How bad will this get, if * is "Elected" again?

[Solon]

The thing most people seem to ignore is this. The Republican party used violence to win the 2000 election. It was their operatives that stormed the recount offices in Florida, and I feel that they will be more overt the second time around. They used police and corrupt officials to intimitate and disenfranchise blacks in Florida. What is the difference between the Republicans and the Baath party, or the Nazi party, in using violence to achieve its political ends?

What will happen when they attempt to do this again? It is a serious question, and I would like to know what we are preparing to do in righting the injustice fosted on us by a regime that in every way as corrupt and undemocratic as all those dictators of the past.

[lectrobyte]

1. It would be a disaster

environmental regs further weakened

pro-life policies further entrenched

further deficits and other economic problems

Iran, Syria, possible other wars started

[Solon]

2. What I am talking about is more extreme.

If the Repubs decide to use violence and funny math to "Win" this election, how are we to respond? Would we respond in kind, or maybe the people will wake up to the fact that the nation was taken over by fascists bent on world domination.

[DoYouEverWonder]

11. What scares me the most are the devout Bu$hbots

I've heard of a couple of encounters lately, two of them were receptionists at two different local doctor's offices, where someone says something bad about Bu$hler and the receptionist/Bu$hbot goes off in public. We're talking ranting and raving and spewing all sorts of rightwing propaganda. How can you say that? Bu$h is a good man. Kerry is evil. That sort of thing.

I think in the next few months a lot of the Bu$hbots are psychologically about to lose it and things could get very dangerous.

[SuffragetteSal]

16. If I was a patient I would say...

you are offending me with your talk and as a professional you should know there is a time and a place and this is not it. Please refrain from offending your patients or they will go somewhere else...

[Gildor Inglorion]

3. It would be an actual turning point in history...

everything accomplished for the good during the past century would be rolled back, with the possible exception of votes for women. That is why Kerry MUST be elected, and elected by a big enough margin to make any violence or intimidation by the repugs ineffective. Remember, we only have to keep the states Gore won (excluding Florida) plus one more, to win. New Hampshire, West Virginia, Ohio, or Indiana could do it. Forget everything else and concentrate on this!

[BiggJawn]

5. Yes, 3-7% is not enough. Kerry must have a MANDATE!

He must have 65-80% of the vote. Any of this 51-60% bullshit and Jebbie and Scalia will steal it from us again.

It must be such a lop-sided victory that there will be NO way the GOP can do the behind the scenes crap that got them in last time.

NOW can you understand why I almost bite my keyboard in two when I see people pissing and moaning about not voting or voting for Nader beacause "we picked another corporate Ho, just like the one we think we wanna kick out..."

Don't be so sure this bunch wouldn't think about rolling back Woman's Suffrage. Who is that Congresswoman who hit the news last year because she couldn't understand why women just don't stay home and let their husbands do the voting? Remember her?

The GOP is against Woman's Rights. Never forget that!

[TruthIsAll]

18. 65-80%? Get real. The greatest landslide in history was 61%.

If Kerry gets 54%, it will be landslide enough to win over 400 ev

[BiggJawn]

22. But will it be ENOUGH to block Scalia?

Sure, the "biggest landslide in history" was "only" 61%, but we didn't have crooked Supreme Court judges throwing elections back then, either, did we?

It can NOT be "close"... "close" will just get us another stolen election. it needs to be a "So lop-sided even a Ditto-Monkey can see it" rejection of the ShrubMachine.

[gonefishing]

4. Nothing less

then the end of democracy.

[nostamj]

6. Randi Rhodes said

in yesterday's show:

"we'll have more wars than press conferences"

[Gin]

10. A panelist on CSPAN said if * gets another 4 years....EVERYONE will

want to be a Democrat. We may have to live through that nightmare to get rid of the vermin.

[Enraged_Ape]

7. I now sincerely believe there will be no "election"

Bush and his goons are getting ever more audacious and brazen every day. Even now, with these disgusting pictures and videos of rape, murder and abuse coming out, they are referring to it all as "fraternity pranks" and "blowing off steam", and the whore media is trumpeting this same outrageous bullshit 24/7 when we can SEE what it is with our own eyes!

Rummy's behavior yesterday was just outrageous. He was absolutely incensed that he even had to be questioned about any of these evil doings that went on for months right under his nose. Bush and Cheney behaved the same way with the 9-11 panel. This whole administration cares for nothing and no one but their own greedy, bloodthirsty selves, and fuck anybody else who challenges them. Our lives are worthless to them.

