Who killed Berg?

[genius]

He had been in American custody right before he supposedly picked up by Al Qaeda. One of the individuals here noted that the killers appeared to be white from what he could see of them. Berg was wearing the orange prison garb prisoners of the Americans are wearing. Our government refused to help the Berg family. Bin Laden's gang is the least likely group to be picking up people in Iraq as there aren't that many of them there as compared to other Iraqi groups.

The most important question of any criminal investigation is "Who benefited?" Suddenly, Repugs are saying the Iraqi prisoners deserved the abuse.

So who do you think killed him?

[Screaming Lord Byron]

1. Can't answer.

I have no idea. Clearly, there's more to this than meets the eye, but I don't have a bloody clue what that 'more' could be.

[bigwillq]

2. I agree with your answer

Could his "killers" have mistaken Berg for an Iraqi(spell?) if he was indeed killed by Americans? I mean with the beard and all, hey, it could happen.

I also questioned when I heard it was supposedly Al-Queda. What would they be doing so visibly in the open in Iraq?

[imax2268]

3. Senor is saying now...

that he was never in US custody...only Iraqi police custody...

[bloom]

4. An Arab News expert on CNN (!)

said that the translation that it was Al Qaeda was false. That the people did not say Al Qaeda meaning the base, but a similar word Al Qaed ? meaning people who are not doing anything (or something like that).

They don't know who it was. She said the accent was not Jordanian. I don't think the guy asked her what the accent was.




I'm going with "We have NO idea who killed him"

[Wonk]

5. dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1581683&mesg_id=1581683

[BlueEyedSon]

6. Please visit this related poll....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1584901&mesg_id=1584901

[Dookus]

7. Yes...

"who benefitted" is the right question to ask.


Anybody thinking clearly can see that the Bush administration did NOT benefit from this. The videotaped slaughter of an American, in direct response to the torture scandal, only highlights the issue.

Look at CNN or Drudge or any other news site and you'll see the torture scandal is still on top. This did NOTHING to change that.

[genius]

9. The response of the committee was to back off

The Repugs are saying that the Iraqis deserved to be abused. As a result of the beheading, they are going to whitewash the whole prisoner abuse scandal. That's a big win for Bush.

[Dookus]

12. huh?

What committee "backed off" anything? The torture news is still on the front page. Berg's murder puts MORE focus on the mess in Iraq.

If they were willing to murder an American for political reasons, they wouldn't do it this way.

[Nadienne]

29. Regarding the torture at Abu Ghraib

and doubtlessly elsewhere...

A number of other places and people knew about it long before the US media released any photos.

And yet the executioners wait until we know about it before they retaliate...? It's sounds to me like a Kabuki dance, and a simplified lie to mask the complicated truth.

[TrogL]

8. Racism redux

So far the only "evidence" I've seen supporting the theory that the government killed Berg is that the killers' skin was white.

This comes out of a racist theory that all Muslims are dark.

For shame.

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. Since Al Qaeda are employees of the Bush Criminal Empire...

...both options in the poll could be correct.

Though I haven't seen too many Arab/Muslims over 6 ft tall, and the 2 guys on the left in that video clearly were.

[genius]

13. You must have a strong stomach

if you were able to watch the video. I wasn't able to bring myself to do that.

[robertpaulsen]

26. I agree, both options could be correct.

As far as Arab/Muslims over 6 ft tall, maybe its Osama! :)

[Savethebutterflies]

41. Racial stereotypes

they say osama is 6 foot 6 or something

[CityZen-X]

11. Federal Mafia Hitmen

aka-Mercenarys. Oh, and the soft pedal term "private contractors."

[Warpy]

14. Neither

Of course, we really don't know who Berg was or why he was really in Iraq. His story is more than a little fishy.

[Doctor Smith]

15. 2nd that

[yoshyusmc]

16. Losing our humanity

I don't know, but it seems that Al Quaeda benefited most. It hurt the credibility of American resolve in the Arab region. Most Arab's are indifferent to the slaughter of Nick Berg.
I don't know about my fellow democats, but even if Nick was a mercenary, that kind of torture does not even compare to what happened to those poor Iraqi prisoners.
While I am a democrat, I will not justify the killing of any human like they did to Nick Berg.

[Old and In the Way]

19. I think this is the Islamic version of "shock and awe".

Better get used to it, I think. They certainly can't and won't stand up and get slaughtered by our technically superior military machine. But that doesn't mean they won't deliver their own brand of "shock and awe" - delivered through the visual media channel- which is almost the only way Americans get their "news" these days.

