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DarkSim Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:06 AM
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Uhh, can someone explain this?
Edited on Sun May-09-04 09:08 AM by DarkSim
Go to:
http://bushpresident2004.com/bush-economy.htm

Then explain to me what the hell they mean with the part headed "Taking the reigns". It just seems to me that in the article it is bluntly stating that the federal deficit is good for america.

Okay, it's a pro bush site and is probably not very accurate, but i would still like to know what they are trying to argue.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:12 AM
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1. They can't bring themselves to say "CLINTON"

snip
"Under the policies of a different president following George H.W. Bush from 1993 to 2001, the government reduced taxes for lower-income families and raised taxes on the wealthy. Many predicted economic disaster, but annual deficits turned into annual surpluses which were used to pay down the colossal debt.
end snip

but it's propoganda

"there are les, damn lies and statistics"
S.L. Clemens

don't look for explanations from either side, both have agendas
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:17 AM
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4. Can't Say Clinton's Name & Evoke Reagans Name...
...They took the "Reigns" and the horse has run out of control....
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Captain Absolut Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:12 AM
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2. I'm no writer
But that is biting sarcasm if I've ever seen it. It's not pro-Bush. It's anti-Bush...I think...
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:17 AM
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3. Check out the support our troops page
Edited on Sun May-09-04 09:22 AM by achtung_circus
I've read further. It's an interesting site, the deeper you get the more the gloves come off. I've never seen it before, os it new?

edit: text & spelling
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:34 AM
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10. WOW -ARE YOU SURE ITS A BUSH CHENEY SITE?
????????????


http://bushpresident2004.com/troops.htm

Either this is a joke site against Bush/Cheney or some Hacker has gotten on and put the REAL emails from the frontlines....they hate Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld! (or the Bush/Cheney folks are so delusional that they are doing random live streams of email from troops on the frontlines of Iraq thinking falsely that they are positive)

My favorite emails posted from troops are:"I came into this war hoping to rid the world of an evil man, Saddam Hussein. Once accomplished, I now find myself confined and surrounded by the post-war chaos and anger of a people without direction and begging for leadership. I see their pain and realize that at this time I am part of their pain."
Major Matthew Jennings, 82nd Airborne Division, U.S. Army, in Iraq

Confirmed Casualties
As of May 6, 2004
Coalition soldiers killed in Iraq:
870
American soldiers wounded in Iraq:
4133*
American soldier suicides in Iraq:
24
Source Casualty List
*In April 2004, the Defense Department revised its counting method of wounded soldiers to show a smaller total than previously reported.

"If Donald Rumsfeld were here, I'd ask him for his resignation," as told to ABC's Good Morning America.
Anonymous Officer, U.S. Army, in Iraq

"It pretty much makes me lose faith in the Army ... I don't really believe anything they tell me. If they told me we were leaving next week, I wouldn't believe them," as told to ABC News.
Private First Class Jason Punyhotra, 3rd Infantry Division, U.S. Army in Fallujah, Iraq

"The Army is strained and stressed ... The last time we had people doing combat tours every other year was Vietnam ... The impact on soldiers and families was great. A lot of good junior officers and mid-grade NCOs walked. This decimated the rising leadership and broke the force."
General John Keane, U.S. Army

"Somewhere down the line, we became an occupation force in eyes. We don't feel like heroes any more ... We are outnumbered. We are exhausted. We are in over our heads. The President says, 'Bring 'em on.' The generals say we don't need more troops. Well, they're not over here."
Private Isaac Kindblade, 671st Engineer Company, U.S. Army, in Iraq

Bring 'em on.
President Bush
Speaking of those attacking U.S. troops
July 2, 2003

"I've got my own 'Most Wanted' list ... The aces in my deck are Paul Bremer, Donald Rumsfeld, George Bush and Paul Wolfowitz," as told to ABC News.
Anonymous Sergeant, U.S. Army, in Iraq

