In the Berg video, did they actually SHOW his head being sawed off?

[Catherine Vincent]

I told my bf about the video and that I wouldn't watch it. I read off a lot of the messages to him from DU and he asked if the video actually showed his head being cut off. I said I don't know, I'll ask. I'm, guessing my bf thinks it may have been a con job to help Bush.

[MissRegina]

1. Yep...

In all the gory detail.

:scared:

[Reverend_Smitty]

2. yes they do

Its really sick

[lovedems]

3. Showed the entire thing. I don't think he knew it was coming.

I really wish I hadn't watched it. The image has been playing over and over in my head.

They show the entire thing and then hold his head up for the camera.

[madmax]

4. Unfortunately, yes

they cut his head off and hold it aloft.

The thing that pisses me off, beyond the obvious is that the US could have gotten this kid home. :cry:

[rumguy]

5. yes

but the video I saw was pretty grainy, others say it was crystal clear, I have a mac so :shrug:

[Walt Starr]

6. Yep, I wouldn't call it "cut off"

It was more like "hacked off over several minutes". Think of taking a dullish knife to a cardboard box. Sorta like "sawed off".

[MissRegina]

8. Good Description

That's an excellent way to describe it.

As awful as it sounds, I might have been able to stomach this a little better if it had been quick--but these terrorists had to really hack away for a couple of minutes to get it completely cut off.

Feeling nauseous again...This is terrible!

:scared:

[Az]

7. Yes but there is an edit in the film

When Berg is thrown down they go at him with the knife. The camera goes chaotic and blurs out. When focus returns the man with the knife has changed and the decapitation continues in full.

[mourningdove92]

11. I had not noticed that. But I believe I will take your word for it.

don't really care to see it again.
Any thoughts on why the person changed?

[Az]

16. Only wild speculation

If they were going to fake a decapitation they would need an active victim before the beheading. Then they would have to swap the real person for the fake body which they then decapitate. When the camera goes blurred would be the ideal location to do the swap. The person acting as the victim would appear to resist until the the swap and then after the switch the attackers would provide all the motion to the fake body while the fake head is hacked off.

The only reason I can think of that such a subterfuge would be used is that these are not the people that killed Berg. They are simply people trying to inflame the public opinion on the matter even further.

Again this is wild speculation. We have a horrible video that creates an emotional reaction. It is difficult to keep one's mind about oneself while watching what you believe to be the brutal murder of a fellow human being. It is sickening. But such things can be faked. It can be manipulation. I honestly do not know which it is at this point.

[Bread and Circus]

23. I see the switch...and frankly I think it's because it took a while

to cut through the spine, maybe several minutes and
it probably made them look ineffectual. Cutting through
bone and ligament is tough to do. The first murderer
may have gotten tired or frustrated and the second came in
to finish the job. Also, the second may have wanted a "hand"
in the killing and took over for personal and vindictive reasons.

I don't think this switch makes it a fake.

Actually, I have watched it several times and when you blow
up the video to full screen size you can see and active pool
of blood filling the floor.

I think it is very real.

I think people trying to convince themselves it is a fake
are wrong.

[Bread and Circus]

25. No, that's not accurate, the switch occurs later...

after the head is nearly severed.

[napi21]

9. The other thing is the audio.

You hear the stifeled scream at the first slash of the knife. I'm not much of a conspiracy therist, and I did look at the video to see if I believed it was real. I suppose lots of things are able to be done in this day of technology, but I do think this one is real.

[newsguyatl]

12. the scream is what made me cringe

to hear that death scream, the shock, the pain, the gasping and gurgling for air as they began. it was just simply horrifying. words can't describe, so i won't even try.

[rumguy]

14. I hear ya - I can still hear that poor guy's scream

the utter shock and helplessness in that scream...it's just beyond all words...

[nonconformist]

26. In the video I saw the audio doesn't match up with the video

The audio appears to be ahead of the video by a few seconds at least. In fact, at first I thought when the screaming started it was someone off-camera because nothing matched up.

The screaming is very haunting. :scared:

[Gildor Inglorion]

10. How horrible....

I can hardly bear to READ about it, much less watch the video. I'm afraid things are going to get a lot worse before they start getting better.

[Mike Niendorff]

13. And the trek back toward the middle ages continues.

barbarism, insanity, cruelty and sadism, slithering into a vicious circle of regeneration and amplification.


MDN

[TroubleMan]

15. There's no blood and the tape skips from one time to another...twice

Kill Bill was much more violent..


I don't know what to believe. I think terrorist did this, but I have to question...it's our duty as Americans to question everything.

[grasswire]

18. I don't think what happens is clear...

...or perhaps I saw a different version of the video.

In what I saw, the screaming starts before Berg is actually on the ground. I saw them working for a couple of moments (not minutes) and never saw them hold a head aloft. It cuts from the alleged sawing (and I saw no blood -- one would expect a LOT of blood) to a view of the head sitting on top of the upright body. As if the body is propped up and the head has been placed back on. Eyes closed, mouth closed.

I wonder if there are different versions floating around. Could someone put a link here to the version where the head is held aloft?

[Catherine Vincent]

19. My bf has questions about this too.

I told him the video should still be up tomorrow. He'll judge for himself.

[MrSlayer]

21. You do see the blood pouring out of his headless trunk at the end.

After they put the head down on top of his back.

[Bread and Circus]

24. There is a lot of blood, you can see it if you watch the video

full screen.

Like I've said elsewhere in this thread, this killing
seems very real.

[TroubleMan]

27. I did watch it , several times and saw no blood

I put it to full screen and zoomed in. I didn't see any blood. The video very bad quality, so it's really hard to tell.

I figured with a beheading, especially, a slow one, it would be gushing everywhere. The guy who did the cutting has clean hands.


I think that anti-American forces did do this (the guys were too fat to be our black ops guys). They beheaded him off tape, and then staged this for effect, either to shock us or insult us.

It was definitely retaliation, but still staged somewhat.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. I appreciate the info and will relay the messages.

But I think my bf is wrong. I don't believe it was a staged event. Why would Berg agree to be a part of something like that and worry his parents, no less. As far as the screams, I can only imagine what they sound like. Ever since I saw this french movie where a rape took place (no cut for 10 long minutes), it actually seemed like the real thing (including the screams).

[Az]

22. Supposition

Berg was already dead. But a simple murder did not generate enough attention in this war. Whatever parties that wanted more anger created the tape. This could be independent parties such as Chalabi or it could be someone else.

This is just wild speculation in the absense of confirmed evidence.

[MrSlayer]

20. Yes they do.

And they hold it up like a trophy at the end.