The upside - Iraqi torture.

[Bonhomme Richard]

The upside of this Iraqi torture story is that, as a nation, we do still hold ourselves to a different standard. As a nation, the people( not the leaders) expect us to be different and will hold accountable those that condone such actions.
Now whether those truly accountable will ever be known is another question. I guess the point is that the citizens of this country still expect answers regarding this atrocity and those in power feel a need to respond. There is still hope.
Sad to say, I don't really expect the truth, but some sanitized version to appease the populace.

[seabeyond]

1. i think this is the

on the way out of war. there have been a lot of moments. but i am seeing such a muck of the last months that i am seeing the war fizzling away. and it is going to stop the u.s. from going to war at least another two decades, adn gonna put u.s.in their place where we arent going to have cooperation or ability to abuse our power like we have in the past.

could be a time to be humble. i could go for humble and a feel of shame right now. i dotn fear that

[Doctor_J]

2. I don't really see us becoming humble soon

* and the 50% of the populace who think things are great with him driving aren't going to be humbled any more by this than they are about LIHOP or Anthrax or the Patriot Act or Valerie Plame. IOW, if they can still be arrogant after three years of Smirk's press conferences, temper tantrums, diastrous policy decisions, and vacations, a little over-assertiveness by the troops won't turn them. Hell, they still wear as a badge of honor the fact that Canada, France, Germany, Itlay, Venezuela, and most of the ME hate us. To them , every nation that turns on us is another indication that * is doing great.

[TroubleMan]

3. I understand your point, but there is no upside to these horrible acts

The ends don't justify the means, even if somebody else is doing "the means."

I don't want bad things like this to happen even if they are bad for bush.