Stop defending! Attack, attack, attack, and then attack some more!

[tableturner]

If you let the GOP do so, they attack relentlessly. They have a pre-programmed, never-ending, constant and coordinated attack machine that is fundamental to their entire campaign. They must get the public to believe that what is false is true, and what is true is false. The only way to do so is with a constant high pitched stream of lies. And they never stop, except when they themselves are being harshly attacked.

It's time to stop this nonsensical thinking whereby we respond to their attacks, after the fact, with rebutting attacks, thinking that when we hit back hard enough, they will stop it and then resort to fair campaigning. Guess what? They will NEVER stop attacking unless they are fending off our attacks, and I am not talking about rebutting attacks. And they will never resort to fair campaigning....NEVER!

The rebuttal info on Kerry's site comparing Cheney's and Kerry's voting records on defense should have been used earlier as an attack, not as a later response, and then we could have watched THEM doing the defending. WE need a coordinated non-stop campaign now, and I am talking about full guns blazing with the same type of rat-a-tat-tat coordination as the enemy uses. This is war. You either outfight the other guy or lose. They are dirty liars and there is only one way to beat a dirty liar:

ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK, AND THEN ATTACK SOME MORE!

edit: spelling

[krkaufman]

1. E X A C T L Y

I've been stewing all day, listening to all the various AAR hosts defending the slurs against Kerry, rather than sticking to message... the incompetence of *.

[opihimoimoi]

4. If Bush was doing such a magnificent job... the ads for him wouldn't have

to be negative.

His record would speak for itself. But alas, no such good record. Instead, his record reeks of failure.

Such is the pressure for the PR guys, What to do, What to do? Their answer is obvious, go neg. "Dig whatever you can and then, dig deeper". "We need shit".

Lipstick on a Pig by making the Canary ugly.... is the result. And America sucks for this shit.... I am embarrassed.

[krkaufman]

7. Yep, agreed.

That's what I offered to a friend to make him feel better. All they have is negativity since they can't offer up any successes.

[bigtree]

Just saying this doesn't make it so

You left out 99% of his site! What motivates folks to attack Kerry to attack Bush? Nonsensible, misguided, uninformed nonsense.

[codegreen]

3. how is urging the Kerry camp to do things 'attacking' them?

[bigtree]

8. Taking a small percentage of his site which is a forward positive response

to Bush attacks, and representing that as the totality of his campaign is a falsehood. It is misinformation. It is a distorted representation of the Kerry campaign. Better?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

2. Yes. Bush is the one with a terrible record as incumbent pres.

that cannot be defended. The incumbent's record is always the chief issue of an election like this. I HOPE JK's campaign truly understands this. Right now, I'm not sure.

[freetobegay]

5. self delete

eom

[lastknowngood]

6. But that wouldn't be polite or presidential the Dem's must be

wusses per the DLC/DNC (Democratic loosership council,Democratic nambypamby council. Listen you had a chance to chose a fighter and decided to chose the "presidential" candidate this party will have to return to standing for something and fighting for something before it will ever win again, if there is another election after this one. The congress just set up a emergency way to establish a congress if a terrorist attack, the repugs wrote the bill and will benefit from it when there plans come together.

[bigtree]

12. wusses, nambypamby? Brilliant!

Actually, YOU and YOUR candidate had a chance. I turns out that whomever you chose was as uninspiring as your baseless charges.

[sandnsea]

9. "The Angry Man" campaign

You bet. Let's rerun that one and see how much further it goes this year as opposed to last year.

It's not time to attack. It's time to promote. Wish people would concentrate on that.

[mtnester]

10. I posted this in another thread

and here it is again:

The only thing the Chimps team can do is try to tear Kerry down..that is ALL they will do for the next six months. If it means outright lies, blantant falsehoods, MAKING SH** UP...that is whay they will do. Listen, these idiots can spin that Jesus was a pacifist into "He was a pacifist, which means he opposes war, which means he is not a patroit which means he is a potential terrorist".

If the spin machine fails, they have Diebold to fall back on. I fear for us, I really do, no matter how hard or smart we work.

[Navaho6]

11. Attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The best defense is a good offense. Kerry learned that in VN, would someone please send the lesson plan to his supporters?

How about some pictures of a youthful Dickie Cheney back during the years he was uninterested in VN?
How about some pictures of a youthful senator from Georgia back during the years he was busy in law school, getting married and starting a family (Safe at last). You know the one! He's the one who accused a VN veteran who lost more than one limb in Nam of being un-patriotic I suppose because he did not have a flag on his bumber or a fish on his trunk!
How about young George II in his cheerleader uniform...Go Team!
What about those patriotic civilian idiots in the defense department?

Attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Attack!!!!!!!!!!!!!Attack

[tableturner]

13. They attack with lies....

And Kerry has the truth on his side. So the argument is already in his favor, if he would just use it, not as a response, but by hitting first. The other side will never quit their dishonest efforts.

