Torture word

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Tortured Words

Q Mr. Secretary, a number of times from the podium you've said U.S. troops do not torture individuals. There was a joking colloquy one time here about the iron maiden, remarks -- I mean, does this report undercut your notion that the U.S. doesn't torture, this is -- is this one of those rare exceptions here that torture took place?

SEC. RUMSFELD: I think that -- I'm not a lawyer. My impression is that what has been charged thus far is abuse, which I believe technically is different from torture.

Just a minute.

Q (Off mike.) SEC. RUMSFELD: I don't know if the -- it is correct to say what you just said, that torture has taken place, or that there's been a conviction for torture. And therefore I'm not going to address the torture word.

There's no question but that it has been my conviction that all of our rules, all of our procedures, all of our training is against abuse of people that are detained. You know that. I know that. I've been over it in detail.

And the fact that it happens -- notwithstanding the fact that it's against everything that they're taught, against everything that we believe, it's also against anything that any individual on their own ought to believe is right. And so there's -- all I can say is what I've said.

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Torture Words

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=10596&Cr=iraq&Cr1=

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1. Talk about Tortured Language

'Well, Ted, I'm not sure if it's really Torture per se, there are some who said it closely resembled Abuse, and others who think Extended Mistreatment might be a more accurate description. Our investigative team prefers to call it "Happy Flower Candy Time Fun", which we believe to be more in keeping with the strong family values of our military police.'

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7. a new mantra

Thing is, I can vividly imagine him saying it.

Happy Flower Candy Time Fun




(High res available here: http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Jul2003/030724-D-9880W-084.html )

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8. "There are the Tortures we know we know about...

...there are Tortures we don't know we know about, there are Tortures that we know we don't know about, and there are Tortures we don't know we don't know about. But there's no question that frequent 'Happy Flower Candy Time Fun' sessions are making the world a safer place for democracy."

[AussieInCA]

2. tell that to the 20 iraqis that died in the prisons

[LibertyorDeath]

3. The man is a worm a disgrace to the USA

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5. To his credit, he said one true thing.

He is not lawyer.

Also, he didn't say "Happy Flower Candy Time Fun"

:evilgrin:

[drkedjr]

4. And, I can only assume

that the MTV rewired brains of the last couple of generations cannot or will not understand a single thing being reviewed
here. Just too many words and thoughts per sentence beyond the 15 second infomation flash, to which we are now programmed to respond. So sad ...

[riverwalker]

6. my Q's

Q: Mr. Secretary, since your intelligence already made it clear that no weapons would be found, what was the point of your authorization of torture? Could it be that you are one sick sadistic bastard?
Q: I have a follow-up, Sir. It's been said that you are a grinning ghoul with the severest case of short man syndrome since Napoleon Bonaparte, and rely on death and sadism to boost a non-existant testosterone level. Is this true, sir?

[moof]

9. Voice from the back of the room....

Sir I think we can help you settle this,
ok your not a lawyer, how about you take off all your cloths bend over & we'll stick this broom handle up your behind & then
you tell us which term you think more appopriately describes your
experience ,keeping in mind of course that we have cameras here & will be able to have the pictures posted on the net in a few hours & in most major publications tomorrow. Care to answer now or shall we wait till tomorroiw to see if the impact of your family & friends seeing
you in the press in such a state will have any bearing on your answer ?

[Wind Dancer]

12. I would love to be that voice

Can you imagine the reaction?

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10. Project to Enforce the Geneva Conventions

Found this linked at Juan Cole:

http://pegc.no-ip.info

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11. kick for clear thinking, clear speaking, clear acting

There's a minor brouhaha over at Kos similar to the disputes that raged here a few days ago.

Torture, like terror, has its apologists. Ugh.

So, What is torture, really? The answer to that is not entirely arbitrary. There are some very clear definitions of torture according to international law:

• torture according to the Geneva Convention
  
• Convention Against Torture....
  
• UN concerns about Abu Ghraib
  

So then, I use satire and parody a lot to make my point, and that probably turns people off, and the outrage probably seems dissipated or pointless. Well, if you've read this far, please take a moment to consider the gravity of the crimes that have been committed at Abu Ghraib, in Iraq, and under the banner of the "War on Terror."

My argument is that failure to call a thing by its proper name may seem like a mere peccadillo, but in fact, if you think about it, it's a huge betrayal. Such deceptions are essential to the Vulcans' enterprise, which at the very least represents a seditious conspiracy, and quite possibly could develop into the greatest crime against humanity since the Nazis took power. I'm sorry if you think that's hyperbole. I don't.

Peace out.