Bush is behind the releasing of torture photos

[samadhi]

Everything is going as planned.
After Iraqis go into rage and revenge, there will be pictures released showing the torture of Americans.
Next step, Tactical Nuclear weapons.
And Americans will love him for "protecting" them.

Anti-war people have been proven to be correct on every prediction so far despite the attempts to discredit by our own party (DLC).

[BlueEyedSon]

1. I have thought this too, unfortunately.

"No matter how cynical you get, you can't keep up." --Lily Tomlin

[tkmorris]

2. Nonsense

These photos help the Bush admin not at all. This is not part of some Machiavellian plan to introduce nukes.

There ARE conpiracies my friend, in every direction you look, but it is a mistake to think that EVERY incident was pre-planned. That way lies madness.

[dudeness]

3. agreed 100%

to ensure your soldiers will kill on demand you must dehumanize your opponent..this is just the result...

[BlueEyedSon]

6. No one is suggesting the pictures are staged or the

events didn't happen.

The pictures going public will lead to escalation. A silver lining for Bush!

[dudeness]

8. perhaps..

in Australia..these events have been received badly..only serving to diminish the propaganda tools that regularily defend the illegal occupation..if the US buys your prognosis then we all go down together..i would hope for better..

[mhr]

4. Rummy Must Be Itching To Try The Tactical Nukes

Only problem is if it happens then all the fundies and freepers will definitely vote * back in for "having the balls to use them."

During the crusades, didn't the fundies of the day revel in mounds of brown people? Don't the freepers speak repeatedly of "kill 'em all and let God sort it out?"

Seems the tactical nuke would be the orgasmic climax for these two groups as mounds and mounds of toasted and roasted brown people fill their TV screens.

They are a sick and sad lot lead by a sick and sad man.

[LondonAmerican]

9. You don't nuke places you are trying to colonise

Going off the deep end won't help make your point. They're not planning to nuke their new colony.

[mhr]

11. Don't Understand Your Point - The Fundies And Freepers Are Clear On This.

Dead brown people is what they want.

Maybe you should spend more time in the deep south?

[RC]

14. What's a little more radiation in a country covered in DU already.

:eyes:

[CJCRANE]

5. No but there's something fishy about the British photos n/t

..

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. I think the British pics are red herrings

so that the government can 'prove' they were faked, thereby implying that all the other real photos were faked also.

[LondonAmerican]

10. Exactly

That's what I'm thinking is what's happened. Not good.

[drfemoe]

12. They can't be *faked* .. does the Army file charges on

fake photos? The Brigadier General saw the photos in January. The MPs are real people, with pending charges or hearings. These are NOT faked. Furthermore, these *policies* are coming from the highest level of US government. They've been working on the "fine" points in Gitmo for three years. So far, it's a cottage industry of torture, opening new branches as the opportunity arises. It is sick and corrupt.

<snipped>
In March, the Army charged six military police officers, all from one Army reserve unit, with the physical and sexual abuse of 20 prisoners at Abu Ghraib in November and December. A criminal probe into the actions of four other soldiers is continuing.

According to a source familiar with the March findings of an administrative review conducted by the Army, the 205th Military Intelligence Brigade, which helped oversee the questioning of prisoners at Abu Ghraib, pressed members of the military police unit, 372nd Military Police Company, to use rough tactics to prepare prisoners for questioning.

U.S. officials said the review, by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, found that prisoners at Abu Ghraib were regularly subjected to cruel and harsh punishments. In an article posted on its Web site, the New Yorker magazine reported in its May 10 issue that Taguba found a pattern of "sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses" at the prison.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4880919

[LeahMira]

15. Not necessarily...

They can't be *faked* .. does the Army file charges on fake photos?

Filing charges means that an investigation into guilt is warranted. That is no guarantee that the individuals involved will be found guilty of anything.

I wondered from the beginning how it came to be that these photos came to light. I guess I believe that much worse has happened and is being covered up or at least someone has chosen not to make a big deal out of it.

I'm afraid that these photos will disappear from the front pages rather quickly, along with the many other scandals we've seen in the administration, and that the individuals involved will manage to evade punishment. Has Ken Lay been punished yet? Has the person who put anthrax in mail been found? Has the one who blew Valerie Plame's cover been brought to justice? Does anyone in the country really care?

[drfemoe]

20. oops

you got it backwards.. the investigation led to the charges being filed.

Please read the pertinent news reports.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. There are two different sets of pictures here

The pictures from Abu Ghraib are definitely real and the Americans in those pics have been identified.

It is the pics that showed up in the British paper the Mirror that are questionable and therefore may be an attempt to muddy the war and confuse people, especially people who are looking for an excuse to justify these horrible war crimes.

[drfemoe]

19. I'm just saying

even if the Brit pics are proven to be false, the original US MP pics still have been authenticated. They were part of the original evidence that prompted the investigation.

You are right, that *some* RW nut cases MIGHT try to discredit the authentic .. But they are desperate people, who will twist anything to maintain their denial.

[izzie]

13. I just do not read all this into it

I think you are giving to much credit to things that just happen.If you have CIA in their telling then what to do some one up higher then PFC's are behind it and who knows about silly people with a film to waste. Besides that, once a college did a study on the jail and guard thing and had to stop the study because of the violence these college students did to each other and they were only a study group. Power over one group of people by other does produce this type of stuff.I am sure they are going or have done it to our side. They have had trouble in other places also. This has been hinted at since I got this PC and the war started.

[KharmaTrain]

17. Some Questions...

If we were to nuke Iraq, where? Fallujah? Baghdad? Najaf? Just throw a dart at the map? Yes, these goons are insane, but not that far off the deep-end.

Dropping a nuke would contaminate the area we need to pump all that oil out of. As the saying goes, you don't shit where you sleep. If you believe, as I do, that this war was to exploit this country for the oil...as witnessed by how careful this regime has been to capture, protect and repair oil facilities, irradiating the region is not a very smart idea...even for people who are playing with only 48 cards.

Next...how can outrage in the Arab world be helping this regime? I'm sure this isn't going over too well with our "friends" the Saudis, Jordanians, Egyptians...ya know, the folks who manned those airplanes on 9/11. These are recruiting posters for the lunatics in that part of the world.

Finally, if this were Americans being humiliated in American jails by foreign occupiers, how would this go over with the occupied...the ones you want to make you look good? Remember, this ruse is to put some puppet regime in Baghdad that has some legitamcy (how fleeting that option now remains) and to do this the country has to be "pacified". Two ways to do this...bomb the f out of 'em or "win hearts and minds"...you tell me which one serves this regime's short-term (and that's all they care about) goals. Remember those happy Iraqis?

As others here have well stated, this is the by-product of a military culture that de-humanizes its enemy. Sorry, war isn't about being nice, it's about killing and breaking your enemies will to fight, and humiliation is considered as much a weapon as a gun. No, I'm not justifying this in the least, just attempting to adjust to an ever-changing situation. While I had been one of those who said "stay the course" until we could get the U.N. in (both politically and militarily), now, I'm joining the "cut & run" school...this adventurism is getting way too expensive.

[maddezmom]

18. nah, don't buy it

this story has legs....and bush and his cronies are not going to be able to stop it.

[Guaranteed]

21. Personally, I think Saddam had this all planned out

ten years ago. He's really just trying to get to Bush I's son, and when he gets close enough to him, he's going to set off the nuke that he's hiding up his ass.