The difference between sex and rape

[babzilla]

Sex is a consensual act, rape is a violent assault.

It is quite disturbing that some don't seem to know the distinction.
Just a few examples:


US military confirms existence of horrific pictures and video
By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
09 May 2004

The Bush administration was bracing itself last night for the release of new pictures and video footage from Abu Ghraib which show US soldiers having sex with an Iraqi woman prisoner, troops almost beating a prisoner to death, and the rape of young boys by Iraqi guards at the jail.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=519448

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From the Taguba report

REGARDING PART ONE OF THE INVESTIGATION, I MAKE THE FOLLOWING SPECIFIC FINDINGS OF FACT:

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k. (S) A male MP guard having sex with a female detainee;

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/

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The War is Lost
Will Pitt

The worst, amazingly, is yet to come. A new battery of photographs and videotapes, as yet unreleased, awaits over the horizon of our abused understanding. These photos and videos, also from the Abu Ghraib prison, are reported to show U.S. soldiers having gang sex with an Iraqi woman, U.S. soldiers beating an Iraqi man nearly to death, U.S. troops posing, smirks affixed, with decomposing Iraqi bodies, and Iraqi troops under U.S. command raping young boys.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1562757

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WTF is going on here?

[2Design]

1. OT take action at amnesty site open letter to bush publish

Take action on story at http://www.amnestyusa.org/

open letter to bush from amnesty
usa admin has received many reports over the last two years.

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=77EC1B8868C9828F80256E8D0041F7B5
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=B04794EDFE431D1885256E8D0051A241

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

2. Sex with a prisoner is by definition non consensual. Therefore this

"gentle language" won't do, even if the woman did not appear to be tied down or beaten. Sad and awful as it is though, we need to see these pics/videos to judge for ourselves. How can we trust any of what is told from the admin now.

[babzilla]

9. actually we don't need to see pics/videos to know it is rape

You are right when you say that by definition it is a non-consensual act.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. Might as well be a knife as opposed to a penis.

Because psychologically it is. It's the equivalent of saying "consensual rape." :wtf:

[meow2u3]

12. "Consensual rape"?! Isn't that the same as.....

compassionate conservative? :o

[babzilla]

21. a rapist will use any weapon available

penis, broomstick, chemlite, toilet plunger, etc.

No matter the weapon, it is an act of violent domination that has nothing whatsoever to do with sex.

[Deja Q]

4. Iraqi guards molesting little boys? Why would the US allow that?

Iraqi guards raping young boys?! :wtf: The US folks in charge allowed that? !!! Why? I smell another rat...

Now to digress:

Sex is between two consenting adults... when those adults aren't partnered with anyone else.

Rape is when someone gets hurt, emotionally, mentally, and/or physically when unauthorized sex takes place. Maybe even so far as to say that when one person has consentual sex with another but is partnered, that person is emotionally raping her/his partner.

[seabeyond]

5. good for you for bringing this out

i was yelling about this on another thread. what is this shit calling it sex what happened to these women. RAPE

[babzilla]

18. the connotation being

when it happens to a woman she is a willing participant, when it happens to a boy it is a matter of assault.

I thought, perhaps mistakenly, that we were beyond all this. Maybe it depends on what she was wearing.:shrug:

[seabeyond]

23. look how they use women

there should be yelling using women in gitmo to strip fondle self in front of muslim man to shame him and smear menstraul blood on the man

every woman should be outraged.

every woman should be yelling

and any man with a daughter

this is our government, that took a woman and had her do this with her body.

what is it scalia said with the dead constitution
women know your place all know your place, white man is the boss, always has been always will be

[Spazito]

6. I find it appalling that US soldiers have "sex" while Iraqis "rape"

this is a disgusting attempt to mitigate the fact that the US soldiers raped the women and are no better than the Iraqis that raped young boys. Until that truth is accepted by the US media and the public the outrage of the world will continue to grow.

