Victory is not an option.

[Plaid Adder]

OK, so there are two possible outcomes of this engagement in Fallujah:

1) We obliterate the city, kill just about everyone who could possibly be a threat to us, and destroy all the weapons hidden therein. This creates so much outrage in Iraq, the Arab world, the international Muslim community, and the world in general that the remaining "coalition partners" abandon us and support for resistance to the American presence in Iraq multiplies a hundredfold.

2) We negotiate a truce with the resistance leaders in Fallujah and the standoff ends with them having some kind of autonomous control over the city. This is seen as the go-ahead sign for other regional leaders in other Iraqi cities to go and do likewise.

The Fallujans would prefer #2, as no doubt would many other local would-be leaders. We, as in the US and the American soldiers and civilians we have over there, are about equally screwed either way. We can't even control the situation now; no way are we going to be able to control it after whatever we do in Fallujah. We are past the point when it was possible for this to come out well for us. From here on in, the only available outcome is disaster; the suspense lies only in what form the disaster will take and how bad it will be.

So fuck everyone who got us all into this, especially Bush & Cheney.

Happy Wednesday, everyone,

The Plaid Adder

[BlueEyedSon]

1. I read somewhere recently that

withdrawing is politically impossible &
winning is militarily impossible.

Ooops! :crazy:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. I've got $5 saying we

shoot for annihilating the city. Don't look now, but I bet Bush has his finger on the little red nuclear button. I can almost hear his justification speech now...

[Plaid Adder]

3. Nobody sane would take that bet

because the odds of doing anythign *other* than obliterating the city, given this administration's track record, are about a million billion to one. You watch.

@#$!,

The Plaid Adder

[jean]

4. 1/3 of the people left the city leaving 200,000 amidst the "ceasefire"

[stellanoir]

5. Yesterday somebody posted the word. . .

"zugzwang" to describe the situation. It's a term which describes an impass in a chess game when it's your turn to move but any move will weaken your position. Thought it was an apt description and a really cool obscure word and worthy of another posting.

Can we really believe after seeing all those collosal explosions that there have been "very few Iraqi casualties?" They refer to every dead Iraqi as an "insurgent" regardless of the photo's we see of many young and elderly corpses. It's so sickening.

Heard someone quote a Senator from Vermont's recommendation during Vietnam that "we should just declare victory and leave."

When will the majority finally recognize what a disaster this truly is. . .?