WHERE'S KERRY??????

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

Seriously, some Kerry people out there fill me in! Why am I not seeing him POUND the shit out of Chucklenuts Junior on TV? He is bleeding and beaten by his OWN frigging fist and I see no Kerry giving him the knockout punch....

Or is this a strategy of give them enough rope to hang themselves with? Good strategy, mostly, but I honestly think it's going to take more than that.

Kerry stand up and say how FUCKED up this war is, how FUCKED up our economy is and it's all thanks to Monkey Boy. Go on, do it! NOW!!!!

(Only he'd probably use less salty language, sorry...)

No one should take this as a criticism of Kerry. If he's our man, he's who I am supporting and voting for, damnit. But I'm just wondering why I'm not seeing/hearing more of him throwing some serious punches. Maybe I'm missing it????

[No2W2004]

1. All I can think is

He's letting the neocon's fuck it up by themselves. He just has to stand back and watch them self-destruct

[wicket]

4. So true

That way he can keep his hands clean and the repubs can't use any of it against him. They are falling apart on their own doing! :D

[Aunt Anti-bush]

2. I think he's just letting them hang themselves.

He doesn't need to say a word because the situations that are going on right now are just proving that this administration needs to go.

[sampsonblk]

76. Not that again

That's the same thing I heard about Richard Clarke's testimony and book, Woodward's book, Rice's testimony, Bush and Cheney testifying together, and every other major problem that should have sunk Bush. That strategy hasn't worked. In fact, my read of the polls tells me that Kerry is looking weak to just the voters we need to attract.

Bush dropping fast, but Kerry isn't rising at all. Time to start pounding like a good politican - like the Republicans do.

[IronLionZion]

3. YEAAARRRRGGGHHH!!!!!

I want Howard Dean back. We need him as VP or in Kerry's campaign or something. That guy would beat the living daylights out of our current chimp-in-chief. THAT is why Dean would have won the election.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

9. I was a Deaniac

always will be in my heart, but I think it's good that he's not in it. Why? He can REALLY speak his mind now, in support of Kerry and against bush and his idiotic policies.

[Rosco T.]

5. .. the proper expression is "Giving them enought Rope..."

let'em squirm.. the longer that they pontificate and posture, the worse it will be for them when the hammer DOES fall..

[physioex]

6. Calm down Mooney

They are hanging themselves. It doesn't do good to interject more than Kerry has by calling for Rummys resignation. Give Kerry some credit, I was a early Dean supporter and I was surprised how he made a comeback. The keyword is Patience.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

8. You're right

I do recall now he DID call for Rummy's resignation.

Ok patience will be the key word then.

I just don't want to see another "wimp" image be our downfall.

[physioex]

15. That doesnt mean....

We as individuals shouldn't be doin what little we can to keep the heat on!! Write your congressman, sign petitions, support Moveon. Just do something. :hi:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

31. Oh I do

all the time. Hell it's almost a full-time job for me nowdays.

[goclark]

12. And Timing

Timing is so important to this election. With all the scandals this week Kerry doesn't really have to do a thing. Just let Bush keep rolling out on his big blue bus. Kerry needs to keep meeting voters and getting free TV time.

[movonne]

7. There are other people out there helping him do the work...at this

point just let the scandals keep coming. Gen. Clark will be on MTP tomorrow.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

10. We do watch that, so I'll look for it, thanks eom

[graywarrior]

14. I like Kerry's quiet style

Just letting the media do to "them" what "they" did to Clinton. Hopefully, Kerry is working on a plan to help the country instead of taking part in stuff that's being taken care of by others.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

18. Those are good points too

and he isn't seen as being down in the muck, either, though I think that will be inevitable eventually (sometime this summer).

[Snoggera]

11. Timing

Peak too early and you're out of the race.

Give away your stategy too soon, and you're out of the race.

Always be seen by the American public as responding? On the defensive or giving ammunition to the enemy? You're out of the race.

