Kerry has at this point.

[Don Claybrook]

54. I was on this train long before you showed the F up

Thank you anyway.

And I'll still criticize John Kerry when he needs criticism.

[bushwakker]

62. OK

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Nimble_Idea]

36. I'm only addressing the issue of DUMP KERRY

so.....i never said you couldn'd say bad stuff.

But as far as Im concerned. bashing kerry is far more offensive than what I'm saying to the Nay-sayers.

Oh well, they had their say of bile against Kerry, and I had my say defending Kerry.

I don't see where free speech was stopped.

[robbedvoter]

40. Your approach is all wrong and will lead to the opposite attitude.

It lacks respect.

[Nimble_Idea]

44. Like the Respect of DUMP KERRY??

When somone says DUMP KERRY, it's like saying , GIVE UP, your chance at changing the course of the Nation is OVER.

I will not sit back silent, and let the ANTI-KERRY movement feel at Home at DU. I refuse to think that DU is home of a MASSIVE Anti-KERRY movement....or is it??

Well either way.....I will have my say. I won't let Anti-Kerry people feel like that's the way all DU is.

See? Im not.

I urge Kerry Supporters at DU to speak up and not give in to the Anti-Kerry movement!!

[texastoast]

60. Sometimes the most meaningful words . . .

Are kept to ourselves.

Complaining, criticizing, and saying negative things about Kerry might make us all feel better. We got to vent. How nice. We feel free. We are exercising our liberty on a smart message board.

Does our venting make Kerry's staff take notice of what Kerry needs to do next to keep committed Democratic voters happy? A wise man once said that it is not complaining if you take up your problem with someone who can do something about it. Perhaps it would be more productive to send private emails to Kerry's group instead.

When we put our words out there, we must be willing to take the responsibility for them. That includes the risk of shrubbie winning because our bitching dissuaded a voter. Are we willing to take the risk of putting shrubbie in office another four years? Are we willing to take responsibility for the additional Iraqi and American lives that will be lost if shrubbie gets elected again?

Are we willing to look the grieving moms in the eye and say, "I had to bitch about Kerry. You understand."

We don't have to support Kerry. There are other alternatives. Ooooo yummy tasty.

Your words are powerful. Be careful, not stupid.

[Nlighten1]

32. Conform or else!

Laff

[WillyT]

34. "Sign Zee Papers Old Man!"

Achtung, Baby!!!

:wtf:

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42. I suspect someone has a problem with caffeine

or too much Bill O'Reilly. I haven't decided which.

Oh and by the way, WOULD IT HAVE KILLED KERRY TO HAVE VOTED IN THE UNEMPLOYEMENT BENEFITS BILL? MADE THE REPUBLICANS BE THE BAD GUYS?

(seems like politics 101 to me)

[Nimble_Idea]

46. OMG, are you serious??

If John Kerry would have stopped his campaign to go to the hill to vote, more Pugs would have shifted their vote, it was done exactly the way the Repugs wanted it.

They want him to stop his campaign and lose. And they will use every tool they have, including making it look like he didn't care about UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.......gee...wonder if that will be on the Repug commercials....

[Q]

43. Shut up?

"Get the F out?"

- They say that the 'conspiracy nuts' are hurting our 'image'. It seems to me the censors who want people to 'shut up' cause even more damage by making us look like.....Republicans.

[Nimble_Idea]

45. Maybe my title should have been more explained.

I'm addressing the issue of Dump-Kerry... is my chief point.

People can talk bad about Kerry, but after the PAST MONTH, sitting here watching all the ANTI-Kerry stuff just flood this message board, it's just down right offensive.

I'll go on record as a SUPPORTER of KERRY and will defend him against all the ANTI-Kerry here.....so call me a republican all you want....for supporting kerry???.....sheesh :eyes:

[Quzar366]

47. asdfaff

John kerry wont win. He cant even beat bush in the polls when bush is at his lowest point.............

[kaitykaity]

49. 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . . 2 . . . 1

:nuke:

[Nimble_Idea]

50. THANK YOU, you proved my point.

`

[texastoast]

48. I'm coming in a little late here

But I so agree with you. There are a bunch of people here who have responded to you about not marching in lockstep, calling a fuck up a fuck up or whatever. And to those I say, keep it up, and you WILL have shrubito for another four years. And we all know we will travel to hell in a handbasket, a repukian handbasket. If I'm going to hell, I would rather it be with a Democrat.

Better wise up and get a clue. Keep this divisiveness and you will be playing right into the neocons' hands. They will laugh at us for being so stupid, one and all, and I can't say I would blame them.

[KG]

51. sorry, but i would actually have to SEE kerry walk on water before

proclaiming him the savior of the dem party and the US.

a fuzzy video from unreliable sources just won't cut it. :eyes:

[Nimble_Idea]

55. damn, somone fire up photoshop.

`

[DoNotRefill]

56. OBEY!!!!

Thanks, but I'll pass.

[jonnyblitz]

58. lol

right.

[Zorra]

63. Herding Cats 101: When attempting to herd cats, it is best not to issue

direct commands in a loud voice. Offering a large bowl of milk is a far more effective approach when herding cats.

[scrotim]

65. "sit down and shut up": always a great rallying cry, sure to attract

millions to your cause. not.

i always figure anyone who has to tell another party to a discussion to "shut up" has obviously already lost the argument.

regarding kerry's campaign, with supporters like you...

[JayS]

66. Who is Kerry??? n/t

:) :) :)

[LWolf]

68. Pardon me while I

STAND UP AND SCREAM WHATEVER IS ON MY MIND!

I don't feel the need to "dis" Kerry. I respect him. When I "dis"agree with him on something, a different sort of "dissing," I'm going to say something. And I'm going to try to say it in a constructive fashion.

But when I hear someone say "sit down and shut up," I'm going to stand up, stand closer, and say whatever I have to say loud enough for the county to hear. Because I don't wilt in the face of the kind of disrespect it takes to tell someone to "sit down and shut up."