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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:17 PM
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The new pictures and video coming out about Abu Ghraib.
Has anyone heard about what is on these pictures?

I heard something really, really bad, and I just want to know if someone has heard the something I heard.

I heard that they show young Iraqi boys being molested.

Again, this is just something that I heard, so please, "don't shoot the messenger", just an inquiring mind.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:20 PM
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1. Not yet.
I have just heard comments Rumsfeld made during the hearings and read allusions to them on the web.
This is going to set us back 10 years.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:21 PM
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2. Check this out.
Graham, a veteran of the House Judiciary Clinton impeachment hearings in 1998, had his sound bites honed to a sharp, quotable edge: “I want to prepare the public. The worst is yet to come in terms of disturbing events.”

A few minutes later, Graham told a press conference, “We’re talking about rape and murder here, we’re not just talking abut giving people a humiliating experience, we’re talking about rape and murder and some very serious charges.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4925942/


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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:25 PM
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3. Just read this in CNN.com
The Pentagon says new, as-yet-unreleased images, including video, of the abuse of Iraqi prisoners could further inflame world opinion against the U.S.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:36 PM
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4. "acting inappropriately with a dead body"
plus US troops raping an Iraqi woman and an Iraqi boy.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:40 PM
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6. probably gag photos with the dead, like the old lynching postcards
you know, stuff that'll really crack em up back at the farm.
i've heard its the other lady, in the infamous photos, in grinning 'here's me with a dead sand------' poses.

cute
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:45 PM
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10. You mean "A Weekend at Abu Bernie's"???
Edited on Sat May-08-04 01:46 PM by TahitiNut
I don't think so.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:40 PM
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5. Under lock and key at the Pentagon...
...stamped TOP SECRET! We will never see the real pictures only what the Bushitler propaganda machine wants us to see.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:42 PM
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7. i suspect there were many copies made and passed around
and that's whey donny even mentioned them. i'll bet they can't stop them from being seen by the eyes of the world

scary shit
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:43 PM
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8. I'm not so sure that's true - Many many soldiers have the photos
Probably there are computers here in the states that havae down loaded the photos.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:43 PM
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9. What I have heard
That there are pictures of an American soldier raping a female Iraqi detainee

Picture of American soldier doing something inappropriate to a dead body

Video tape (taken by an American solider) of an Iraqi guard sodomizing an Iraqi teenage boy

Wonder how the rightwing will address these "frat pranks?"
Send Rush packing:
http://www.geocities.com/sendhimpacking/
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:54 PM
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11. MSNBC hasa it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4855930

NBC News
NBC, MSNBC and news services
Updated: 10:00 p.m. ET May 07, 2004

WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld extended his “deepest apology” Friday to Iraqi prisoners abused by U.S. military personnel, telling Congress that he accepted full responsibility for the shocking events. But he warned that worse was yet to come.

The apology did not keep lawmakers from harshly questioning Rumsfeld, who was criticized by Republican John McCain of Arizona for not having answers about “who was in charge of the interrogations” at Abu Ghraib, the prison on the outskirts of Baghdad where the abuse took place.

Rumsfeld said in his opening statement before the Senate Armed Services Committee that “these events occurred on my watch. As secretary of defense, I am accountable for them. I take full responsibility.” Insisting that the abuses were at the hands of very few soldiers, Rumsfeld also vowed to bring those guilty to justice and to ensure that such abuses did not happen again.

But Rumsfeld warned the committee that the worst was yet to come. He said he had looked at the full array of unedited photographs of the situation at Abu Ghraib for the first time Thursday night and found them “hard to believe.”

“There are other photos that depict incidents of physical violence towards prisoners, acts that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhumane," he said. “... It’s going to get a good deal more terrible, I’m afraid.”

Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.

more
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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 01:59 PM
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12. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanm!
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:19 PM
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13. seymour hersch has
mentioned these, so clearly they must be
available in some form to journalists.
No way in Hell Rumsfeldt would have mentioned them if
he didnt think uncontrolled copies were out there.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:36 PM
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14. Let the games begin.
Anybody got a link yet?
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theoceansnerves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 04:39 PM
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15. a reporter in an interview on majority report
a few days ago was speaking as if she had seen them, so i don't think they are under lock and key. she said it was a lot worse than what we had already seen.
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