They will suspend the election. I don't think the massive cheating and rigging by Diebold they've planned will begin to make up for the electoral gap this administration will be facing come November. And when they scrap the polling due to some sort of terror threat--real, imaginary, or concocted--the American Pravda press will tell us how great it is to be living in a damn fascist dictatorship, and we will love every minute of it, because we will still have Wal-Mart, Survivor, and William Hung.

[Veggie Meathead]

13. I disagree with you .The fact that nearly 50% of the electorate still

supports Bush tells me that the American public believes that Bush is the right man to kick the asses of the Arabs.Even the most revolting revelations of Abu Ghraib will be seen as part of the "toughness" of Our Dear Leader, necessary when dealing with the "sand niggers".
The innate racism, aggravated by the demonization of the Arabs and the belief in one's own superiority have done their damage. There may
actually be elections, legitimately held and Bush is likely to win.This should scare us even more.

[Enraged_Ape]

15. I don't believe he's even that popular

I know what the polls say, but I lend them no credence whatsoever as they are used as nothing more than marketing tools and advertisements, and they really are not that hard to rig or fluff. You will never hear about a poll that shows what people REALLY think about the drooling idiot in the Oval Office, because no polling company will release it and no media will report it.

I work with several hardcore Republicans who were gung-ho for the moron and his war last year. They now, to a man, are disgusted by this latest round of pictures and openly discuss their desire for regime change in this country. This is a story I hear over and over and over again.

More people voted for Gore than Bush in the last election. It's just unbelievable to me that so many Gore supporters have been converted over to Bush because he's doing such a great job. Bush was an unknown quantity in the last election (well, not unknown to us), but everyone except for the eternally hopeless and willfully retarded knows what he's all about now.

[Kelvin Mace]

17. Actually they don't have to suspend the election to win

You'll just have lots of bomb threats in California and other major Dem states. This will supress turnout and give Bush a win.

David

[Nlighten1]

8. 95-3 says it doesn't matter if * gets re-elected.

[Veggie Meathead]

9. If we elect Bush after the revelations at Abu Ghraib,

we will be descending to the level of loyal Germans in their blind obedience to the Fuehrer.The words of the old saying " Pick your
enemies carefully; because they are the ones you are going to resemble the most" would never be more true.

[Misinformed01]

12. Organize, Educate, Agitate. Then hope for the best.

It'll get ugly.

Funny thing about the election...I'm hearing more and more people saying that they could imagine Bushco cancelling it.

Interesting times.

[teryang]

14. With the rigged BBV issue

...I don't see violence and other sorts of interference with voting and absentee ballot fraud as the only problem to overcome.

My opinion is that we are already deep into a transition to dictatorship, the question is whether it can be rolled back. I don't think the answer will be grass roots. Dictatorships often arise from the masses. A republic is supposed to be designed to prevent dictatorship. People inside the government and centers of institutional authority have to defy and expose this regime's crimes and corruption every day to try to reverse years of non-stop propaganda and brain-washing. They have to take control of the levers of power in front of their eyes.

For example, if the Supreme Court declared the enemy combatant cases unconstitutional, the regime will have suffered a major blow. The recent executive privelege case againt Cheney is also important. The court could signal its disapproval of this regime and how it might turn in possible national election disputes. While this isn't likely considering the current balance on the Court, expecting relief from structurally defective electoral processes (embodied in the Nader dilemna) which are also corrupted and unveriafiable is just as unrealistic.

Justices, judges, Representatives regardless of party stripe, state and local officials, law enforcement, the Generals of the Armed Forces, the press and other centers of public and institutional authority have to play a role in opposing the policies of dictatorship or we and our children are doomed to a fascist rule of continual warfare and strife. Many have taken a step forward during the recent crisis. Many more will have to do so.

In the early days of Dachau, uncooperative conservatives were sent to the prison right along with socialists, communists and homosexuals.

[Nashyra]

19. If this asshole wins

I don't know what I would do. I would be so disgusted with my fellow human beings, I could not be in a room with anyone that would vote for the *. I would probably have to get a divorce because I would not be in a room with my husbands "golfing" friends nor would I go to any family function that there was a repuke also there. I would rather spen my time alone than in the presence of fucking idiots.

[Rowdyboy]

20. If Bush is elected in 2004, we'll look back on 2000-2004 as

the Good Old Days!

[Snellius]

21. In the sixties, we used to call it the apocalypse plan

Let things get as bad as they can. Give to Caesar everything that is Caesar's. Just stand back and watch it fall apart. The rationale is that the more you get involved in the process, by ameliorating the system's destructive effects -- things like food stamps and drug cards -- the more you perpetuate the machine. Some revolutionary Naderites still cling to this theory that bad is good.