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TheWizardOfMudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:36 AM
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Nobody has talked about Rumsfeld choking up during his testimony
When a Senator was asking him about whether or not higher-ups should be fired, Rumsfeld started to speak, stopped, stared straight up in the air for a few seconds, and made his "I'll be damned if I'm going to look at that list (pointing to the timeline exhibit he brought with him} and say those guys didn't do a good job."

He was choking back tears. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:42 AM
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1. His tears were for his colleagues? What a frightening and soulless man.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:43 AM
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2. Actually, several here have mentioned it...
... and described his response as mostly crocodile tears.

This man is corrupt. He has no genuine tears for anyone or anything.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:44 AM
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3. I think that was one of the moments of realization
that he may face far more than just being shit canned

Did you notice when one of the senators said that this could not stop at stripes but had to go to those wearing Stars on their shoulders?

I swear, Smith, Shoomaker and Myers lost color.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:50 AM
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4. Tears eh?
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ja44s Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:50 AM
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5. Crocodile tears
Take a look at some of these images and tell me that 'choking back tears' would be an adequate response if these people were your sons, daughters, wives, husbands, mothers or fathers.

http://www.hiiraan.com/htdocs/2004/may/Ghraib/iraqi_pow.htm
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:12 AM
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6. The depraved animals should
be court martialed and spend a hell of a lot of time incarcerated for the rape and torture crimes they have committed. Those that have murdered should pay the highest price, life in prison or death. Their names should be made public just as anyone else who would commit such crimes.
Those in command should be held liable and pay dearly for allowing these acts to be committed. The only thing that would ameliorate the indignation and abhorence that the civilized world feels about this abomination is for the leader of this country, along with his cohorts and those in higher command to step down and live with the thought that their actions and inactions were responsible.
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:17 AM
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7. he's cracked..no two ways about..the man is crazy
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:48 AM
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8. I think his tears were for himself.
They were not tears for the tortured and murdered. They were not tears for the fate of the soldiers involved. I mean, if a relative or friend of mine did that, I would be crying for them, that they had betrayed their humanity. I would be crying out of fear of what would happen to them, too.

One of my brothers was convicted of a crime once. He got probation, but when I found out about it, I felt physically ill. I was worried about HIM, not about how it would reflect on me.

They were not for his country, either. He was not crying for our shame and vulnerability. He should have been, at the very LEAST, given his position and responsibilities. This makes us very vulnerable to attack, and to economic repercussions. Who will take us at our word in trade or treaty agreements? Who can trust us now? All this makes me ashamed, afraid and tearful, and I am just an ordinary person.

I saw a selfish man crying because he could not use his arrogance or glibness to lie his way out of this one. He was crying because he was caught.

Small children cry when they are caught. Very spoiled children cry when they do not get their own way. Bullies cry the hardest.

I have never thought the adults were in charge here. This just proves that neocons are nothing but a bunch of children acting up while the grownups are out.

These children have never had complete control of all three branches of government. Now that we see what happens when they do have it, it is time to send them to their rooms without supper. Let's make those rooms the kind with bars and locks.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:02 AM
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9. Sweet post.
"Small children cry when they are caught. Very spoiled children cry when they do not get their own way. Bullies cry the hardest.

I have never thought the adults were in charge here. This just proves that neocons are nothing but a bunch of children acting up while the grownups are out.

These children have never had complete control of all three branches of government. Now that we see what happens when they do have it, it is time to send them to their rooms without supper. Let's make those rooms the kind with bars and locks."

Thank you, murielm99.
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annagull Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 05:07 AM
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10. What a great post, anarchy!!
What the hell happened to the "real men" like John Wayne, Truman, etc.. Now our men in charge cry when they get caught. Gee, there's an ideal to look up to.....
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:48 AM
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13. oh yes, murielm, you hit it right on, his tears were for himself. n/t
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:21 AM
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11. sometimes you choke
when the truth is trying to come out

If he "didn't" know then why didn't he know? Is he incompetent and/or a break down of communcation within his department?

How long are we going to hear the Sgt. Shultz excuse from the White House?

the longer they claim "ignorance" the more it looks like a lack of leadership

bush* is running on a 'leadership' theme -- do we really want to follow someone that doesn't know what the hell is going on and where the hell he's going?

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 06:27 AM
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12. Bush?? a Leader?????? Bwahahahahahahaha, I would hate to follow him
anywhere much less in War. The mans a Fake and a Loser. The Pubs got conned, Brain washed.
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Ottmar Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:00 AM
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14. The director's cut couldn't be more pathetic ...
... than the live show on CNN.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:08 AM
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15. i mentioned it the other day
i didn't see any real tears falling, or wet eyes even. i think the whole thing looked like mike myers on 'coffee talk'.

"i can't go on, i'm all veklempt!" totally phony

the man has no human soul to cry with
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:21 AM
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16. You are correct, dear Sir!
Edited on Sun May-09-04 08:36 AM by anarchy1999
Totally! Nothing more need be said.

on edit:

I felt as though I have been transported back in time to the

IRAN-CONTRA Hearings.

The same people, testifying again, in front of our Congress. What is it going to take? Why are we letting this happen again. I am so confused right now! I don't want to have to fight this battle again. This is so wrong. (Sorry for the rant, so sorry).

I confess, I am tired of the fight. It's over 100 years of fighting. We are all tired. I look to Smedley Butler, Eugene Debs, Granny D, Mark Twain, Molly Ivins, Helen Thomas, Greg Palast and Robert Fist for my inspiration (and the list just goes on and on, Howard Zinn, Vincent Bugliosi, Howard Dean, Gore Vidal, just to name a few). Every time I start to feel like giving up, someone gives me the lift up and I know I don't get to quit.

I stand proud with everyone here! Including most of all, the true Democrate Candidate, Dennis Kucinich. He is the Dems best hope.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:31 AM
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17. If he was choking back real tears
they weren't tears of sorrow. They were tears of indignation at having to answer to Congress. The outrage lies in the fact that this leaked out, and they know more is to come. This administration has felt they were above the Constitution from the beginning. How dare those SOBs in Congress demand answers! Don't they know that this administration was hand picked by God! That's what those "tears" were folks.

I see this shit all the time as a teacher. I have a serious bully in my class who thinks he is right 100% of the time. When I really catch him and make him answer for what he has done, he always gets mad and cries, not because he is sorry, not because he has even been caught (he really doesn't give a shit about getting caught), he cries because he is pissed off that I would dare to get on to him (what makes me think I can tell him what to do!). This is the exact case here, folks, plain and simple.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 08:33 AM
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18. Rumsfeld is a warmonger and soul-less turd.
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