Patience is called for. Remember the Rabbit and the Turtle. The Rabbit has spent a shitload of money to no effect. The Turtle will win in the end.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

13. Hmmm very good points

thanks for that post.

[KharmaTrain]

16. Amen!!! They're Hanging On Their Own Rope

Don't forget that what people say or think in May is not going to be where we're at in November. Way things are going, Kerry isn't going to have to say much other than..."this way out"...

[Malva Zebrina]

17. Oh well, Kerry is talking about some other things right now

Things that are rather mild and non confrontational, doncha know.

He is addressing something, but that something is not relevant to the issues that are poingnant and on the top right now.

that has got to be deliberate, because this guy has played the
washington game for many years.


Are we tired of it? I am, for one. It looks like we are stuck with another wimp of a
Gore. Much as I love Gore and his family, he did not have the stuff necessary to oust the bully Bush.

Well, it looks like Kerry does not either.

It is not necessary to talk about the
American abuses in Iraq and the solution is to send the peace corps to fix it.

OMG, whatever have the people done to endorse this Senator who so so afraid to voice any opinion at all


Ugh--makes me sick

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

21. Are you being sarcastic?

And if so, to whom? Me or the other responders on this thread?

Sorry, but I didn't get it.

[physioex]

26. Hey dont you know the DU guidelines.....

Leave the criticism of Kerry out, he won the primaries.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

29. Um ok

I am assuming YOU are being sarcastic now. It isn't really a criticism of Kerry, as I said in the original post. Just a question.

[physioex]

Not talkin about you Mooney...Someone else.... EOM

[Malva Zebrina]

42. Oh excuse me

I was not aware of that censorship.

Certainlhy I will do everything I can to praise Kerry to the sky and never ever citicize St. Kerry,

[physioex]

60. That's not what I meant....

Look Kerry wasn't my 1st choice and I supported Dean early on. But I stand behind Kerry fully now. Don't be so quick to knock him, he isn't as dumb as you might think. He had the guts to put up his house when he was down and Dean was up. He knows what he is doing, have some patience. This is a very important election not like the past elections and we must work to get the never elected monkey out of the Whitehouse.

[Kanary]

73. Pray tell, where may we go to discuss our *real* feelings and thoughts?

Or, are we supposed to just hide under a rock until we're told it's safe to come out again?

Kanary

[Media_Lies_Daily]

47. "Kerry's a wimp". Yeah, right. What makes me sick are the posters...

...on this board who scream about the corporate-owned mainstream media not reporting real news one minute, and then scream that Kerry's not being heard the next minute.

Is it possible that the two pieces of information might be connected??? Is it???

DUH.

Do people like you ever stop to think before you post such unadulterated drivel, or do you have another agenda entirely?

[emulatorloo]

55. You are wrong. . .Kerry is speaking out, they don;t show it on TV

go to yahoo news and do a search. See my post 45 for a couple links. Visit Johnkerry.com and go to the news section.

TV news does not cover it though - it is all bush all the time.

[not systems]

19. He did call for Rummy to quit.

Other than that why make waves when Bush is
caught in a firestorm of biblical proportions.

Just sit back and watch the Bush burn.

[diamond14]

20. Kerry has given several MAJOR speeches in the past two days...

and his campaign headquarters has a number of press releases as well as videos...and an impeachment petition...

just look it up HERE, make a tiny effort before attacking Kerry...
http://www.JohnKerry.com

it makes me ill to have people lying about Kerry repetitively, making no effort at all to review the TRUTH posted on Kerry's web page in photos, videos, and more...

some are trying as hard as they can to 're-select bush'...but it's not working and we are not buying what you are selling anymore...




Did you see the one where that one prisoner
was forced to blow the other prisoner?



(thanks to bartcom.com)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

24. I hope by "you" you don't mean ME

because I am actively trying NOT to have Chucklenuts in office any longer than Jan 2005.

As for making a tiny effort, thanks but I DO go to the Kerry website. However the mass media (yes I know they suck) doesn't do Kerry website updates daily and I just hadn't seen much other than him asking Rummy to resign lately.

