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Edited on Sun May-09-04 07:29 PM by Marianne
I do not buy the "only following orders" schtick. NOr do I buy the
"brain washing/training caused them to become animals schtick either.
If this one person could have a conscience or some sense of morality, the other who was involved in the tortures, could certainly have had the same.
They succumbed to the
Bush violence propaganda for some reason.
That reason will be left to the historians or the psychologists to ponder and to analyze. I cannot understand it.
Whatever, there is NO excuse for it that I can adopt as an excuse for it all. I see not a one.
Therefore I cannot support the troops who did this, and also those who may not have been directly involved but who nevertheless did nothing much to stop it or who simply stood by and enjoyed watching/photographing it.
They were the criminal voyeurs who were not willing to admit that what was gong down was a crime against humanity. A war crime.
It is truly not an incident that is worthy of making excuses for.
There can be few excuses--the troops participating in this, were not blind and deaf robots and if the claim is that they were in some sense, like robots, mesmerized by the psychological hypnotizing and therefore not responsible-- uh uh--I cannot buy that from people who were adults who willingly participated.
The notion that they were "following orders" does not do it for me. It is a piss poor excuse that did not work for the Nazi party and does not work here either.
This entire event and whatever is the result of the same, such as more abuse from other prisons, is totally animalistic and barbaric and not acceptable to me.
I cannot excuse it--and my fear is that those, such as Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney , Rice , and others not in the current government offices, such as Perle, will get away with it due to the corruption we have seen within our own system. They will never be indicted for these crimes.
What messge does that send to the citizens of the US, who are trying to raise another generation and teach them morals and ethics and how to maintain a soul?
The message is that if you are rich, you can literally get away with murder. So the striving is aimed at becoming rich. That in an of itself, as seen in the instance of the Enron debacle, is really criminal and not exactly compassionate toward the human race,
Nevertheless, Ken Lay, has seen no punishment at all.
So, the message, the immoral message, is clear.
Some will strive to grow their cildren to be competitors in this immoral quest. It is not admirable, imo.
There is NO reporting to the American people of the truth.
There is only propaganda written by the most mainstream publications or journalists that, in and of themselves, are striving to maintain their own lucrative salaries and do and cannot ever go against the grain or rock the boat--and they do NOT, and they SURVIVE and they are still rich even though they are not real journalists and they do not CARE if they are or not.
They NEED their lucrative salary and they need their trendy lifestyle.
It is entirely broken and it really would not surprise me much, if the media found a way to excuse Bush et al from any responsibility for this barbarism if it would benefit them also.
It will happen.
we do not have the smoking gun here--that gun that we hoped over and over, would be the downfall of an evil man who stole the presidency and who brought the country t9o two wars that were both failures]
He did not capture
Bin Laden and although Saddam has been captured, his capture means nothing.
Iraq is worse off under Bush than it was under Saddam
He lied, Bush lied and thousands were muredred --they had no9thing to do with any threats, false threats as we know now, toward the US on the part of the Iraqi civilian population, They were NOT armed to fight back
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