It must be so HUMILIATING for Bush. Not MAN enough to testify alone.

[Stephanie]

Oh, excuse me, I forgot.

"I don't testify." - GWB

Georgie is SUCH a WEENIE that he can't "share his views" without his boss Dick Cheney along to hold his hand. It must just EAT at him to be such a LOSER in front of the WHOLE WORLD.

Dear George - THIS is history. You will go down in history (YES, even BEFORE we are all dead) as the COWARD who couldn't face the 9/11 panel alone. You sent CONDI in by herself, but YOU need a handholder. I ALMOST feel sorry for you.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39787-2004Apr24.html
Joint Appearance Stirs Speculation
Some Say Bush, Cheney Want One Story

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 25, 2004; Page A05

Chairman Thomas H. Kean, asked at a news conference a few weeks ago about the White House's requirement that President Bush and Vice President Cheney appear together before his commission on the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, quipped: "Well, we recognize that Mr. Bush may help Mr. Cheney with some of the answers."

Kean's remark sparked laughter among the assembled reporters because it turned upside down the assumption of the question, and of much of official Washington: that the White House requested the joint appearance, scheduled for Thursday, so Cheney could coach Bush on his answers. While Bush has declined to explain the rationale for the joint meeting, Democrats charge that Cheney would be a "ventriloquist," and even a number of independent observers say it appears that the two men are trying to keep their stories straight. <more>

What would be the best questions to ask to really trip them up?

[havocmom]

1. do police detectives question suspects in pairs?

no... didn't think so.

well, then aint bush* and Cheney just so special....

[Stephanie]

14. "If the President has nothing to hide, why is he hiding?"

"This may be the trashiest moment in American presidential history, this whole sleazy story. It's pretty ugly," Bennett said. "And not to say anything about crookedness, if there's lying under oath, if there's perjury, indeed, if there's lying to the American people, which, I think, a lot of people believe is what's going on."

Bennett, whose brother Robert is Clinton's lawyer, said of the president's denial: "I do not believe the president. I mean, I live in the real world. If the president has nothing to hide, why is he hiding?" - Wm. Bennett, 2/1/1998

http://www.chron.com/cgi-bin/auth/story.mpl/content/chronicle/page1/98/02/02/clinton.html

[havocmom]

25. I don't think for a second that the pResident in this case is

hiding anything. Cheney has to make sure the puppet doesn't ad-lib any answers. They should frisk Cheney before letting him in to make sure he isn't carrying anything which might harm the commander in chief like a syringe full of..........

[drfemoe]

44. They do allow translators

when someone doesn't speak the native language. In this case, that would apply in spades.

[comsymp]

2. You can only be humiliated if you possess a sense of shame

so I don't think there's any need to worry about ol' Georgie.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

5. I was thinking the same thing (nt)

[Stephanie]

31. I think he has plenty of shame

I think his whole psychology is based in shame. He's the no-good son of Poppy the Spook. He has never measured up and he never will. I think shame is his middle name. If it's not, I intend to make it so.

[NewJeffCT]

3. for one so religious as Bush

Why will he not testify before God and under oath?

[Catfight]

46. Bush lives by a different set of morals than anyone else....

Lie
Kill
Cheat
Murder
Steal

He is a wart on society.

[truthspeaker]

47. he's religious like Torquemada and Jim Jones were religious

"Religious" is not a synonym for "ethical" or "moral".

[wtmusic]

4. "We recognize that Mr. Bush may help Mr. Cheney

with some of the answers." I love it!!

Thursday is Sock Puppet Day! Get 'em ready!

[havocmom]

7. Sock puppet day! Cool. I have a supply of worn out socks

and a baggie full of those sew-on eyes!

[wtmusic]

8. How to make the sock look like *...

Thought maybe I'd blow up a Ted Rall Bushie on the computer, print it out, and just paste it on the sock.

Any suggestions?