I am comforted by what I am reading here, so no need to get pissy.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Maybe you should have done your own homework before you...

...launched your little tirade.

I'm constantly amazed by the wealth of resources available on the net and the seeming inability of some people to use those resources.

If you think I'm being "pissy" too, so be it.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

36. Well maybe I should have clarified

that I can FIND this stuff on the net, sure (hell you can find anything on the net) but I am NOT hearing any of it in the media....print, TV, radio (ha--except Air America, which I don't get).

Amazing how defensive people get when you ask a simple question. I'm just glad to see how many people were able to answer it without getting snarky about it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

40. Keep posting your little remarks...the hole you're in is getting deeper.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

41. WTF are you talking about?

Do you think saying that will shut this down?

Amateur.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

51. "Amateur"? Does your daddy know you're using his computer...

...to launch such idiotic statements?

I've been involved in politics for quite a while...since the 1960 election. Based on your comments, I doubt you were even alive back then.

"Amateur"? Coming from you, that's pretty laughable.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

56. What makes you say

"based on your comments, I doubt you were even alive back then."

Seriously, what makes you say that? I'm curious. And why in the WORLD would I believe that anyone who would say "does your daddy know you're using his computer" is as old as you claim to be?

And why so thin-skinned about Kerry? He's our guy, everyone knows it. No one can ask a question about his media coverage, his strategies without being insulted?

And what makes you say "coming from you, I find that laughable."

How well do you actually think you know me? Do you recognize my user name? How often have I been insulted by you on DU? Or are you just throwing out petty shit because you are offended at the very idea of Kerry being questioned? Seriously, do I know you from somewhere or something?

[diamond14]

46. starting your thread with 'WHERE's KERRY????" made it clear...

certainly, another choice of words or even lower case letters would have been better than SCREAMING....

why not try a different headline tact that would be less helpful to the bush* re-selection:

example:

"Kerry's not getting on my red-state TV. What am I missing?"

"Is the bush* scandal pushing Kerry off TV?"

"How can I help elect Kerry?"

"What's new in the Kerry campaign"

"How is Kerry handling the bush* POW torture?"



we all know who went AWOL, and it's not Kerry...any implication of Kerry being AWOL comes right from the WH....and we know it....

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

49. OK

I'll be much more careful in future to word my headlines much much more carefully so as not to offend the sensibilities of my fellow Democrats who seem to be so thin-skinned they can't handle a post like that.

Sheesh.

And I KNOW how to help ELECT Kerry, I am a voter registrar, I am VERY active in my city and county Democrat groups, I work voter registration tables ALL the time, I have donated to Kerry's campaign, I have Kerry bumper stickers on my vehicles (and live in Texas AND these were put on after a few anti-bush stickers were taken off and my car keyed).

I don't need to know how to help elect Kerry, I've practically made it a full-time job on top of my other full-time job.

It was a question. Sue me. (I thought Dems and liberals were supposed to not be into prescribing what other people say and how they say it?)

[charlie]

30. Kerry's sponsored an impeachment petition?

Where? Link?

[diamond14]

38. everything is on the Kerry website....a simple click away....

try it...it's easy...everything is here...there's even a LOT of areas where YOU can help elect Kerry...YOUR help is needed....
http://www.JohnKerry.com

[charlie]

54. Can your condescending tripe

I do visit the website. You mention impeachment, I think of Dubya. I've seen the petition for Rumsfeld's resignation. Is that what you're talking about?

[diamond14]

61. yes,

[revcarol]

22. Out to lunch.

What else?

He ought to be educating the American people about the Bush policies which enabled and encouraged torture.

Very hard to be ABB these days.

[emulatorloo]

48. KERRY IS EVERYWHERE! but they do not show him on TV

He has renewed his call for Rumsfield's resignation.
He has blasted Bush admin on slowness to respond to torture
He has blasted Bush on economy and war
See my post 45 for 2 examples.

