When will we reach the tipping point?

[JCMach1]

by WE, I mean a supermajority of the population of the U.S.

How many revealations does it take?

Would * have to be caught with a donkey on the front lawn?


What is it going to take?

and

Have we reached it?

I don't think we have, but I can smell it from here...

[KittyWampus]

1. IMO, We Did With Richard Clarke's Testimony

And the torture info coming now, on anniversary of Bush's Mission Accomplished nonsense...

there are definately elements in the intelligence/military structure who are working to dislodge Bush.

And I suspect in the Media as well.

[angryinoville]

4. If it were Clinton in office...

it would have been over long, long ago. For some unexplained reason (yeah right!) this guy is still standing. But just barely. I'm thinking about going down to DC or Crawford, TX where ever he happens to be and knocking him over myself.

[KittyWampus]

7. Clinton Didn't Have A Cosa Nostra At His Command

supporting/propping him up.

Which shows his genius for surviving.

However, because the network trying to insulate Junior etc. is so big and pervasive... those on the "inside" who are working to dismantle the Neo-Cons are having to play every one of their cards just right.

[Must_B_Free]

8. The Media Signaled it Friday

the deals have been cut Shrub is out.

Here was the five prong TET offensive that they delivered onto Bush, Friday:

- Mission Accomplished 1 year anniversary
- Sinclair hiding war dead
- Kerry response to Cheney speech at the University (and they didn't Al Gore him)
- US Retreat from Fallujah, signaling defeat.
- Iraqi Prisoner turture and abuse.

ALL the channels covered these with an Anti-Shrub tone, except FOX, who is all alone and spinning madly trying to give their base reasons to cling to, but there were too many fronts to defend at once.

[doni_georgia]

9. You're right - you forgot Joe Wilson's book release which will

add more fuel to the fire. He said it today on MTP - the press has been afraid to run with stories because this administration will GET anyone who dares go against them. Just by Wilson saying it, it will give some the cajones to do it.

[callous taoboy]

12. It is a mighty cascade, the facade

crumbling before our eyes.

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. I think we have...

I think Bush only has his religious fanatic supporters, and his brain dead gun loving supporters.

The problem is the media. They will neave refer to Bush as toast.

[Blue-Jay]

6. You are correct!

The media has ZERO interest in a blowout election. A close race results in higher ratings, and they'll do everything possible to make people believe that it's going to be close. I think the scale has already tipped, and only a political disaster of some sort will change that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. I think we have

People are still at the anger stage, and even making deals

But we have been at the tipping point for weeks, that is why with
all the money spent by Bush on commercials, his poll numbers
are barely moving... and trending down

[trof]

5. Yes, I think we have too.

I think it's over for bush* and his henchmen.
I only hope there's enough anger left over to change the balance in congress.

[qazplm]

10. there is no tipping point

in a 50/50 country...because basically we have three groups of people

liberals/strong democrats who think like us here
moderates/undecideds
conservatives/strong republicans who think the opposite of us

Nothing new will happen to change group one or three's minds.

The middle group may change their minds but that group is relatively small so even if they all break one way or the other, it will still not show up so much in the Electoral College.

[Davis_X_Machina]

11. There is no tipping point...

...at least in the near future.

In a traditional Mafia bustout, after you've stolen all the stock, fenced it for cash, and run dry all the credit lines, and cashed them out, you then torch the property for the insurance.

We're not even close to that point yet.

They won't go -- peacefully, that is -- unless they decide to go.

No one here remembers Ceaucescu, it looks like.

[JCMach1]

13. Some do... I studied the arcane

and often neocon art of

'National Security' in the 1980's...

[davekriss]

15. neocon art of the eighties

...retro art?

Like appointing John Negroponte ambassador to the "new" Iraq? John, our Honduran ambassador in the eighties during the heights of the Contra terrorism, the Battalion 3-16 atrocities, and CIA-trained death squads?

Let's start with Elliot Abrams and the conclusions we can draw from the fact that the GWB administration made him the NSC's Director of the Office of Democracy, Human Rights, and International Operations (he has since been "promoted" to another position).

That early appointment was a slap in the face to all concerned with social justice, an intentional slap in the face!

Elliot served the Reagan administration first as Assistant Secretary of State for Humanitarian Affairs and later as Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs. He was, if I recall, convicted (then pardoned) for perjury during the Iran-Contra affair. He directed U.S. policy in Latin America during the time when we illegally attempted (and succeeded in) overthrowing the Sandinistas, funded the death squad military in El Salvador, provided Honduras with support while its infamous Battalion 3-16, a U.S. trained death squad, committed atrocity after atrocity. The El Mozote Massacre occurred under his watch as well as the "investigations" into the assassination of Archbishop Romero. At best, we can judge Elliot as highly ineffective and incompetent; at worst, complicit in the evils of the day. As with so many things Bush, the truth surely lies somewhere in between -- but note that there is NOTHING positive on this continuum!

I've feared since December 12 that what we are watching, with internal policies and appointments, is the setup of the infrastructure that was so successful in Central America in the eighties. The powers behind Bush have written off vast swaths of American citizenry as "useless eaters" and "cannon fodder" and are instead intent on strengthening the financial fortresses of elites knowing that blowback, from all fronts, will come. But (my point) they are armed and ready for that.

My tin-foil guess is the "October Surprise" will be a terrorist attack, cancelled elections, and (as Tommy Frank's suggested) the complete shredding of the Constitution in face of martial law, ushering in the New Imperium of PNAC's Pax Americana.

[BillZBubb]

14. There won't be a tipping point

if super-majority is the yardstick. 45% of the population will vote for Bush* NO MATTER WHAT. There is another 10% that is up in the air and could join our 45%.

Bush*s 45% are locked in: the fundies, gun-nuts, anti-choicer's, fascists (we need a strong leader!), the wealthy, and the other mentally and morally challenged.