[havocmom]

23. ever see one of those sock monkies?

made with brown and beige socks and wearing a little knit hat? That may be a good proto-type. :evilgrin:

[wtmusic]

29. Absolutely!!

Good thinking. My kids used to have one of those things--time to go digging

[Octafish]

33. I got your sock puppet right here, Mr. pretzeldunce

Sneer & Smirk

[Lars39]

37. That will make a wonderful button to wear. Thanks! eom

[Stephanie]

10. Where are you going to take your sock puppets?

What do you plan to do with them?

[wtmusic]

12. I'm going to wear it all day

Guaranteed to provoke conversation! :-)

[SoCalDem]

6. Why not send pampers & pacifiers to the White House??

The poor widdle baby is "askeerd" to go without uncledick..That would be funny as hell if we had time..

[Stephanie]

9. What would Poppy have done?

Poor Georgie, too skeered to go mano a mano with Richard Ben-Veniste?

[Valerie5555]

64. How about RUBBER CHICKENS

to say hey "President" Georgie is CHICKEN "Buck, buck, buck, bugawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"



Oops sorry, couldn't resist :evilgrin:

[wtmusic]

11. I bet they're practicing right now

Gawd I would love to be a fly on the wall...

Dick: "OK, let's try this again...Mr. President, when were you first aware that Al Qaeda posed a threat to America?"

George: "When the twin towers were brutally attacked on Sept. 11, 2001, Americans responded forcefully and...

Dick: (interrupting) "No, no, NO!!!!!

(tee hee) :silly:

[Stephanie]

15. You know they are practicing.

It would be interesting to take a look at their schedules and appearances this week. I bet there is a lot of down time for both.

What would be the best questions to ask to really trip them up?

[MoonRiver]

13. I wonder if they will hold hands under the table.

:puke:

[Sparkly]

20. Or pass notes.

n/t

[robbedvoter]

16. Humiliating? The God appointed preznit is above that. Although Mumps

taught him to ACT humble....

[Ganja Ninja]

17. Humiliation is something he should be getting used to by now.

The only problem is he's oblivious to his own shortcomings. He's never in his life been forced to recognize his own mistakes. To him they aren't mistakes they are bad luck or someone else's fault. If he had the ability to feel humiliation he would have resigned already.

[Stephanie]

62. I think he feels humiliation all too well

I think he is exquisitely aware of his inadequacies, which is why we see all the deadly overcompensation. But THIS - not ALLOWED to answer questions alone! Not trusted to be able to handle it! It must be excruciating for him.

[CatWoman]

18. Woodward on MTP yesterday

says he thinks that in the end, * will testify alone.

[opihimoimoi]

22. Perhaps in the end he will go alone.... not wanting to appear Pink Pantys

to observers.

What a quandry for the Prez.... go alone and risk a major fuck up, like MAJOR F/U; or, go togther and be humiliated. What is more acceptable??? Oh the pressures of this job, "Why can't I just go home and watch TV?"

[samsingh]

19. man, boy, don't know. all i know is that he is a traitor

and should be impeached for causing the death of our soldiers.

[Solly Mack]

21. Chimpy and the Brain

They'll testify together so the story remains the same. Pure and simple.

This shouldn't be allowed but, then, I don't expect much, if anything, to come from this commission.

All history books will tell is that the commission took place and that Bush and Cheney did appear before it.

Unless Bush/Cheney takes a hard fall from power...history will be far kinder than Bush Inc deserves. Sad fact is, America's history is sugar-coated and that any interpretation other than that presented in sanitized history books will be considered "speculation" and..dare I say.."revisionism"

Yeah, the truth will be out there..hell, it always has been....but that won't change how history is written unless America makes Bush Inc pay, and pay dearly, for what they have done.

[Stephanie]

26. I thought Rove was "the Brain"

Cheney doesn't strike me as all that bright, either. All his mad schemes have been miserable failures. He flunked out of Yale, when even Bush managed to finish. I think Cheney is highly overrated in the brains department. Now if you want to talk paranoid, secretive schemers, then he takes first place.