The problem is the TV news - they do not cover dems. . .it is GWB 24-7

[Mrs. Overall]

23. It's the MEDIA!!

I think Kerry is out there saying things, making speeches and appearances, but the Republican/Corporate biased Media is not covering it, so the illusion is that Kerry isn't doing a damn thing, when in reality, he is!

Randi Rhodes was screaming about this very thing the other day, regarding people calling in and wondering where the Democrats are. She played some sound bites of Democrats blasting Bush on the Senate and House floors, but of course, the Media doesn't cover this, so we think the Democrats aren't saying anything.

It's infuriating!!!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

25. I think you've hit the nail on the head right there

I don't EVER hear about stuff like that unless I find it on the internet.

And that just sucks.

[Norquist Nemesis]

37. Agreed!!!! And all they keep showing is Bush on CSPAN, CNN...

and all the rest! I turned on the TV this morning and their airing Bush's rally in Wisconsin from Friday! I rarely (if ever) see Kerry's except now and then to kill a little time...then they cut it and go back to regular programming.

I can understand the rope thing. Even support that strategy. But only to a point. At some point, it's going to come back and bite him in the ass with people saying "where have you been all along?". They'll view him as an opportunist.

IMO, Kerry needs to be sure and get more exposure but be really needs to kick his surrogates collective asses into high gear.

[emulatorloo]

52. THANK YOU - EOM

[Warren Stuart]

27. I'd say you're missing something

Common sense for starters.

What exactly can Kerry do? Aside from being a Senator, there's not much he can do.

Nor should he do anything, this is Bush's problem, let him deal with it. This is a marathon race, not a heavyweight fight, knockout punches don't apply. You gotta pace yourself, wait until the right time before you make your move.

The Republicans would love for John Kerry to try to take advantage of this situation, then they will incessently bray about how he tried to do just that. They desperatly need a distraction, the dumbest thing Kerry can do is provide them one.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

34. You know what?

There is no need to say that I am missing common sense.

I clearly stated in my post that I am a Kerry supporter and that I didn't mean my post as a criticism.

You can leave out the invective and just stick to the rest. The rest of your post WAS good, but it was colored by your little insult at the beginning.

I thought we were in this together?

[bigtree]

28. Some "serious punches" thrown

Remarks of Senator John Kerry at the Democratic Leadership Council
May 07, 2004

(serious snipping)

Today, Secretary Rumsfeld apologized on Capitol Hill. But the chain of command goes all the way to the Oval Office. Harry Truman did not say “The buck stops at the Pentagon.” And after 241 Marines were killed by terrorists in Beirut, Ronald Reagan had the strength to say, “If there is to be blame, it properly rests here in this Office and with this President.

We need a new President. One who is strong enough to give our brave troops the allies and the armor they need; and one who is strong enough to take responsibility and, when necessary, correct course. We need a President who knows the difference between strength – and stubbornness.

We will debate this Administration on every issue, any time, any place. We're ready because we know that they don't own the flag: they don't own patriotism; they don't own strength. All of these values belong to all of America. And we're going to stand our ground, tell the truth, and fight for a country that lives up to our ideals.

But this is not the time to shout. It is a time for a new direction in Iraq and for America to work together so that once again this nation leads in a way that brings the world to us and with us in our efforts.

We understand what this Administration does not: America wasn't put here to dominate the world. We have a higher calling: to lead it.

America and the world need us to lead, because this administration hasn't and it won't.

Taliban remnants are launching bolder attacks in Afghanistan, and America's enemy number one -- Osama bin Laden - remains at large. The President's economic policies have weakened America's economic leadership and leverage in the world. And by steering a unilateral course, the administration has bred global mistrust of our motives and unloosed a torrent of anti-Americanism abroad.

For four years, this administration has ignored middle-class interests and walked away from those middle-class values. They've put wealth ahead of work, something-for-nothing ahead of responsibility, and special privilege for the few ahead of what's right for the nation.

Responsibility must begin in Washington, not end there. We'll stop pretending Washington can live beyond its means and stop making it harder for states to live within theirs. To borrow a line from a certain Halliburton executive back in 2000, whose name escapes me at the moment: "Help is on the way."