"For the last six months I have participated in what I believe to be the great modern lie: Operation Iraqi Freedom ... I once believed that I served for a cause: 'to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.' Now I no longer believe that; I have lost my conviction, as well as my determination. I can no longer justify my service for what I believe to be half-truths and bold lies."
Tim Predmore, 101st Airborne Division near Mosul, Iraq


Pfc. Joseph Dwyer
" vent to anyone who will listen. They write letters, they cry, they yell. Many of them walk around looking visibly tired and depressed.... We feel like pawns in a game that we have no voice ."
Anonymous Officer, U.S. Army, in Iraq

"I wasn't particularly impressed with anything he came up with," referring to President Bush's September 23, 2003 speech to the U.N. regarding progress in Iraq.
Staff Sergeant Jason Dungan, 4th Infantry Division, U.S. Army in Tikrit, Iraq

"We've been out here for six months, and it looks like we're going to be here for another six months more ... That's it. It's a done deal, so nothing he says makes a blind bit of difference to us," referring to President Bush's September 23, 2003 speech to the U.N. regarding progress in Iraq.
Anonymous Soldier in Tikrit, Iraq

"Most soldiers would empty their bank accounts just for a plane ticket home," in a letter to Congress.
Anonymous Soldier, U.S. Army, in Iraq

"Make no mistake, the level of morale for most soldiers that I've seen has hit rock bottom."
Anonymous Officer, 3rd Infantry Division, U.S. Army, in Iraq

"I have never seen in almost 14 years of Army experience anything that callous," recounting an incident when two Army doctors refused to treat three Iraqi children severely burned by explosives. "After today, I wonder if I will still be able to carry the title 'soldier' with any pride at all."
Sergeant David J. Borell, U.S. Military Police in Balad, Iraq

"I cannot say that was to prevent terrorism. I cannot find a single good reason for having been there and having shot at people and having been shot at ... This war should not be paid with the blood of American soldiers."
Staff Sergeant Camilo Mejia, Florida National Guard, served in Ramadi, Iraq
(Sergeant Mejia decided to go AWOL when on leave from Iraq, turned himself in, and is currently applying for conscientious-objector status.)

"I signed up to defend my country, not carry out acts of aggression ... They are exploiting the events of September 11, based on greed and our need for oil."
Private Jeremy Hinzman, 504th Parachute Infantry Regiment, U.S. Army
(Private Hinzman is a veteran of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and refuses to serve in Iraq. He currently seeks refugee status in Canada with his family.)



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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:21 AM
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5. "Okay, it's a pro bush site "
It reminds me of the old saying, "With friends like that, who needs enemies?".

That article is anything BUT flattering to the chimp.

The last line about staying the course with *, seems to be tongue in cheek to me.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:23 AM
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6. with friends like that who needs enemas nt
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:24 AM
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7. the guy links to counterpunch
it's hardly a pro-bush site, and the quotes along the side aren't exactly flattering ones for the "president"
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:28 AM
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8. HELLO??? It's satire!
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:30 AM
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9. it is an antiBush site
but cleverly disguised as proBush

--at the bottom of some of the pages, in small print, it says, "This material has been reproduced in an effort to encourage critical thought on the record of the Bush Administration." The sources cited at the end of the pages contain many antiBush writers, such as Will Pitt (see the PNAC page).
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:36 AM
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11. A great site! Hopefully lots of Repukes will go there!
...and get a dose of reality....if they can handle it!
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James T. Kirk Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 09:47 AM
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12. "Reins" vs. "Reigns"
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:02 AM
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13. definitely satire, but well disguised. Very clever.
To counter baseless fears of the Patriot Act, Attorney General Ashcroft went on a 16-city tour of the nation in the summer of 2003 to discuss the true nature of the legislation and how it protects, not harms, our freedom. At each city, Ashcroft met privately with local law enforcement away from public view, refused to take follow-up questions from reporters, made sure protesters were placed in so-called "free-speech zones" further away from the premises than Bush Administration supporters, and had police sharpshooters train their weapons on protesters for their own safety.

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