[Solly Mack]

27. I figured Rove would be up Cheney's butt

during the testimony...........

[Catherine Vincent]

24. Does Cheney have to chew his food too?

Strong leadership my (_|_)!

[rucky]

28. They've got some sick cultish family thing going on.

Condi calling Whistleass her husband & now this.

I wonder if * calls Cheney "Daddy" when they're in top secret meetings. Don't tell Uncle Donald.

[Stephanie]

30. "Who's your Daddy?"

"You are, Unka Dick. Can I go out to play now?"

[DemLikr]

32. Yet another headline Kerry should be POUNDING Shrub on, and isn't...

...why, oh why, is the Kerry campaign, and the Dems in general, soooooooo fucking ineffective and spineless in the coordination of their message?

[Octafish]

34. Smirk, an Organ-Grinder's Monkey

Except a monkey's smarter.
Then again, that's what the BFEE tether is for.



From the article:

Bruce Fein, who served in the Justice Department during the Reagan administration and on the Republican staff of the congressional Iran-Contra investigation, said such an arrangement has both constitutional and investigative flaws. "A joint appearance sabotages the idea of a unitary executive -- the `buck stops here' attitude of Harry Truman -- by enabling Bush to shift blame or accountability to Cheney when politically expedient."

In investigations such as Iran-Contra, Fein said, "customary legal rules require sequestration of witnesses in depositions and at trial to avoid tailoring the truth to avoid inconsistencies."

Great thread, as always, Stephanie!

Thanks for my best political laugh in what seems like a month!

BUSH IS A CROOK!

[Stephanie]

43. Where does the buck stop, George?

"Uh, Unka Dick, yah got a buck for the nice fella?"

This has to be the lowest point in the history of American leadership. They have given up even PRETENDING that bush is president.

Octafish, you are right of course, but is not only Bush a Crook - Bush is a COWARDLY LYING WEENIE.

Come out and TESTIFY, George!! Surely you have nothing to hide. To avoid even the APPEARANCE of cowardly evasion we recommend that you TESTIFY ALONE and IN PUBLIC.

[Octafish]

45. And under OATH, bush.

As you've documented here for three years now, Stephanie: The unelected moron testifying under oath would be the ADULT thing to do. But, bush is not much of anything other than "basically, a media creation*" the smirking sociopath described himself to be, way back when.

Keep spreading the word, everyDUer. The American people -- the vast majority of the American people -- are good people and can't tolerate liars, thieves and crooks -- nor murderers.

* A description attributed to Bush himself in 1989 seems apt. The Houston Chronicle reported Bush telling a friend: "You know, I could run for governor, but I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad. I worked in the oil business ..."

SOURCE: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-02.htm



"Thanks, Unka Dick! This was my
bestest birthday preznit ever."

[yellowcanine]

35. "What are you afraid of, Mr. President?" - Dems need ad campaign.

Dems need an ad campaign contrasting the behavior of Clinton and Gore with the 911 commission with that of Bush and Chaney. This is an issue that will resonate with all Americans. There is no way even die-hard Shrub supporters can explain this. We need to pound on it!

[Catfight]

50. I totally agree...this embarrasses repugs....

We need to hammer this all day long. Kerry needs to call Bush out on this, everyone needs to demand answers to this abhorrent behavior. I'm "deeply troubled" by Bush's secrecy.

[Stephanie]

51. Yes - It's "deeply troubling" that the President of the United States

Is unable or unwilling to answer some simple questions without the aid of his regent, er,

[Qutzupalotl]

36. I hope they try to swear them in anyway.

That would be an awkward moment, wouldn't it?
:evilgrin:

[Ms. Clio]

38. One of the best thread titles ever!

And so very true.

We should focus on his childishness, his powerlessness--I think he has real issues with masculinity, as demonstrated by the stuffed flight suit.

