What's wrong with Kerry's plan for Iraq?

[jpgray]

If you hate it, I hope you hate Dean's also. Why? Oh because they're exactly the same. Please research an issue and your candidate's position before you post. Or, think before you speak.

Ooh! Multilateral peacekeeping via the UN? NATO? Dispel the notion of a USA occupation? Boo! Kerry, you suck! We don't want another Vietnam!

Or you could just post "I hate (insert candidate name)" so everyone can be aware of what your motivations are. First people dissing Kerry for criticizing Bush yesterday, now they are crapping all over him for his sensible plan regarding Iraq? O-o-o-okay. Let's face it, you just hate him, may as well post that instead of making yourself look foolish.

;-)

[DrGonzoLives]

1. The same could be said of the Anyone-But-Dean crowd

As far as the "I hate (insert candidate name)" part.

[jpgray]

2. Very true

Dean is a good candidate.

[Andy_Stephenson]

3. Kerry's vote...

is the reason we are in Iraq. Dean sees the fact we are there and now have to stay. Kerry put us there. He should have had a plan before voting YES to war.

[jpgray]

4. So Bush isn't the reason we're in Iraq?

Interesting take.

[Jacobin]

6. You may not remember

Let me refresh your memory.

Last fall, before the elections, bush* decided to get congressional approval for the invasion. Kerry voted for the invasion, despite huge outpourings of pleas from citizens all over the country, explaining in detail why this would turn out like it has.

He ignored us.

By voting for the invasion, yes......IMHO he enabled the invasion.
Funny logic, I know, but it works for me. :-)

[blm]

11. Bush would have been in Iraq with Biden-Lugar, too.

But, that doesn't seem to bother you. If it had passed over the Iraq resolution, then what position would you take?

[w13rd0]

8. No, Bush ISN'T the reason...

...as we've seen, consistent applied pressure WORKS. Attacking this misadministrations fouled up policies works. The elected reps are too damn concerned with staying "elected" or "electable". The evidence was refuted BEFORE the war. They should have listened to the "focus groups". Bush may have tried to push ahead without Congressional approval, he went ahead without UN approval. But Congress owed it to US and the soldiers now serving to have a full and fair debate on the matter, examining the veracity of all the (now realized to be bogus) evidence.

Nope, won't criticize the plan, but the messenger should have listened to his constituents.

[Jacobin]

5. Maybe they (and I) are upset that Kerry voted for the invasion

and remember that Dean did not (yeah, I know he wasn't in Congress and couldn't.....so what?).

Now that we have a clusterfuck in Iraq, it seems somewhat, well, unseemly for those who screwed this thing up to come up with ideas on "fixing" it.

Coming from Dean, it is not tainted since he didn't participate in the making of the problem. That may be the source of some of the angst you see about Kerry. Many of us, including me, burned the midnight oil faxing, emailing, writing, and calling with messages to Congress (including Kerry) to vote AGAINST the invasion. We were completely ignored.

Disclosure: I have sent Dean money and hope he gets the nomination. If Kerry gets the nomination, I will vote for him, and hope that TWO Vietnams are all he will participate in for the rest of his career.

[jpgray]

7. I like Dean too, but I hate seeing Kerry get a hard time

When he is trying to mend his ways.

[Andy_Stephenson]

9. When he repudiates his War Vote,

Patriot Act vote and Homeland Gestapo...I might forgive him...but I doubt it...to much blood has been spilled. But let me state again...I will never vote for Kerry...under any circumstances. If he is the Dem nominee. Well I won't be voting for President or writing in Minnie Mouse.

[w13rd0]

10. The guy who occupies the White House now...

...consistently ignores his constituency, misprepresents 'evidence', and tries to pretend he didn't say something stupid yesterday.

Mending one's ways is fine, but on matters of such gravity, is it enough for absolution? Too many said, "I trust this President" when EVERYTHING screamed at them to do nothing of the sort, but instead to fight and claw tooth and nail for this nation. They thought it more important to preserve a pretense of "electability"...