Let's demand the press answer the question: Bush knew what, when?

[DeepModem Mom]

And make it clear to the people, not only in print but on television news.

Link to Calimary's media list:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1413842#

[anarchy1999]

1. Do you really believe anyone cares? Not at this point.

We still don't have a "blue dress". The only way is when we ring their phones off their respective walls and desks!!

Edit: "What is the definition of is"

Can we define crimes against humanity now? Seems simple to me, but then again, what do I know?

[DeepModem Mom]

4. I just want the protective wall erected around Bush himself broken down --

Rummy, so far, is as far up as anyone is going with blame for this. Lindsey Graham, for example, who has been pretty strong on the torture issue, always adds that Bush himself was angry he wasn't informed. I don't buy that. Dana Bash reported yesterday as a CNN WH correspondent that Bush called Rummy on the carpet for not informing him. I don't buy that. (Maybe he was mad about the pictures, but not about the practices themselves.) I want the press to take responsibility -- and I know I will probably be disappointed -- as the Wash Post did with Watergate, to investigate, find the truth, and tell it to the American people, in a clear, understandable way. Bush should not be protected from consequences for this horrendous scandal because our free press does not do the job it's meant to do in our system.

[anarchy1999]

9. I agree with you absolutely 100%! I am tired, so tired of hearing

WATERGATE! I want to hear IRAN-CONTRA CRIMINAL HEARINGS, BUSH I PARDONS OF SAID CRIMINALS. CRIMINALS NOW BACK IN THIS ADMINISTRATION, RUNNING THIS STATE. I want the criminals removed permanently. Just too much to hope for, I guess.

I WANT THE IRAN-CONTRA CRIMINALS REMOVED FROM MY GOVERNMENT! I PAY FOR THEM, THEY WORK FOR ME!

SAY IT WITH ME NOW AMERICA, The US, YOU ARE FIRED! NOW!! We the People are not going to wait for November to vote you out. You and your entire criminal administration are fired!

Maybe we could get the "Donald" to help. As in Trump. How Appropiate could that possibly be? "You're FIRED"!

The rest of the world might start to like the US again, you think?

[DeepModem Mom]

12. Paging "the Donald"!

I remember when NYC's Wollman ice-skating rink languished in disrepair forever, as the city and its contractors delayed and delayed, and Trump just got tired of it, and said he'd fix it, and within a couple of months my kids were skating on that beautiful Central Park rink, surrounded by the NYC skyline. He's got a lot of faults, but he gets things done. You're right -- if he could only fire Bush and Co.!

[anarchy1999]

13. Okay, so let's hire him to Fire Him!

Who else wants a piece of our new "reality" nightmare? Limited space available. I'll call Trump, will you?

Maybe this could be a good thing? .....

Anything is better than what we have! Perle on C-Span, Washington Journal, for Sunday Morning, Mothers Day, the 8th of May, 2004, this is as good as it gets? Perle for Mothers Day. Fk'jlkjj me. I just may have to toss the TV and Cable! Never Again!

[thecrow]

15. According to this, Bush WAS Informed

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2004/tr20040505-1427.html

Read down to General Pace's remarks.

[radfringe]

2. bush* invoked the Sgt. Shultz defense

..."I know nothing..."

does this sound familar??? it has an historical precedent....

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_050800_knownothingp.htm

KNOW-NOTHING PARTY
The American party of the 1850s derived its informal name from its members replying, when asked about their role, "I know nothing." The party was anti-Catholic and anti-immigrant. It grew out of the Order of the Star-Spangled Banner, a secret society apparently founded in New York City in 1849. In the wake of the collapse of the Whigs and the Democratic split over the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854 and 1855, its supporters won several offices, including mayor of Philadelphia and control of the Massachusetts legislature. Some northern Know-Nothings also sought to cooperate with antislavery forces not yet prepared to join an official Republican party.

When the Know-Nothing party endorsed the Kansas-Nebraska Act at its presidential nominating convention in 1856, northern members bolted. Southern members nominated former president Millard Fillmore of New York for president and Andrew J. Donelson of Tennessee for vice president. Most northern Know-Nothings tenuously supported the Republican candidate, John C. Frémont. Fillmore tried to distance himself from the party's nativist tendencies but carried only Maryland. The Know-Nothing party soon dissolved.

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meanwhile... If he didn't know why didn't he know it. Amazing what he doesn't know, isn't it?

** 9-11 --- I didn't know, and blames it on FBI
** WMDs don't exist --- I didn't know, and blames it on CIA
** Iraq Prison Torture --- I didn't know, and blames it on a few bad doers

one think is very clear -- bush doesn't know how to take responsibility

[DeepModem Mom]

5. And Bush is enabled as a "no-nothing" by the press and Rep. minions --

as he's been enabled all his life. It infuriates me, especially as we have now reached this new, sickeningly horrid level of wrongdoing. I hope one day to see him, at last, held accountable, for something.

[Drifter]

3. And more importantly ...

what did he do about it.

This thing has beeen around for 4 months. The only reason it is getting any attention is that it was leaked to the press.

Remember it is not the crime, it is the cover up. And in this case, the crime is pretty damning.

Cheers
Drifter

[DeepModem Mom]

6. Very good point, Drifter -- obviously, Bush did nothing -- (n/t)

[BeFree]

10. Happy Mothers day, Mom

Hate to do this, but I must correct you. * did do something.

He tried to cover it up. We have laws against that. Off the top of my head is the patriot act as an example of one law that was broken. He broke it, now he must fix it. The only way he can begin to fix it is by being tried for this high crime.

It's the cover up, stupid.
_{not you, Mom}

[DeepModem Mom]

11. Thank you, BeFree -- and you're right: covering up is SOMETHING!

[doni_georgia]

7. Everyone has such low expectations of Bush intellectually he can

get away with saying "I didn't know." This is how he got a free pass during the election. And it's how he is getting a free pass now. He can play dumb and make it sound like he knew absolutely nothing (although there are numerous pieces of evidence to the contrary), and the American press and the American people go, "Don't blame him, he didn't know." I'm sorry - I said it during Iran Contra and I will say it now. I don't give a rats ass if the president knew or not. It is his job to KNOW, and if he did - then he should be held responsible, and if he didn't - then he should be held responsible, because he is the Commander in Chief and it is his job to know. Either way it is gross negligence of duty!

[anarchy1999]

14. I didn't Know is Bush's mantra from many years past.

He has never been anything but a f' up. In every single thing he has ever done in his miserable life. G', please help us all.

Don't bless us, just save us.

[Oddman]

8. I'm with you on that . . .

I believe that Rummy said he told bush about the abuse and torture way back in January. The Red Cross reported about abuse and gross mistreatment of detainees back in June and July and they were ignored. Ultimately the responsibility rests with bush. It shows the lazy attitude this administration has had with any difficult situation, they basically ignore it and wait for the trouble to subside. It has worked so far which is why we should all call for bush to resign.

[DeepModem Mom]

16. Drudge now says "furious" Bush wants all pics --

Let's demand that the press hold BUSH himself accountable! Pictures or not, what did Bush know, when, and what, if anything, did he do about the abuse?