Did Richard Perle Just Say "I'm A Democrat"???????

[matcom]

:wtf:

did i hear that right?

:wtf:

[Mika]

1. Yes. I heard it

:puke: :puke:


I feel soiled. I thihk I need another shower.

[pearl]

4. Har Deee Har Har Har!

I would say he's a Wolf in sheeps clothes if that is
what he said, I must admit I had already jumped from
C-Span. My nerves just couldn't take this creep.

Very icky indeed. :puke:

[matcom]

5. i thought i needed another cup of coffee

now i'm not so sure i wanna wake up at all

[Renew Deal]

29. I think he is if I remember correctly

Pretty funny

[ithacan]

2. someone needs to ask him which democrats he has voted for...

did he vote for Gore? did he vote for Clinton?

What bullshit!

[diamond14]

3. perle said he worked for Scoop Jackson, and therefore, WAS a

Democrat....

perle is a depraved LIAR....he lies about EVERYTHING...perle is the devil himself...the chief architect of the present Iraq debacle....without perle, this might not have happened....


IMO, this is just ONE of many bald-faced lies told by perle today...

[hippywife]

6. Given the kind of Dem leadership

we have in Oklahoma, both in D.C. and in state, it wouldn't surprise me a bit.

We've got one Dem State Senator who is holding up implementation of the ban on cock-fighting that was on the 2000 ballot. He also thinks rapists should be castrated. Odd that a Dem would want to bring Sharia law to the United States and probably is too dumb to see the irony of that.

We are just rife with Dems down here that are clearly no better than our Rep reps.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. BULLSHIT!

He's no more a Democrat than Tom Delay is. What the hell is he up to, I wonder?

[eyesroll]

9. "Hm, wow, we've got ourselves in quite a pickle here. How do we blame

the Democrats? Aw, hell -- let Perle take the heat..."

[eyesroll]

8. You know, if you do a search for "Perle" on PNAC's web site, you get

17 hits.

"core objection to the treaty, brilliantly summarized by Richard Perle"
"leading conservative strategists and thinkers, including: Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle"
"A number of leading conservatives Jeane Kirkpatrick, Richard Perle"

...and these are just the search summaries...

[matcom]

10. nice search

you know what i hate? when he is on CSPAN they use the title: "American Enterprise Institute"

i wish just once they would title him: "NEOCON AND MEMBER OF PNAC"

[matcom]

11. he just said Chalabi should be in charge of Iraq

yeah right Dick we are paying that fucker $300k+ every month and he has done NOTHING but LIE for this war

:puke:

[LittleApple81]

13. Perle is just a sick individual: no PARTY allegiance.POCKET allegiance.

And the repugs serve him better.

[pinto]

12. heard him mention last year he maintains Dem registration in memory

of Scoop Jackson, who was his mentor....?

[DEM FAN]

14. Well Zell Miller Is A Democrat To. Perle Is A Zell Miller Democrat.

:puke:

[matcom]

15. yet another grave i'll get to piss on someday

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

17. nice

You always put things in the nicest perspective.

[matcom]

18. LOL

i'm stocking up iced tea cause that list is getting longer by the day

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

16. Can we sue for defamation of character?

I mean, seriously, this is the most insulting thing I've heard all day. No WAY that fucker can be in any of the same categories as me. I even shudder to think people call him a "human" like they do me.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. There is a very conservative branch of the Democratic Party...

...known as the "Blue Dog" Democrats. Here's a listing;

<http://www.house.gov/tanner/blue.htm>

The website claims that the "Blue Dogs" consist of moderate to conservative Democrats, but I failed to note a single moderate on their listing. Bud Cramer is my rep in Alabama, and IMHO, he's a Republican in all but name.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

19. He's a Lieberman/Scoop Jackson style of Democrat...

...NeoCon to the dore.

[vetwife]

20. I tried to call in and say on Mothers Day...Biggest Mother I know !

All of theose NEOCONS as I understand it, uesed to be Dems or still use the title to disenfranchise the true dems. Machavelian !
Yeah Look at Zell. What a joke !

[MoonRiver]

21. He building his defense case for the upcoming Hague trials.

:mad:

[suegeo]

22. At one time, neo-cons were liberals

Back in the cold war, the neo-cons were called anti-communist liberals. They were obsessed with stopping communists and they were democrats. Many came out of Columbia UNIV, in New York, back in the 1960s.

However, they were/are nuts. So, someone sane gave them the nickname "neo-con" as an insult. (that is, you neo-cons are more like conservatives than the left would like, hence the slur)

Jeane Kirkpatrick was once a democrat, but she sold us out, and went republican (and ate Nicaragua for lunch one day back in the big 80s.)