The question is not what ammunition you will use in the campaign. You will end up using all of it when you are fighting the GOP. They force you to do so. The only question is WHEN you use your ammunition. Do you use the truthful ammo first, bringing the fight to the opposition, causing him to explain things, thereby throwing off his ability to lie about you? Or do you use those arguments from a defensive posture, while backpeddling after being attacked, always counterpunching from a point of weakness?

The only guy who could beat Tyson during his hey day was Buster Douglass, the ONLY guy of that era to be the one usually throwing the punches first when fighting Tyson.

edit: punctuation

[robbedvoter]

14. YESS! Frame the debate - pick the issues - embarassment of riches

Don't bother responding - tip one on a more important issue. Keep it simple and deadly. or, in Clark's words: "Give them hell and never retreat"

[Shopaholic]

15. Why can't we have a Karl Rove type working for us?

Yeah, I know he's an agent of Satan, but you've got to admit it, Lee Atwater (damn his soul) taught the boy well. If we could only get an attack dog or two working for us like the Repugs have working for them--then we might stand a fighting chance. I used to think it was better to be defeated on principle than to win on lies. That is, until the 2000 election.

[In Sha Allah]

22. YOU COULD HAVE HAD NADER!

If the DLC had enough brains to fill a walnut they could have gotten Nader on board. All it would have taken was a few concessions to please him - maybe cut back on accepting so many bribes, improve CAFE standards, actually crack down on corporate criminals...but so great was their hate they chose to risk four more years of Bush rather than make peace with Ralph.

Idiots.

It's looking more and more like Bush will get legitimately elected despite being the most corrupt President in the history of this country. He's inarticulate, has enough dirty laundry to clothe India, and a full third of the Repuds are angry with him. I actually heard one bitching and moaning about how much debt Bush was racking up, I asked if he was going to sit this election out, he said, and I quote, "Nah. Bush is the lesser of two evils."

Sound familiar?

If Kerry could talk him into it, his best course would be to grant Nader the Veep spot. The Left would unify, the Dems would have their fighter, and Bush would be evicted.

Or, they can "Stay the course," and give the Repuds another four years to wreck the place.

What's more important to Dems, I wonder - ABB or ABN?

[snippy]

16. Bush was looking bad when he was under attack and trying to respond.

That has changed now that he is setting the agenda and the terms of the debate. When Bush has to respond to something he appears to be an incompetent liar, but his lies are much more polished when his staff has more production time. Allowing anyone else to set the agenda and define the terms of the debate is always a losing strategy in any situation. Kerry should have people on his staff who learned this in high school or college.

[bigtree]

19. The media has set the agenda

You are misrepresenting John Kerry's campaign as defensive. For instance, where were the charges that Kerry made in his last speech? The speech before that one? The media has chosen to take every charge, no matter how inane or baseless and present that as forward momentum by Bush. That doesn't mean Kerry is on the defensive, nor should Kerry refrain from defending against these charges just to appear on the offense.

As for people learning something you exault Bush's campaign for, I would suggest that deception and lies do not represent a positive strategy.

[snippy]

23. You misinterpret what I wrote.

I did not "exault" Bush's campaign for anything. Setting the agenda and defining the terms of the debate are techniques that are taught in any mediocre or better high school debating class or any business school management classes. Kerry should have people on his staff familiar with these well known concepts.

As for Kerry's campaign being on the defensive, I have heard Kerry defending himself many times against allegations made by Bush and his surrogates. When Kerry does so, the media reports it because it is more newsworthy than the content of his speeches.

I have no interest in whether Kerry has a positive strategy. I care only about whether he has a winning strategy. Nonpartisan voters will not vote against an incumbent unless they are convinced that the incumbent needs to be fired. The current economy and situation in Iraq have not convinced those people that Bush needs to be fired. If Kerry is interested in winning, he needs to start convincing those voters.

[jab105]

17. YES, ATTACK!!

[symbolman]

18. Here - ATTACK with these.. I have

SO, I'm livid and I want to throw my full support behind Mr John Kerry, but I've been out of the political loop for a few months (moving, trying to make ends meet, etc) so I have no Contact information for the Kerry crew, and I want to get some facetime with Teresa, or someone near to the top. I met their campaign manager, or one of them and was blown off and that soured me a bit, so I need to get to someone that's is willing to take an honest look at what I do and what I'm good and and potentially USE some of my material.

HERE are 15 of what I consider my Best flash movies. They've been seen willie-nillie on the web (some have been slayed in the LATIMES, National Review, etc) - linked on Michaelmoore.com, Howardstern.com and many more Great sites. One of them has been downloaded nearly a million times - I'll let you guess which one, but one clue would be to say that the GERMANS Loved it. :)

"Bush Knew - An American Requiem"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html
Music: Beethoven's Requiem in D major - "LaCrimosa"

WARNING: GRAPHIC

I created this exactly one year after the actual horror took place on 911. I found it absolutely impossible to believe that Bush would sit on his butt in a schoolroom KNOWING that one of the World Trade Center towers had been taken out by an airliner - and STILL sit there (even AFTER Andrew told him personall that the SECOND tower had been hit) and READ A BOOK ABOUT A GOAT FOR OVER A HALF AN HOUR.

