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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:30 PM
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Timeline ? Who's Who? Can we fill in the blanks?
Has anyone prepared a timeline and a who‘s who?

WHAT WE KNOW AND DON'T KNOW

It was stated today that a U.S. Lieutenant spilled the beans.

Who came first the Lt or Amnesty or the Red Cross? Assuming they contacted the U.S., were those organizations rebuffed or heard by the Military or the White House?

It appears that the Military Intelligence and CIA were in charge of the military soldiers and officers. Is that also true of the prison in the south of Iraq that the British were at?

Does anyone know if someone in the Pentagon leaked the photos to CBS?

TIMELINE

March 2003 Amnesty International starts investigating reports of abuse.

January 2004 Military claims they received the Taguba Report without images. This means the report was initiated many months before (x month in 2003) because it is a monster in size and it would have had to have been finessed and vetted by many departments of the Pentagon, CIA, CEO’s, PNAC, and the White House.

January 2004 Rumsfeld claims he told the world.

April 2004 CBS receives photos and is asked by the military to delay the viewing.

May 2004 Images burst.

May 2004 Prisoners are released.

May 2004 Bush says Rumsfeld stays.

May 2004 Rumsfeld speaks to Senate and Congress.

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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:02 PM
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1. Here's a story dated Jan 2003
Edited on Fri May-07-04 09:05 PM by notadmblnd
Is the US military torturing Iraqis with electricity?
Dahr Jamail, Electronic Iraq, 8 January 2003



Snip: 7 January 2003 -- Sadiq Zoman Abrahim, 55 years old, was detained this past August in Kirkuk by US Soldiers during a home raid which produced no weapons. He was taken to the police office in Kirkuk, questioned by the Americans there, then transferred to Kirkuk Airport Detention Center.


snip:According the Coalition Joint Task Force 7 Coalition Press Information Center, in a press release dated June 30, 2003,

"The recent stories of Coalition forces torturing Iraqi detainees are false. It is not Coalition policy to violate the human rights of Iraqi detainees, held in custody."

US Army Col. Marc Warren, Coalition forces' top Judge Advocate adds,

more... http://electroniciraq.net/news/1313.shtml

on edit: I just happened on this site, can't speak to the credibility of it.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:07 PM
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2. OK - let's add it because there is a U.S. response
TIMELINE

January 2003 Report of torture by electricity. U.S. Army Col. refutes. (Col. Marc Warren, Coalition Forces Judge Advocate)

March 2003 Amnesty International starts investigating reports of abuse.

January 2004 Military claims they received the Taguba Report without images. This means the report was initiated many months before (x month in 2003) because it is a monster in size and it would have had to have been finessed and vetted by many departments of the Pentagon, CIA, CEO’s, PNAC, and the White House.

January 2004 Rumsfeld claims he told the world.

April 2004 CBS receives photos and is asked by the military to delay the viewing.

May 2004 Images burst.

May 2004 Prisoners are released.

May 2004 Bush says Rumsfeld stays.

May 2004 Rumsfeld speaks to Senate and Congress.


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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:10 PM
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3. Side point: Numbers on chest? Hole in chest?
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laura888 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:19 PM
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4. Investigation in Fall of 2004
7. (U) The Investigating Team began its inquiry with an in-depth analysis of the Report on Detention and Corrections in Iraq, dated 5 November 2003, conducted by MG Ryder and a team of military police, legal, medical, and automation experts.

The Ryder Report (submitted in late 2003) concluded that the "OEF template whereby military police actively set the favorable conditions for subsequent interviews runs counter to the smooth operation of a detention facility."

However, things may still have not been running so smoothly, as another team (with Taguba) was sent in to investigate in January 2004.

From the Taguba Report
See here:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/006032.html
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 10:23 PM
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6. Revised broad timeline - reveals year of claims and investigations
Edited on Fri May-07-04 10:24 PM by higher class
TIMELINE

January 2003 Report of torture by electricity. U.S. Army Col. refutes. (Col. Marc Warren, Coalition Forces Judge Advocate)

March 2003 Amnesty International starts investigating reports of abuse.

November 2003 Ryder Report – U.S. Report on Detention and Corrections in Iraq. Detention not going smoothly.

October?-December 2003 Second report prepared – Taguba Report.

January 2004 Military claims they received the Taguba Report without images. This means the report was initiated many months before (x month in 2003) because it is a monster in size and it would have had to have been finessed and vetted by many departments of the Pentagon, CIA, CEO’s, PNAC, and the White House.

January 2004 Rumsfeld claims he told the media/world?.

April 2004 CBS receives photos and is asked by the military to delay the viewing.

May 2004 Images burst.

May 2004 Prisoners are released.

May 2004 Bush says Rumsfeld stays.

May 2004 Rumsfeld speaks to Senate and Congress.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 09:33 PM
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5. There were reports of torture coming from
Afghanistan coming even earlier. This torture was/is SOP and everyday occurance/ It was condoned, it was encouraged.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030331&s=press

snip: Death certificates released for two Al Qaeda suspects who died while in US custody at the Bagram base in Afghanistan showed that both were killed by "blunt force injuries." Other detainees told of being hung from the ceiling by chains.

The Bush Administration insists that the United States has not violated the UN Convention Against Torture, which the Senate ratified in 1994. But the cascade of recent revelations has left human rights groups understandably alarmed. Shortly after the Washington Post article appeared, a coalition of organizations, including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, fired off a letter to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz calling upon the Bush Administration to unequivocally denounce torture and clarify that the United States will "neither seek nor rely upon intelligence obtained" through such practices. But few have echoed their call. "There's been a painful silence about this," says Human Rights Watch executive director Ken Roth. "I haven't heard anyone in Congress call for hearings or even speak out publicly." The silence extends to the media, where, until Mohammed's capture, no follow-up investigations and few editorials had appeared--not even in the New York Times.

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