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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:55 AM
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Bush WAS elected
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elected

But elected doesn't necessarily mean that he was fairly picked, or "legitimately" picked, or anything like that.

e·lect ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-lkt)
v. e·lect·ed, e·lect·ing, e·lects
v. tr.
To select by vote for an office or for membership. The Supreme Court did do that.
To pick out; select: elect an art course. He was sort of picked out or selected, like an art course.
To decide, especially by preference: elected to take the summer off. Yeah, it WAS decided that he would become the President.
To select by divine will for salvation. Used of God. God DID tell him to run for President.

v. intr.
To make a choice or selection. Yep, the supreme court did make a choice.

adj.
Chosen deliberately; singled out. Very deliberate.

Elected but not yet installed. Often used in combination: the governor-elect. At the time, that was true.
Chosen for marriage. Often used in combination: the bride-elect. Poor Laura the Librarian. :(
Selected by divine will for salvation. Yes, Bush was indeed selected by divine will.

n.
One that is chosen or selected. Yep.
One selected by divine will for salvation. Already covered.
(used with a pl. verb) An exclusive group of people. Used with the: one of the elect who have power inside the government. I'm not sure about this one. I guess Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, Libby, and Wolfowitz etc were 'elected' in this sense of the word - but not Bush.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 11:58 AM
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1. OK, wise guy
Elected fraudulently and criminally. Your point?
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:02 PM
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3. Fraudulence
is entirely normal, at least linguistically.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:04 PM
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6. Are you also thinking of the 1876 election?
There are issues with that one too,
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:11 PM
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12. Hayes
still ended up being picked to be President.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:15 PM
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15. But Tildon should have been in office.
and Reconstruction ended in the South, and to the end of his years Rutherford was plagued by a tarnished reputation. Was often refered to as Ruther Fraud.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:01 PM
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2. No he was not.
I still regared the 2000 election to be compromised by fraud.
Bush being appointed by a conservative majority of the Supreme Court
does not mean he was elected.


I have yet to accept him or his junta as being legitimate ever since the coup d'etat happened.
But I am willing to vote ABB and wait him out.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:03 PM
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5. At the least
"Bush being appointed by a conservative majority of the Supreme Court"

means that he was elected by the supreme court.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:06 PM
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8. Negative
That was not a legal action or anything that was under the jurisdiction of the USSC.
It was a criminal act.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:09 PM
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10. Sure it was under their jurisdiction
The jurisdiction of the Supreme Court is determined solely by the United States Congress, and the United States Congress was controlled by the GOP.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:11 PM
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13. We must agree to disagree here.
The court was acting unconstitutionally and illegally.
He was NOT elected.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:02 PM
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4. The US Constitution, not Merriam and Webster's
govern US elections.

Bush was not elected.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:06 PM
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7. The Supreme Court didn't elect him.
They stopped the recount of the votes, thereby handing the electoral votes from Florida to Bush. IMO the Supreme Court stepped out of their jurisdiction and no Democratic nabob in our party called them on the carpet for it.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:09 PM
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9. Right
Still there are constitutionally legitmate proceedures that ought to have been followed.
The Court was in violation even if the ruling that stopped the recount had the net efffect of handing the election to bush. They knew what they were doing.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:09 PM
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11. No. bush was appointed, just like hitler.
bush lost the election.


then was appointed by the US supreme court.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:13 PM
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14. Hitler was elected too
"To pick out; select: elect an art course."

If only Hitler had been able to elect an art course...
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:18 PM
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17. Not really
His minority in the Riechstag only gained legitimacy when Hindemburg made Hitler his political heir appearent. At this time Hindenburg was terminally ill and intellectually enfeebled. After that it became very dangerous from Jan
1933 on to cross the Reichs Chancellor.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:18 PM
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16. A bit of sophistry, that
Edited on Sat May-08-04 12:21 PM by Jack Rabbit
As an American, when I say elected, I usually mean by popular vote in a free and fair contest.

In the case of a Presidential election, I recognize that the voters are not selecting the President, but electors from their state who will select the President in a process laid out in the Twlefth Amendment. This process is, in my view, unnecessarily complicated and should be changed to direct election by popular vote, but that's beside the point.

In Flordia, tens of thousands of voters were illegally purged from the voter rolls; the purge targeted Afro-American voters and, as anybody who has taken PoliSci 101 can tell, Afro-Americans vote for the Democrats 90% of the time. When even this underhanded tactic resulted in a count that was too close for comfort, the Republicans just made damn sure that votes were not counted.

Therefore, Bush occupies the White House through election fraud and legal manipulation. As far as I am concerned, he has no right to hold the office and no American, military or civilian, owes him or any officer appointed by him any allegiance.

In light of the human rights scandal now enveloping Mr. Bush's administration, there is some talk of impeachment or resignation. In my view, it should be sufficient to throw Mr. Bush's personal belongings out on the White House lawn and tell him to just go away.
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