Think about that. I've included all the information by the media that shows that he had FULL KNOWLEDGE of our country being under attack when he walked INTO that school (placing all those kids in danger - his whereabouts were well known - this was a planned photo op.

This flash may be disturbing to some people. It involves a split screen that shows Bush reading on the left while the buildings burn and poor souls are leaping to their death. The death that in my opinion was allowed to happen at a minimum and at a maximum shows utter incompetence by Bush, who as we have learned recently had MANY warnings in presidential briefs right up to the cataclysm. BUSH KNEW - AND DID NOTHING.

This flash was made possible by the use of actual footage made at the Booker Elementary school by local media that morning that shows CONCLUSIVELY that Bush SAT on a chair, looking mighty guilty to many of us.

"Bush is Not a Nazi - So Stop Saying That.."
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html

"ARMY OF ONE"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html
or VIEW the 30 second TV ad
here: http://www.bushin30seconds.org/view/11_small.shtml

"Murder By Numbers"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/murderby.html

"CondoLIESa"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/condosleeza.html

"ChickenHawk - Hall of Shame"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/chickenhawks.html

"Triumph of the Wimp"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/triwimp.html

"Pentagoon"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/pentagoon2.html

"VoteREvolution"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/voterevolution.html

"Duct Tape Theater"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/dtape1.html

"Hate Radio Called.."
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/hateradio1.html

"Baghdad Snapshot Action"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/iraqkids.html

"Warnography"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/warnography.html

"The Protest that Never Was"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/noprotest.html

"One Hundred Lies In 30 Seconds"
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/100lies.html

I'm not beating my drum here, these are available for everyone to view (if you haven't seen some of them, then here is your chance)

But mainly this is a plea to anyone that views this page to CONTACT the Kerry Team and help them make use of some of my work and style - I'm offering these works for FREE use by them - we need to get the Beasts out of OUR Precious White House.

[In Sha Allah]

25. Wow!

THE Symbolman! What an honor to bump into you! Kudos!

May I humbly offer a tactic for your consideration? I honestly don't know if it would work, but it never hurts to toss ideas around...

There is a giant pisspot full of Republicans angry at Bush for a slew of reasons. The Constitutional Conservative types are more horrified than we are over our disappearing rights, the Fiscal Conservatives are so alarmed at the debt he has racked up they're hoarding gold and buying survivalist gear, there's some sort of machine-gun loophole that's due to expire that he's not going to fight for and the really extreme gun nuts are howling about it, and the more racist they are, the more they bitch about his "Illegalien Amnesty" plan.

I wonder what sort of effect you'd have if you did what you do so well, but with issues near and dear to tiny, shriveled Republican hearts?

Anyhow, keep up the great work!

[newsguyatl]

20. BINGO!

you're spot on..


we've gotta learn how to beat the punks at their own game...


i happen to be a liberal who talks and thinks (in fighting) like these rnc shitbags (who are so damned good at what they do)... we need more democrats like this...

[BabsSong]

21. TableTurner must be a fucking terrible anti-Democratic person

Right?? That's what you people accuse everyone else of being. He/she is pointing out our weaknesses. Oh, we don't have weaknesses so he/she should be banned, right?? You goddamn right we need some realignment...fast. From all reports this campaign is divided between the Mary Cahill faction which comes from Kenneyd's office and the left-over DLC/Clinton people and the latter is taking control.
Cahill bailed his "miserable failure" butt out in Iowa and he better goddamn go back to her because the Bush campaign is making mincemeat out of things that should be a slam dunk for Kerry--like military records--and laughing all the way about our ineptitude.

[tableturner]

24. "The media has set the agenda" only because....

The Bush campaign is first to the punch, more incessant and coordinated, and with more overall volume. They make such a huge deal with this great coordination, in effect creating the hubub, that the media has to take notice, and thus, gets sucked in. It would be better if the press would see a huge deal being made about our truths, specifically NOT responses to the Bush agenda, driven by dozens of Democratic surrogates trotted out in perfect concert, building to a planned media explosion.

We need to do what they do and if we go head to head, instead of always responding, we attack and we win, because we have a built in advantage, that being that the truth is on our side.

Again, we know that Kerry will use all of his ammo. The GOP will force him to do so. The real question is simply "under what circumstances will he use the ammo?" But rest assured....we WILL have to use it. I say use it to its best advantage, to put them on the defensive, which has a bonus benefit: when they are defending themselves, their attack machine becomes much less efficient.

[Gloria]

26. I just submitted an article to Buzzflash in which I

discuss some of the Kerry campaign's shortcomings, but also add one big suggestion:

Briefly, follow Clark's lead and ASK QUESTIONS. Pointed questions on a few key issues. Over and over. Leave them hanging in the air. Instead of clips from long speeches, eventually the questions will get picked up. By asking key questions, Kerry will be on OFFENSE. People are asking questions now (I give samples from our local papers) just waiting for someone to voice them. If you ask questions, you humanize your campaign AND start reaching those who have doubts and also those who haven't woken up yet. They'll spread through the voting population, in spite of the media, too.

"A Question a Day, Keeps the Bushitas Away"