Should the public be allowed to buy RPG'S (Rocket Propelled Grenades)

[billbuckhead]

They've shown to be very effective in Iraq and Afghanistan. Will this be the next weapon that the unlimited rights to weapons crowd want to market? Where will the consumer arms race stop?

[bemildred]

1. Well, it's one way to de facto end the drug war. nt

[FeebMaster]

3. How would it end the drug war? (nt)

[bemildred]

5. Drug perps would be as well armed as the cops? nt

[FeebMaster]

8. They already are if they choose to be.

It's not like a little law against some gun is going to stop someone willing to break the drug laws from getting one.

[bemildred]

12. Odd, I don't hear much about such encounters in the News.

Do you think it's the drug perps fear of the law that stays
their hand?

[FeebMaster]

14. You hear about people shooting it out with the police all

the time. I don't think drug perps, as you call them, fear the law at all.

[bemildred]

15. Not with RPGs. You'd hear about RPGs, eh?

Big explosions, lots of dead cops,

[FeebMaster]

17. You said they'd be as well armed as the police.

The police don't currently use RPGs.

[bemildred]

19. OK, better armed. RPGs are the subject here. nt

[GiovanniC]

61. Well, If Drug Perps Are Using RPGs

The cops will too.

Then the drug perps will use bunker buster bombs with depleted uranium casings.

Then the cops will start using mini-nukes.

Then the drug perps will start using neutron bombs.

Then...

[skooooo]

2. Pacifist Bastards!!!

Pass the RPG!

[FeebMaster]

4. Technically, you can buy them now. (nt)

[7th_Sephiroth]

6. yes

now give me that MM1 with the airbursts

[madrchsod]

7. the next time someone in a big truck

runs up the back of my geo metro.....

[OpSomBlood]

9. A grenade is a destructive device and serves no other purpose.

A rifle is used for sport shooting and hunting.

Although I see where you are attempting to take this discussion.

[Kali]

27. serves the same purpose

as reality tv - ENTERTAINMENT

plus talk about a deterent! Man! Would those sons o'guns on orv's tearing up the country-side get a little taste of their own, if I had one of those....

[not systems]

10. If people can driver Hummers then...

why not?

[Heyo]

11. Think of the practical uses.....

You could use it knock a wall down to add an addition to your house...I've always wanted a sky light.

You could use it to light the bar-b-que grill....

You could win alot of arguments with it....

Think of the time you could save in rush hour traffic...

Dog keep crapping on your lawn? We'll just see about that.

You'll feel alot smarter and more handsome holding it. (I know I do)

:toast:

Heyo

[Ksec]

13. Oh sure

We can sell them right alongside the pocket nuclear devices.

[iamjoy]

16. 2nd Ammendment Never Mentions Guns

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"

Notice the amendment specifies arms, not guns.

Merrian-Webster Collegiate Dictionary (Tenth Edition) defines arm (several definitions, but the applicable one here) as "a means (as a weapon) of offense or defense esp (italics) FIREARM"

So, one could infer that Constituitionally speaking, the government has no right to prevent its citizens from purchasing any type of weapon.

[bemildred]

18. Exactly. And you just know why they put that in there too.

It's not like you can make an argument that they were careless
about the wording, they spent a lot of time trying to get it right.

[strategery blunder]

31. Pay attention to the first four words

The NRA sure doesn't.

Want the uncontested right to arm yourself? Join the National Guard.

[FeebMaster]

33. Pay attention to the last fourteen words

the gun grabbers never do.

[bemildred]

34. You gotta wonder what the framers meant by "free state"?

My guess is they meant something like Massachusetts, not
the USA.

[strategery blunder]

38. I am not a gun grabber

I disagree with extremists on both sides.

From the post I replied to:

So, one could infer that Constituitionally speaking, the government has no right to prevent its citizens from purchasing any type of weapon.

One could also infer, as I did as a response to this, that the right to "purchase any type of weapon" is restricted to organized militias.

Personally, I see both sides of the issue. I simply wanted to point out that the first clause of the amendment does leave some room for restriction.

Gun-grabbing at this point is probably a bad idea, as we might need those guns one day to repel an invasion. Especially if current foreign policy is allowed to continue.

Edited to add comma

[FeebMaster]

40. You're not a gun grabber

but you tell someone if they want the uncontested right to arm themselves they should join the National Guard.

"I simply wanted to point out that the first clause of the amendment does leave some room for restriction."

No it doesn't.

[strategery blunder]

44. The key word here is 'uncontested'

You want a pistol? Go and buy one. I don't have a problem with that at all. You want to have some fun firing off RPG's? Join the Guard.

"I simply wanted to point out that the first clause of the amendment does leave some room for restriction."

No it doesn't.

Why then, hasn't the Supreme Court ruled all forms of regulation of weapons unconstitutional?:eyes:

[FeebMaster]

45. Just because the Supreme Court hasn't ruled something

unconstitutional doesn't mean that it isn't unconstitutional.

[OpSomBlood]

37. "Well-regulated" is not a qualifer.

The militia is "well-regulated" because the people are armed.

[slackmaster]

58. I'll give up my arms

When you chop them off of my cold, dead shoulders.

:freak:

[Bandit]

64. You seem to overlook the "well Regulated" part

What does that term Well Regulated mean to you? Even our own GIs aren't allowed to possess RPGs.

[punpirate]

20. WTF???

Any consideration for what this will do to escalate road-rage incidents?

