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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:25 AM
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American Tragedy: Political Division, Blame and the Meaning of Murder
Edited on Wed May-12-04 11:30 AM by BurtWorm
If I could wish a book into existence this second, that would be the title of it. I would also wish for assistance from the muses to express the complexity of my thoughts about the Berg murder and other war crimes as simply and effortlessly as possible.

Like Raven, I'm disturbed by the mob mentality here, the rush to judgment--extreme judgment--based on the little pieces of information we have about the circumstances of Nicholas Berg's death. But I don't think blame can easily be assigned for this state of affairs.

I don't blame the Bush administration alone and certainly not primarily for Berg's murder. I blame Zarqawi, al Qaeda, Wahhabbism, fundamentalism in general, etc., primarily for that, for creating the conditions in which a single human being is made to stand for "the enemy," for being sick enough not only to commit this crime but to tape it and broadcast it, for being foolish or heartless enough to believe this murder really avenges American war crimes--as if a murder like this could really ever end any cycle of violence!

I do, however, blame the Bush admininstration and the Republicans in power for creating the conditions in which Zarqawi can act like a beast and come off in certain circles like a hero. Yes, the Democrats bear some responsibility for these conditions as well, mainly for not having the courage to stand up to the Republicans, and for not having the courage (maybe) to use all resources when they had the chance to to snap the spine of al Qaeda. But the Republicans are the party in power and holding the reins of American foreign policy. It's they who dreamt up this war in Iraq. It's the Bush administration that unaccountably let Zarqawi's group go at the beginning of the war, and that failed--even actively decided to fail, according to Jim Miklaszewski--to go after Zarqawi several times during the war (see this story). It's this administration whose creation of the conditions for the mistreatment of Muslim prisoners at Abu Ghraib--and not at Abu Ghraib alone, but in Afghanistan and Guantanamo and even in Brooklyn!--gave Zarqawi an excuse (however lame and phoney) to commit this murder.

And I do blame some members of DU for not stopping to think before they post.


PS: It's the Republicans, by the way--and this was the whole impetus behind my post--who created the conditions in which Americans would so mistrust their government that they would almost automatically assume it would commit a murder of an American citizen like this for political benefit. If the Republicans had not sunk to the level of throwing baseless charges about Clintonian evil in the last decade, if they hadn't sunk to the level of stealing elections by disenfranchizing Democratic voters, if they hadn't sunk to the level of lying shamelessly to have the war they were goingn to have anyway, would we be at this state now? I doubt it!
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:29 AM
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1. Thank you for posting this....
The rush to judgment around here has been scary.

Bush is responsible for many things, but the people that did this are truly sick mother fuckers and we should not forget that...
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:29 AM
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2. Some seem to forget ....
DU is a cross-section .... expect ALL kinds of personalities here ...

Trust me on this: you will find just as many stark raving lunatics on the other side as well ..

On ALL sides ...

Why ? .... because a certain percentage of the population, NO MATTER the political affiliation, are stark raving lunatics ...

Dont put much stock into it ... Raven's response was extreme, in that he (she) doesnt take this open forum into account as just another venue for human weakness ...

You cannot escape human ignorance ..
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:34 AM
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3. Believe me, I know there are sick motherfuckers on the other side.
Much sicker motherfuckers, in my opinion. I'm not posting this to scold anyone, just to note how awful the state of American discourse has become.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:38 AM
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4. Another perspective
I understand your anguish, but I really think you misunderstand the perspectives of those who are questioning the authenticity of the Nick Berg murder video.

Most people have been to squeamish to even see the video through; but almost everyone who has seen it through has the same reaction -- that it is a very obvious fakery of some kind. Not that this was done by Americans, not that the killing was justified by American treatment of Iraqis and not any other "rush to judgment."

It is just that the video is so bizarrely inauthentic that it raises very difficult questions about just what it represents.

As I have tried to do on the "rational analysis" thread, we can draw certain very firm conclusions about the video without rushing to a conspiracy theory judgment. Just look at the video from beginning to end, and I think you will change your mind.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:43 AM
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5. I certainly didn't mean to criticize that thread.
You clearly are looking calmly and rationally at the evidence and you don't seem to be drawing any conclusions. I'm reacting to an overall tendency to downplay horror over an innocent person's murder because of where one stands politically. This is the state of things in the US: we don't have honest, straightforward reactions anymore. Everything is mediated by our political stance. Of course being at DU may influence my feeling, and it may not be as global as I'm making it out to be. But it's certainly true here and at other political sites that you can't just have a human reaction. You have to know which reaction to assume, depending on your political leaning.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:43 AM
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6. Wrong ...
I saw the video (How horrific it is) ...

It appeared QUITE genuine, and it seems to be consistent with other acts of horror perpetrated by brutal religious extremists ....

Speculation does not equal fact ...
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 11:49 AM
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7. Please just..
Please just review it and follow the time stamp. Why does the execution occur 11 hours after the knife is pulled out of the killers clothing?
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 12:04 PM
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8. The images speaks for themselves ....
such stamps can easily be explained ... We cannot ignore the LARGE fact of the consistency of this action with prior acts committed by similar groups, by focusing on easily explained minutae which manifest only a small element of the whole picture ...

As a secular humanist, I have always desiped religious extremism ... this stuff is nothing new ...
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DarthReagan Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 02:12 PM
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10. Time stamps, for instance
Why does the execution occur 11 hours after the knife is pulled out of the killers clothing?

Clearly the tape was edited. Perhaps the time stamps were from different cameras, which don't have to be set to the same time.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-12-04 01:09 PM
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9. kick
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