Edited to take out the word "forced" in my header as it has been correctly pointed out that it was not used in the examples given)

[babzilla]

11. there is not even the qualifier of "forced"

in the examples I have given.

[Ms. Clio]

7. "US soldiers having sex with an Iraqi woman prisoner"

Not only rape, but gang rape.

The weasel words on this make me sick, too.

[Gingersnap]

8. I saw the photo, it was gang rape

I saw the photo of this (one of the ones not shown on CBS--I saw it on-line it was linked to one of these threads a few days ago) and wish I hadnt. The photo depicted one or more (can't remember) soldiers holding her head and forcing her to have oral sex, while a second group held her legs as another sodomized her. All the soldiers had their pants off-it was clear they were taking turns. Another photo showed soldiers holding the same woman's face over two penises, forcing her to lick them. It was utterly disgusting. No one who sees these photos (if inded the world ever does) could think they were of anything but violent rape.

[Ms. Clio]

13. Christ I hope I don't ever see that

It's chickenshit of me, I know, but I don't think I can look at one more awful photo--there's the one with the dogs today, and god only knows what horrors yet to come.

[Skittles]

25. I'm with you, meluseth

it distresses me a great deal the idea that soon I may catch even a glimpse of them. That being said, yes, they should be made available.

[Ms. Clio]

27. Certainly all of it should be made available--every damning bit of it

[AussieInCA]

14. Photos need to be released, just check the freepers out. it wasnt rape

they are already seeding the doubt, all the more reason it all gets released.

[babzilla]

28. no doubt: weasel words oppress

hey meluseth, lately we often end up on the same threads. :hi:

[Ms. Clio]

29. exactly--like calling torture "humiliation" or "frat pranks"

Hi there Babzilla, I've noticed that, too--always know I'm in good company, then.

:hi:

[SarahB]

10. They're using language as a tool

to whitewash what was really done. Of course if was rape and the actions of these men (yes, most of them are men) will leave a stain on all of America for years to come.

[Karenina]

15. Language really does count.

She is nothing more than an Ali-Baba sand nigger, why is everyone getting so upset about a fews boys "blowing off steam?" :cry:

[babzilla]

19. so true SarahBelle

rhetoric matters.

a kick for the muthas.

:kick:

[name not needed]

16. According to the Bushies,

its not rape! Its suprise sex!

[KayLaw]

17. In all fairness

Graham did say rape and murder in the tapes. Also, the Boston Herald said rape.

I don't want to see the picture either but think copies of it should plastered everywhere so we can see what the government is doing with our tax dollars.

[babzilla]

20. Yes, Lindsey Graham did characterize the charges as felonious.

On MTP this morning he went out of his way to emphasize that the preponderance of evidence points to acts of rape and murder.

Good for him.

As a rumoured closeted gay republican he probably has a good understanding of the power of words.

[MidwestMomma]

22. Off topic: Does anyone else think they should 'blur' the victims faces?

I think we could at least try to perserve their anomynity. At least the pictures with the hoods, the victims could choose whether to come forward or not. If the picture of the women being raped as described in this thread become public domain, does it serve a purpose to show her face? Just wondering other people's opinion on this.

Also, thanks for the post...I get steamed everytime I read that line about the soldier 'having sex' with the Iraqi female prisoner. What complete bullshit!

[babzilla]

24. It is a common journalistic rule to protected the anonymity

of rape survivors.

I believe that the pics referred to up thread are actually staged porno that were published before the war in Iraq.

Hopefully when the real pics are released they will respect the anonymity of those who were attacked no matter the gender, no matter the nationality of the perps.

[FizzFuzz]

26. golly its sure a good thing the lid got blown off this

when pics of that woman torturing men got out--otherwise the news of wholesale rape and torture of women and children might get swept under the carpet, just like it does in every era, decade, year, week, day.

Who was it that said "Women's suffering doesn't matter"? Audre Lord? Alice Walker? I can't remember.

[corporatewhore]

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