More than ever, Americans are desperate for us to leave the petty and the partisan behind, and reach for America's higher promise. And the reason is simple: America is more than a piece of geography-more than a name of a country; it is the most powerful idea in human history, freedom and equal opportunity for all. And that idea demands a solemn responsibility from every citizen-that we do all that we can to help realize the promise of America.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0507.html


Me Book

[Orangepeel]

33. You probably aren't seeing him on TV because you live in a safe state

That's if you mean ads. If you mean on talk shows and stuff, he's on all the time. He was just on hardball and meet the press.

I live in the swing region of a swing state (central florida) and I see several Kerry ads a day (almost as many as I see bush ads). I also got a packet in the mail containing a bumper sticker and a Kerry sign AND I got an auto call with Kerry's voice asking for my support.

During the primaries, I was sure that the Kerry campaign was dead in the water. It wasn't. Just because YOU aren't seeing him doesn't mean that no one is.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

35. Now THAT'S a good point, too

I live in Texas. Chucklenuts Junior and his buddies aren't exactly worried about us down here. Us "idiots" they ASSume will all vote for his sorry ass.

[revcarol]

39. I'm in a swing state.

Kerry is invisible.

Heard his education speech(because I went to the effort) and was NOT impressed.More qualifications for teachers who have to spend thousands of $$ of their already low pay to provide supplies for their classrooms? Schools are desperate and he wants them to spend MORE on education and training so they can be underpaid, overworked and get all their students up to the "Every Child Left Behind" standard, with improvement every year.

WHAT PLANET DOES HE LIVE ON?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

44. Watch out apparently ANY criticism of Kerry or questions about Kerry are

NOT allowed.

Thin-skinned Dems around here assuming any question about Kerry is some kinda freeper criticism, I guess. Never seen anything like it before.

Anywho, I do appreciate the other, thoughtful responses on this thread. They have helped me to understand what is going on re: Kerry and the media.

[Mattforclark]

43. In Pennsylvania, I think

At least that's where he will be tomorrow.

[emulatorloo]

45. KERRY IS EVERYWHERE! they are not showing him on TV, though

Kerry Says He Would Demand Accountability

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=2&u=/ap/20040506/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_prisoner_abuse

Kerry Hits Bush's Commander-In-Chief Performance

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&ncid=696&e=1&u=/nm/20040506/pl_nm/campaign_kerry_dc

etc etc etc

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

53. See THAT'S the problem

he is getting little to no media coverage.

Of course the prisoner thing is taking front and center, as it should be.

I guess I'd just like him to get a lot more air time than he's been given. Too many people in my neck of the woods are no longer * supporters, but are on the fence. I've directed them to the Kerry website, but they are TV PEOPLE and if it ain't on TV, it ain't real to them.

[emulatorloo]

57. The Optimist in me says it will get better after summer

The pessimist tells me to call the TV station and say we would like to see more coverage of JK's statements etc.

It will be hard for them to ignore the Dem convention though. . . .

[chelsea0011]

50. Why speak out???? Bush is hanging himself

Kerry is staying on point. He will not get coverage while this stuff is breaking.

[KiloForAngelese]

58. Kerry admitted to committing war crimes in Viet Nam

He may be laying low right now until the impeachment of Bush. I think Kerry is safe now since his admitted war crimes were so long ago and there is only his admission of the crimes to go on.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

59. Huh?

I only heard bits and pieces of this, but I thought it was the right wingnuts trying to smear him...

[KiloForAngelese]

70. Here's a link to the facts

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1559880&mesg_id=1560351&page=

[physioex]

63. Bush admitted to two cavities....

Him and Dick were both wasted back in the 70's. CHICKENHAWKS

[KiloForAngelese]

72. Maybe this link will help

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1559880&mesg_id=1560351&page=

[diamond14]

75. bush*/cheney chickhawk and AWOL record...skipped out...(link)

That's pretty much what we're seeing in America, though. Princes who wiggled out of going to war (thanks to their daddies' connections and/or their own dubious commitments to higher education) are feverishly banging the war drums, hoping to send unlucky/unconnected young American patsies off to battlefields they themselves wouldn't touch with a ten-foot flagpole.

