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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 06:21 PM
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The torture story is deflecting attention from the fact that the whole
invasion is torture and rape, by the way.

It suggests that the invasion could take place without torture. The implication is that without these torture crimes -- if the people who committed them are found and punished -- what America has done in Iraq would be OK.

People, the whole thing is torture and rape. That's its starting point. You can't punish a few bad apples and make it all OK.

Just my two cents.

So, if you're complaining about this, don't frame it in a way which allows the stuff we've seen pictures act as a symbol of one little thing that has gone wrong. Make sure people realize that it's a symbol of the whole thing,

Bush can't apologize for these pictures. He has to apologize for the whole invasion.

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 06:37 PM
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1. good point AP eom
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 06:39 PM
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2. It's a symptom of the entire illegal and sordid mess
Just one more wrong in a whole list of wrongs..which began with the invasion of a country under the banner of lies.
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 06:41 PM
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3. torture: bad. mass slaughter....no biggy
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 06:44 PM
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4. Agree completely
An illegal invasion, deaths and injuries to so many innocent.

A WH gone MAD!
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:00 PM
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5. Hear! Hear!
And they have known about this stuff from the beginning. They're only doing damage control because the photos got leaked.


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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:10 PM
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6. And the damage control is pretty clever. Apologize for it, and suddenly
the whole thing is OK.

We shouldn't be asking for apologies for the pictures (or even JUST for convictions of these people in the pictures).

We should be arguing that the pictures are symptomatic of the whole problem, and you can't make right what's wrong by just addressing this one symptom.

We have to stop the ENTIRE rape, torture, humiliation, etc., which is the invasion itself.

(As if there would be no rape, etc., if not for the pictures. Right!)
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:19 PM
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7. A few bad apples..disgusting..not the American way...
Why, this is the most people-friendly invasion and conquering of a country ... in history!

Let's not get hung up on this little aberration. Just send 25 billion more so we can keep on liberating.

Thanks, AP. You are so right.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 07:26 PM
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8. the only reason it's a scandal is because it's sexual
Bush finally has his sex scandal.

If it were just about violence, we'd never hear about it. Nobody would care.
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