[genius]

33. Now there's some question as to whether he was actually executed

or whether we faked it. There reportedly is not enough blood. Though I don't intend to see the video.

[w13rd0]

17. NGOs estimate...

...that there are from 250-1,500 individuals presently in Iraq formerly employed by the likes of Pinochet and the South African apartheid regime, individuals who operated death squads, firebombings, domestic terrorism. Think outside the box. No one is saying 5 soldiers from the 81st Air Battalion donned goofy outfits and sawed off a guys head.

But it's not beyond the realm of possibility that individuals involved in death squads for governments Negreponte worked closely with (hey, ain't he the new Iraqi ambassador or somesuch?) might be called on to permit certain tasks with various objectives, with blanket approval and a "curtain of plausible deniability" to go on. Hell, Rumsfeld could have authorized it and have no idea of the actual particulars of the operation, and say so truthfully under oath.

Guys like Boykin will gladly pass along the message. The Holy Spirit is helping him interpret the Rumsferatus and Shrubco true meaning. Gitmo - the Geneva Conventions do not apply. Iraq - we must find WMD, they are making fun of us. The soldiers - private contractors and MI were telling us what to do.

Why might Rumsfeld be so keen on outsourcing so many critical military functions? Why might Bush want to put billions and billions of dollars into the control of a few wealthy friends (even if they are Saudis)? A corporate entity can not be executed by a judgement rendered in a court of law. A corporate entity can not serve as the defense in the Hague.

[JohnLocke]

18. DUPE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1581683

[Canadian_moderate]

20. Who voting here?

Are you trying to give your opposition some more ammo? Jesus Christ people, get a grip. Enough with the conspiracies.

[genius]

22. We are not blind and gullible

If there weren't conspiracies, there would be no prosecutions for conspiracies.

[Walt Starr]

27. We have two choices, and we know that Al Queda did not do this

It was a poor translation that brought "Al Queda" into this. Translator on CNN noted that the stements do not say "Al Queda" and the speaker was not Jordanian.

[ima_sinnic]

36. who gives a flying f**k what "our opposition" thinks?

and yes there ARE conspiracies in the world. don't buy the RW line that "conspiracies" are in the minds of nutcases--it is becoming a trite and ineffective way to shut people up. how the hell else is the truth going to be unearthed if we don't discuss it? you think The Naked Ape "in charge" is going to tell us ANYTHING true???

[robbedvoter]

21. More choices needed. "Not Al Quaeda" is a fact. Doesn't mean US

necessarily - more possibilities there.

[Walt Starr]

23. Since you presented only two possibilites

I had to go with the U.S.

[HEyHEY]

24. Other; The western worlds lust for oil and power

Coupled with the Islamics world violent culture and neverending strife.

[evil_orange_cat]

25. wow... pass around the tinfoil hats!

I'm disappointed in the DU in regards to these results!

Maybe US Special Forces really perpetrated 9-11! :eyes:

[Wonk]

28. The other poll (see post #5) has better options and is a 3 way tie. nt

[evil_orange_cat]

31. okay, those results I like better. ;)

n/t

[Beam Me Up]

30. rool your eyes EOC if you want . . .

but it looks to me like covert operateves DID cause 9/11. Now, what is the difference between covert operatives funded directly by the US government and those paid by ISI, Pakastani Intelligence?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO111A.print.html

[moderate_hero]

32. There is no doubt

just like the people who took care of Sen Wellstone. The repiglicans had something to gain from this.

I am more convinced than ever that Nader is the right man to be President. He would not have gotten us into this mess in the first place.

[huckupchuck]

34. Come on Folks

Please, from one liberal to another, let's not go in this direction. I think conservative use of Berg's killing to somehow justify ratching up the abuse and torture of Iraqi POWs is reprehensible. In fact, I think the whole war is reprehensible; but the U.S. government did not kill Berg. That is just absolutely ludicrous. Please, rational minds need to prevail here.

[ima_sinnic]

37. and you know that for a fact, how?? eom

[troublemaker]

35. Dumb Poll. Need a third option.

Muslim radicals not working "for" al qeada

[G_j]

39. fourth option: how TF should I know?

it reminds of those "is OJ guilty?" polls. Why are you asking me? I don't know.

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40. How can anyone think this?

How can anyone seriously think that any government official had any hand in Berg's death? It's all right there on tape, people who want to kill Americans did this. Al qaeda did this. Zarqawi did this. Nick Berg had an Israeli stamp on his passport and a Jewish name. Some al qaeda sympathizer in the Iraqi police force tipped off his buddies and they kidnapped him after he was released from custody and they killed him. The only way to beat these people is to win this war.