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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:09 PM
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Should Rumsfeld resign?
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can_of_sprite Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:11 PM
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1. Should
Rumsfield have resigned months ago? Yes
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 05:41 PM
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16. As of right now....must be getting freeped..
freepers must be deleting the cookies and voting over and over...

Should Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld resign over U.S. military abuse of Iraqi prisoners?

Yes 47% 71877 votes

No 53% 80386 votes
Total: 152263 votes

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Tim4319 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:15 PM
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2. So far the no's are winning!
Yes 46%
No 54%
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:18 PM
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3. Rumsfeld is not the top felon
His Chimperial Majesty chose Condi to manage post-occupation Iraqi affairs.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-10-06-rice-iraq_x.htm

Rummy is culpable, truly, but I don't want any of these other creeps to escape responsibility and pin all the blame on him. There have been indications all along that while Rummy is bad, there are people, like Condi and Wolfowitz, who are a lot worse, and who are so bad that they make Rumsfeld himself gag, and that they have been pressuring to go to extremes beyond which he was originally prepared to go. For all his villainy, Rummy may have more in common with the amoral Colin Powell than the clearly stupid Condi and the clearly depraved and immoral Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle and Woolsey.

Yeah, for the sake of politics in an election year, there will have to be a blood sacrifice in the WH, and they just have to find the felon who is most convenient to blame, and let the public concentrate their ire on him, and BELIEVE that a significant change has occured, when REALLY the Bushistas fully intend to continue to carry out the PNAC program.
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methinks2 Donating Member (894 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:26 PM
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6. So . . . should Condi get fired
Someone will need to be fired. Will it be that woman who was running the prison?
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chookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:09 PM
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20. Condi SHOULD go, but won't be the one
Personally, I think Dr Rice is incompetent. We hear so much about how "smart" she is, but she is not exercising any wisdom or understanding of neither US foreign policy or the Middle East. She has made breathtaking errors of judgement. I would have sacked her ages ago.

But they can't get rid of her, because they need this bit of female African-American window-dressing. When cornered on his policies that adversely effect either of these groups, His CHimperial Majesty's defense has been to point at Condi.

Ha ha -- we hear so much wind from the RW about how affirmative action has raised blacks with poor qualifications into positions they do not deserve to occupy. And look at their Condi -- she is only where she is today because she has made a career telling the old white men what they want to hear..

They may choose Rummy for the fall. He seems to be the most dispensible.

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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:18 PM
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4. Of Course Not, Ma'am
He is far too useful a target....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:20 PM
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5. I did already.
But I think some of the people that voted no, would like for him to be fired.

"Yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!"--Howard Dean
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:27 PM
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7. Vote Yes......the no's are winning....make a statement.
:kick:
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Ficus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:31 PM
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8. yes
but it will be sad if his press conferences aren't able to be sung by Opera singers.

I hope Wolfowitz wouldn't get bumped up to #1. Ouch.
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AgentLadyBug Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:32 PM
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9. isn't it strategically ok for dems to wanna keep rummy?
but isn't the idea of keeping rummy on, so that he's there in november to "poison" the ticket, a perfectly fine strategic idea?

In general, "yah, bush, keep all the idiots and incompentents on board; we'll fire the lot o' yah come november"

no?

i guess, however, there is the flip side - rummy around = our kids dying, so that's definitely not so cool.... otoh, it isn't clear that anyone else BUSH WOULD BE INCLINED TO PUT IN RUMMY'S PLACE would do any better than rummy....

i'm just not sure...
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:38 PM
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10. Sounds like Bush is pissed.
Edited on Wed May-05-04 04:39 PM by BullGooseLoony
Wouldn't be surprised if he got fired. Of course, he'd resign first.

Edited for clarity
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:38 PM
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11. Of course Bush isn't REALLY pissed
but if that's the idea they're sending out there....
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 05:30 PM
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13. the only thing Bush is pissed about is that they got caught . . . n/t
.
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can_of_sprite Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 05:53 PM
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17. That is so true.
The Bush administration only ever apologizes when they get caught. That's why they knew about this months ago and didn't do a thing about it until CBS and Seymour Hirsh.


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joshdawg Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:45 PM
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12. Should Rummy resign?
Not yes, but HELL YES!!!
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 05:31 PM
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14. done. 47% Yes, 53% No. nt
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JHBowden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 05:32 PM
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15. For not planning for the occupation?
Yes. For the torture, no.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 05:56 PM
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18. Wonder how many of the No's
are people who don't want him to resign, because he really should be FIRED!
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 06:04 PM
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19. Well, I voted Yes
but No did cross my mind because I want to see them all sitting together before the ICC. :mad:
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 08:28 PM
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21. Hell no, let him waller in this mess of his own making.
It's only going to get worse, he should be held accountable, not let off the hook into semi-retirement, making millions in the private sector from the very defense contractors that he delivered billions of dollars of contracts to.
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