I think this is awesome, one of the coolest thing I've read in a while..

[wtf]

I found this in one of the comment sections at Kos

As a bicoastal Northerner, I find the continued Southern obsession with their Civil War defeat and 'victimization' fascinating, yet perplexing.
What is also perplexing is that people in this solidly Red region are so firm in their support of the Bush regime and its war in Iraq -- and so convinced it is "the right thing to do." And they cannot understand why Iraqis don't just roll over and let us 'liberate' them. You would think a group of people still griping about being defeated and occupied 140 years after the fact would have some insight into why Iraqis resent the US Occupation and even resist it.

[Jacobin]

1. Very good point.

I've used that on a couple of my friends who have that mindset and it seems to actually ring a bell with them, believe it or not.

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. You would think...

But alas, they have bought into all of the lies that the media whores have been churning out for years...

Propaganda is a bitch.

[arcane1]

3. perspective, such a rare commodity..

sadly :evilfrown:

I'd take it a few wars back and ask these same dumbasses how they would've felt after the Revolution, had France decided to sign over all of our resources, assume control over our military, designed our flag for us, chose our leaders for us, etc...

[AgentLadyBug]

4. rofl /eom

[newyawker99]

16. Hi AgentLadyBug!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[lovedems]

5. I have heard the same argument used regarding how Iraqi's will

feel about us for generations to come. It is the same hatred that will last for generations.

[Lars39]

6. This is what I find perplexing, though:

after living here 30 years, I've never heard anyone gripe about the civil war. I've only heard northerners say that the southerners are griping about it. I've lived in both rural and city. Never heard it from southerners. :shrug:

[democratreformed]

7. Thanks for your post. I was about to say that this post is a sterotypical

bunch of crap.
Edit: I was meaning the original post, of course - NOT YOURS!

[dr.strangelove]

8. One was a Civil War and one is an occupation by a foreign government.

These are very different dynamics. A Civil War is started by a group seeking to overturn or abdicate from the existing government. Losing a civil war is a known risk of waging the movement. The people of Iraq have had no part in the US decision to liberate them. The occupation of Iraq to an Iraqi citizen appears closer to the Nazi occupation of France (in that it was done for the occupier's vision of the greater good).

Sorry, I just don't see enough of a connection between a Civil War and the removal of a dictator by an occupying force.

In any event, I agree that you have overstated the "southern discord" over the Civil War. In many ways, the political ambitions of the south have been carried out. The South has remained an agricultural center and have retained their independent culture. I would classify the south as deeply patriotic and loving of the American freedoms and ideals. While I am sure there are some in the south who would still like to see a separate "Dixie Nation" I think far more are proud of the current America.

[democratreformed]

10. For me, make that proud of the "used to be" America

I am deeply ashamed of our country's actions over the past couple of years. I am deeply ashamed that so many have stood by and let our freedoms be taken away. I am deeply ashamed of many things.

I will be so happy to some day get back to being proud of our country.

[silverlib]

9. I've heard it...

many times. If we (the South) had won the Civil War, we wouldn't still be fighting for State's rights. "The principal issue of the Civil War wasn't slavery, it was State's rights!" "And the black people were taken care of - fed, clothed, and housed...but they worked for it instead of getting from welfare."

I realize that this isn't the general consensus, but I have heard it and it's disgusting.

[bhunt70]

17. you can hear that kind of sentiment everywhere, regardless of geography

[DieboldMustDie]

11. There's a marine from Arkansas...

living in my apartment complex in suburban Philadelphia who has on his pickup truck a bumper sticker, with the U.S. and Confederate Battle flags on it, that reads Yankees 1, Rebels 0, Halftime. Seems to me he hasn't gotten over it yet.

It seems to me that the display of the Confederate Battle Flag is fundamentally anti-American.

[bhunt70]

15. agreed

[denverbill]

12. Consistancy isn't a hallmark of conservatives.

They still can't decide if they want to liberate the Iraqi people from a horrible dictator or kill them all because of 9-11. These are the same people that think homosexuality is proscribed by the Bible, but who think nothing of the Biblical proscription against working on Sunday or eating pork. They call fundamentalist Muslims savages when they stone women to death for adultery, not realizing that that is the exact penalty called for in the Bible they read.

I think being stupid is a prerequisite for being a conservative. My brain couldn't possibly ignore all the contrary things you have to believe in simultaneously to be a conservative.

[NewJeffCT]

20. don't forget

Don't forget, the Bible was also used as justification for slavery - heck, the Bible says a lot more on slavery than it does on gay marriage...

[Syrinx]

13. As a Southerner,

I must say that I'm not aware of any "continued Southern obsession with their Civil War defeat." If this is the "coolest thing" you've read in a while, perhaps you need to read a little bit more.

[bhunt70]

18. southerners get a bad rap around here...and the ones that don't fit the

stereotype get some kind of "you must be enlightened" or "you are one of the few" bullshit rap as if people who couldn't care less that their state lost are some kind of minority.

[democratreformed]

19. Isn't it funny how people buy only the propoganda that suits what they

want to believe? I am sick of this crap as well.

[rumguy]

14. that is right fucking on!

I'd love to hear that idea in the mainstream media...