... good thing I'm not doing a daily commute any more. I can see it now, personal howitzers (be sure to get the towing package on that Chevy Tahoe), grille-mounted 20mm gatling guns (factory option on all OnStar-equipped GM vehicles), rent-a-Predator plans (discounts on Hellfire missile use over the monthly minimum), Abrams M-1A1 tank-pooling, self-help instructional tapes on how to drive with one's knees while aiming that RPG, the possibilities are endless....

And if those don't do the trick, there's your very own limpet :nuke:
one can magnetically attach to that very special asshole's bumper....

;)

[bemildred]

21. Hey, think about how much more polite everyone will be? nt

[punpirate]

25. ... think about what the 405...

... would look like shortly after the first idiot who couldn't control his temper let loose.... :wow:

[bemildred]

26. Yeah, exactly.

If it wasn't for all the innocent people caught in the
crossfire, I think I'd buy some popcorn and pay to watch.

[Guaranteed]

22. Seriously...

I can't believe this shit.

I'm actually a very strong defender of the 2nd Amendment, but RPG's? I don't THINK so. There has to be a line somewhere, and explosives is way over it.

[amber dog democrat]

66. What about small field artillery?

I personally would love to have a Dalhgren smooth bore howitzer with canaster shot.
There is lots to be said for Civil War era ordanence too. Especially the mortors but they tend to be a little heavy and hard to move.

[rebellious woman]

42. LMAO......you DU'ers make me laugh

I needed this humor after
all of this chaos, horror and shame.

[corporatewhore]

23. heh Iraq actually turned me pro gun

it showed how the weapons can aid the oppressed people to stage an effective resistance against the oppressors who are doing god knows what to them

[Wapsie B]

24. This sounds like something from

"Falling Down," with Michael Douglas and Robert Duvall.

[FeebMaster]

28. Did you guys read the poll choices before you voted?

I'm glad to see that so many agree with me on the RPG issue.

[bemildred]

29. Awww, thats so nice.

:loveya:

[FeebMaster]

30. Yes.

There's a warm feeling in my heart knowing that two-thirds of the Duers who have voted may want as few restrictions on weapons as I do.

[bemildred]

36. Breaking stereotypes is fun. nt

[FeebMaster]

39. Of course, given the number of inane responses to the thread

I'm inclined to believe a lot of people may have voted for RPGs being sold to the general public as a joke.

[bemildred]

41. We all appreciate your contributions. nt

[FeebMaster]

46. I'm glad. (nt)

[JanMichael]

32. I want them to be given to EVERYONE!

No shit.

"MAD" all the time, every day....

[moof]

35. Absolutely, the minute

the minute the wildlife start coming after us with M1A1 tanks.

[MadProphetMargin]

48. What if the wildlife isn't the problem? What if the administration decides

that it really, REALLY wants to stay in power, and elections be damned?

[BiggJawn]

43. Don't call them RPG's, call them "Freedom Throwers"

Favourite tool of oppressed people fighting occupying invaders everywhere.

Our government won't allow us to own RPG's. What are they afraid of?

[corporatewhore]

47. yeah iraq actually turned me Pro Gun

for the reasons you stated above and have been doing some reading on Black Panthers and why gun control came around

[billbuckhead]

50. Yeah a mere 130,000 American soldiers defeated a heavily armed populace

Some great model for guns against a modern army. You're drawing the wrong conclusion.

[MadProphetMargin]

49. Absolutely. The revolution of 1776 has been betrayed. It may soon be

time to "hit the reset button".

[German-Lefty]

51. My proposal on the right to bear arms.

Ok, the public should be allowed to arm themselves with whatever the police have access to, but not the military. The restrictions should be the same.

So if police can carry handguns so can you. If he has to pass a training test so should you.

Police don't need RPGs, land mines, granades, or WMD. Neither do you.

The military can't be called in to do police work, unless there is a dirrect order given by the president for an emergency.

[gulfcoastliberal]

52. Yay for RPGs

I voted yes - why shouldn't we have access to the same weaponry as a bunch of high school grads or dropouts in the infantry? We can take a training class and be even more proficient than them.

[Tyler Durden]

53. RPG's don't kill people; PEOPLE with RPG's kill people.

Say, aren't you REQUIRED by LAW to own an RPG already in Utah or some other Godforsaken "Red" State?

[Feanorcurufinwe]

54. "security of a free state" cannot be defended with hunting rifles.

[tom_paine]

55. I used to be against this. Now that I live in Imperial Amerika

I'd like to purchase some.

Tyranny Insurance.

NOTE TO OHS THUGS: Hey I didn't say I was going to procure them illegally, but only that if they were legal I'd have my credit card out already. Why? Because for most of you, you'd crucify Jesus if your Bushevik Masters ourdered you to, without a second thought. Don't think we Free Americans don't know it.

[slackmaster]

56. They already are available to the general public

See http://www.atf.gov/forms/5000.htm#explosives

[TrogL]

57. You're going to be needing them

[CityZen-X]

60. AK's & RPG's

Can hold off a platoon of UN soldiers during a Martial Law scenario!

[PfcHammer]

59. Sell em at Home Despot, but have a 1 day waiting period

so ppl can cool off first.

[Vladimir]

62. Why stop there?

I mean, if you are gonna get armed, why not get serious? rpg, shmrpg, what I want is a napalm launcher, maybe a tank or two, a SAM battery wouldn't go amiss, gatling guns are always fun (remember Predator?)... jeez, there are so many fun ways to kill homo sapiens, how does a boy choose?!

[noiretextatique]

63. i think i'm on the wrong political site

given the results of this poll.

[amber dog democrat]

65. I will just use them for hunting purposes

and maybe self defense around the house.