Let's look at some of the lucky warmongers and their not-so-lucky counterparts, as The Bean Magazine finds pairs of parallel babies whose lives took very different paths.





George W. Bush
Texan Bush was born July 6, 1946, in New Haven, Connecticut (just east of Texas). Saved by God from actual service (landing a plum spot in the Air National Guard thanks to, um, God), he managed to compound his disgrace, going AWOL from FAKE SERVICE during wartime!



D. C. Carter and Samuel Reyna
Private First Class Carter was born a month after Bush in New Haven (August 8, 1946); killed November 12, 1969 in South Vietnam. If you buy the Bush-as-Texan story, consider Reyna, who was born the same day as Bush (July 6, 1946) but across the country in Corpus Cristi, Texas. Corporal Reyna was killed in South Vietnam just as Bush was about to graduate from Yale (April 20, 1968).


---------------------------------------------------------------------


Dick Cheney
Born January 30, 1941 in Lincoln, Nebraska. No heart for war, really, at least not on the battlefield. Took five deferrments claiming 'I had other priorities'.




Cameron Trent McAllister
Born on the same day (January 30, 1941) in Omaha, Nebraska, Staff Sergeant McAllister was killed September 7, 1969 in South Vietnam.


http://www.beanmag.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3

[diamond14]

64. welcome to DU, KiloForAngelese.....Kerry wrote a book about Vietnam

you should read the book and then come back here to discuss it with us...



http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060565233/qid=1084066569/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-2313148-4306367?v=glance&s=books&n=507846



also, be certain to circulate the bush* re-selection campaign poster

[Adelante]

65. Welcome to DU, KiloForAngelese

I guess :eyes:

[Bridget Burke]

66. Exactly when did he do that?

A link would be quite useful.

[KiloForAngelese]

69. Try this link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1559880&mesg_id=1560351&page=

[Pepperbelly]

62. don't get in the way when someone is self-destructing. nt

[lucidmadman]

67. Old saying: Never get in the way of a perfectly good train wreck.

I think Kerry should save as much money as possible for the final push. And negative ads like haven't been seen before. Believe it or not 'most people' aren't thinking about the election. When people do start to think about it I'd like to see ads on TV and Radio that rake the lying, war-profiteering, PNAC gang over the coals in no uncertain terms...'Old Skool', Boston style, kick in the nuts, baseball bat to the head ads...Bush and gang are wimps, effete dreamers. There's a backlog of images and clips to make some really good ads that even the densest of people will 'get'.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

68. Yep I agree

except it won't get through to people who believe no matter what bush does, it's good and anything said or shown to the contrary are just lies.

BUT there are an awful lot of fence-sitters out there who WOULD be convinced by ads like that. I agree on the money thing, too.

[lucidmadman]

74. Oh yeah...there's a lot of deluded people out there...

...I think to a certain extent it's true that it's a 45/45% country and everybody is fighting over the 10%. I think I know who they are. Males between 40 and 60 years old who live in the South and Mid-West. They respond to a certain 'machismo' type of image and I don't think JK's lacking in that dept. GWB is. It's all a matter of shaping the message into images and sound bites. Sad but true.
I've seen pictures of JK and his crew on a swift boat where he looks like someone into whose hands you'd put your life. He looks 'in charge'. His crew looks 'like America'. There's white ones and black ones, city boys, country cousins. The pic I'm thinking of, JK is standing a little ways off to the side. That little edge of authority. JK looks like he knows that a good part of the job is bringin' his boys home.
Compared to GWB on his ranch/movie set it smells like victory to me.
If we can't win with this candidate we're a sorry bunch...

[happynewyear]

71. Kerry is very busy: Petition to Get Rumsfeld Fired

If you don't think so, click on this link to sign a petition to have Rumsfeld fired!

Link:

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/rumsfeld.php