Don't get me wrong, I think Dick Perle is gross, and I don't claim him in my party, no way. But technically, the neo-cons got their start in the Democratic party.

It's just that the more sane people in my parent's generation saw that the neo-cons were nuts and losers, and disowned the group called neo-cons. Once disowned, the neo-cons over took the party of Pat Buchanan (a paleo-con)

At one time Senator Dan Patrick Moynihan (SP?) of New ork was a part of this group of killer douche bags, but he realized what a bunch of boobs they were. He went back to the democratic base, and told the neo-cons they were looney for obsessing on communism. Instead, DPM told 'em to concentrate on terrorism...

The kook/killer Elliot Abrams and his yucky family belong to the neo-cons. etc, etc

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. I'm sorry, but NONE of the people you mentioned have ever been...

..."liberal" in any sense of the word. They are hard-core conservatives, nothing less.

Maybe you're equating Democrat with the term liberal, and if so, you've swallowed the NeoCon propaganda designed to marginalize the Democratic Party.

[suegeo]

27. No, I read a history book

I agree with you that the neo-cons are today's conservatives (i would actually label them fascists, but why argue).

But today's conservatives have not always been what is traditionally called a "conservative"

The people I wrote about were at one time liberals, according to the history I have read. (well, ok maybe not elliot abrams. He was too young to be very influential during the early the days of the cold war. He is more like a first generation neo-con. But his mother and father in law practically gave birth to neo-conism --The podhertz's????)

I returned the books about this topic to the library, so I don't have the titles exactly correct, but one of them was titled something like "The rise of the neoconservatives" The book explained how neo-conservatives were "born" And they were born out of the group labelled anti-communist liberals.

If I find the book title and author, I'll add it to this post.

Don't shoot the messenger, but I'm pretty sure my facts are correct in my earlier post.

These douche bags scared the shit out of me, and I wondered where they came from. So I read a few books and articles, and came up with what I posted.

Nobody it seems wants to have these losers as part of "their group" Pat Buchanan doesn't want them, and traditional liberals don't want them.

ON EDIT:
The name of the history book is:
The Rise of Neoconservatism: intellectuals and foreign affairs, 1945-1994
by John Ehrman
New Haven: Yale Unversity Press copyright 1995

[LoZoccolo]

28. That's right.

Neo-con foreign policy at it's base is liberal foreign policy - interventionism, the idea that we have a responsibility to intervene in the affairs of other countries. Historically, the conservative position has been more isolationist - this idea that we shouldn't get involved in what goes on in the rest of the world. I don't completely disagree with PNAC - real staid isolationists would allow things like Iraq's invasion of Kuwait to happen, or dictators to commit atrocities. What I do disagree with is the disrespect for our multilateral institutions that keep us accountable for how and why we intervene, and the idea that force can somehow substitute for influence.

[GoldenOldie]

24. One Label Fits Pearle, and CoHorts

We had a 3rd Party all along and didn't know it the PROFITEER Party. Wonder what color would apply????

[Wapsie B]

26. So when the heat is turned up,

label oneself as Dem thereby attempting to deflect criticism from the gop.

[starroute]

30. The Scoop Jackson connection is highly significant

Jackson was one of the biggest Vietnam hawks at the time. According to the second story linked below, his staff members included Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and Elliott Abrams, and he also had a close relationship with Paul Wolfowitz. This explains a lot about where the neocons came from.


http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/J/JacksoHM.html

Henry Martin "Scoop" Jackson 1912–83, American political leader, b. Everett, Wash. As a Democratic member of the U.S. House of Representatives (1941–53) and as Senator (1953–83) he was a supporter of organized labor, civil rights, the emigration of Soviet Jews, and a strong defense posture. He differed from many of his Democratic colleagues in his outspoken support of the Vietnam War. Jackson had a considerable impact on the conservative turn of politics in the 1970s and 80s, both through his own policy statements, and through the influence of his supporters and staffers, many of whom later supported President Ronald Reagan.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2001834779_jackson12m.html

But exactly how the popular Democratic senator from Everett is remembered depends on which part of his career you focus on: his passion for conservation or his reputation as one of the most strident Cold Warriors of either political party.

These days, it's mostly the latter, to the chagrin of some of Jackson's more liberal supporters.

But it's easy to understand why Jackson's hawkish views are suddenly in vogue: Many of the young aides who were drawn to work for Jackson in the 1970s because of his unwavering opposition to the Soviet Union now help shape the Bush administration's foreign policy.

At one time, these Jackson Democrats advocated building more nuclear weapons in an effort to hobble world communism. Many have since joined the Republican Party and rally around new foreign-policy buzzwords: "regime change."