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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:33 PM
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Please Read the Vonnegut Piece
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PragMantisT Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:49 PM
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1. A real Genius!
How can he write such great books and let them be turned into such shitty movies?
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:05 PM
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3. Difficult to translate, I reckon.
There is hope that it will happen.

http://sludgereport.blogspot.com/
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:41 AM
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24. And many good books
are made into bad flicks.
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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:55 PM
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2. Done
Loved it.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:23 PM
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4. KV is a brilliant, brilliant....
man...
His best?
toss up between Mother Night and Cat's Cradle
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 04:17 PM
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11. Agreed, And those Guinness commercials are great
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:29 AM
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36. Sirens of Titan
"Anyone who has traveled this far on a fool's errand has no choice but to uphold the honor of fools by completing the errand."

- Salo of Tralfamodore
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:43 AM
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My favorite too...
Just finished reading it for the second time...perfect!
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:30 PM
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5. Someting wrong with the 'inthesetimes.com' site...
Can bring up main page in Google cache, but the website/server appears to be down.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:34 PM
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7. It figures...
dang.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 11:02 AM
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26. I'll send the piece
to anyone that asks.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:33 PM
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6. The ONLY chance we have at healing this country
lies in the rise of a Religious Left movement & emphasis on the Sermon on the Mount. like it or not, this Jew realizes we ARE a Christian nation (for the time being) and the only words people will trust come from up above. Let the true Christians transition us back to being a compassionate & tolerant nation. Let's use the word of the Bible & the authority it carries to get through to the fanatics who have strayed.

WTG, Vonnegut! He's like Jesus to me :)

check out this site: www.sojourners.com
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:38 PM
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8. Thanks, but I wonder if he is like Jesus to
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 07:53 PM
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18. no offense
intended
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:09 PM
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29. any chance
is worth a shot.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 02:13 PM
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9. thank you very much
KV has been my guru for 30 some years but I haven't seen much of him in recent years. I'd thought he'd given up. I've gotten more morality out of his books than I got from 10 years of Catholic schooling, that's for sure. So happy to see he's still fighting the fight.
His addiction analogy is absolutely spot on, though I fear that even most folks here cannot really deal with it on a personal level, cannot see what's going on and the future that we are making. Glad I didn't have children.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 08:21 AM
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23. you're quite welcome
speaking of children...keeping our Sages in the pages opens their eyes.

http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 02:38 PM
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10. Man, the site is down
I want to read it so badly, but it isn;t there. I wonder if Kurt got the site overwhelmed with hits.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 05:30 PM
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12. it is up, now
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:34 PM
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14. Just read it, here is the link
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/cold_turkey

Addicted to oil is our problem. Why else would we repeat the middle age's history?

Also: Gotte love the idea of ditching the Ten C's and going with the christian beattitudes. Makes better sense.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 03:58 PM
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27. it's wonky
but up
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 10:52 AM
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31. S
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:32 PM
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32. S
what?
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:22 PM
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13. Twice got that annoying message
"performed illegal operation", so it's not something I can get from the site you linked.

Is there any other place to find it? I'd really like to read it!

Thanks!

Kanary
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:39 PM
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15. Try this link
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/cold_turkey

if it won't work, try the In These Times mainpage.

Good luck.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 06:41 PM
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16. try this
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 07:44 PM
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17. I sent you the text
em
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 08:02 PM
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19. Got it! Thanks so much!
Really is a good article.......I'm going over it again, now.

Thanks again.

Kanary
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immune2irony Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 08:07 PM
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20. Genius?
He just reduces things to the most simplistic take possible. I know that's his style, but this is only a little better than reading something by a jaded teenager.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:04 PM
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21. Simplistic?
Hardly.
Maybe some of the nuance and subtlety is lost on you.
Or maybe you confuse concise as simplistic.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 12:01 AM
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22. kick
x
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 10:42 AM
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25. Thank you so much for this link.
Vonnegut is one of my heros. Thanks. :toast:
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-13-04 06:41 PM
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28. A true American
hero.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 06:32 AM
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30. has everybody read it?
there will now be a quiz.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:38 PM
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33. I love Kurt Vonnegut. Indianapolis loves Kurt! The world loves.....
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-14-04 07:46 PM
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34. Absolutely love Vonnegut!
Will we see another book?

And, someone should make a *good* film adaptation of The Sirens Of Titan.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 09:35 AM
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35. Kick
:kick:

Great piece!
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-15-04 10:51 AM
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38. kick
:kick:
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