[rocktivity]

39. Exactly HOW are they going to testify?

By taking the stand together? Going up one after the other? Taking turns? Will both be in the courtroom at all times? And if so, will Cheney signal Bush with his hands, simply shake his head, or...



:headbang:
rocknation

[goclark]

65. Fun Nee!!

Will Georgie Be In Cheney's Suitcase?
What happens if the strings get all twisted? Will Georgie twist in the wind? I hope so!!

Will Georgie sit on Dickie's lap?

[redqueen]

40. How pathetic

This poor excuse for a man is an embarassment we'll never live down. Thanks, repukes! :eyes:

[opihimoimoi]

41. The Whole world is looking who will hold whos hand.

And I hope they televise this. If they have nothing to hide they would consent to this.

[Catfight]

49. No televising or oaths will be taken...

This is behind closed doors
No oaths
No press
No copies or notes can be taken
And it's timed

[opihimoimoi]

54. Wus, wimp, panty, panty, girly mon.

Condi did?

[bobthedrummer]

42. Like Dr. Evil and Mini-Me

it isn't even funny-George W. Bush aka The War President:nuke:

[Catfight]

48. Great idea...Dr. Evil and mini me!

That's exactly what those two are, I can't believe that the media is letting up on this one. This is Kerry's ticket to continue to embarrass Bush and shake up his credibility, his lack of leadership skills, his stance on God, why won't he swear under oath, and shine a spotlight on his cowardice by hiding behind Condi, a women (I think)and holding hands with Cheney.

Come on Kerry...This is pure GOLD...forget about the AWOL thing...we have plenty of time for that, but this is going on right now! Embarrass Bush, press him for answers on why he refuses to explain his stubborn condition to go against the wishes of the 9/11 committee, and ONLY testify with Cheney? Ask those questions we all wish the press would do..."What are you hiding? Are you collaborating stories?"

[Stephanie]

52. Bush requires DAYS of rehearsal to prepare his LIES

As a resident of Manhattan this makes me SICK.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47646-2004Apr27.html

Bush, Cheney Prepare for 9/11 Questioning
By Mike Allen and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, April 28, 2004; Page A08

President Bush has met with White House aides and has been consulting with Vice President Cheney in preparation for Bush and Cheney's appearance before the Sept. 11 commission tomorrow morning, administration officials said yesterday.
Computer Associates

White House press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush's aides have decided not to allow a recording or make a transcription of the appearance, in part because of the classified information that will be discussed. The 10-member commission will be allowed to have one staff member present to take notes.

The decision, following a practice President Ronald Reagan used in 1987 when appearing before a commission probing the Iran-contra matter, removes the possibility that the transcript would become a political issue and precludes any subpoena.

White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales and another lawyer from the counsel's office, who will take notes, will appear with Bush and Cheney, officials said. Commission interviews with former president Bill Clinton and vice president Al Gore were taped, but not all of the more than 1,000 other interviewees agreed to recordings, officials said.

The great care being taken by the White House -- it has required that the two men appear jointly, in private, and not be under oath -- reflects the political and governmental significance of tomorrow's meeting. The White House originally sought to limit the time of questioning and number of questioners. Bush has so far weathered the inquiry well, according to public opinion polls.

[redqueen]

56. I bet his handlers are very nervous!

Oh, to be a fly on the wall for *this* event!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

53. Junior likes having Big Dick's hand up his butt.

[Stephanie]

55. It's tomorrow. Will they wear matching outfits?

Will Bush bring along his Gameboy to keep him busy during the boring parts? Cheney should remember to bring along a juicebox and a baggie of snacks for his boy. They might be in there a LONG time!

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

59. They have specified they will only answer questions for an hour,

but judging by what Woodward said about Bush in meetings, Cheney still better bring along a juicebox and a baggie of goldfish crackers.

From "The Condensed Woodward" at Salon:

"At a Pentagon briefing, staffers lay out peppermint candy for each attendee.  Bush scarfs down his peppermint, and then begins to eye Bill Cohen's treat, which the former secretary gladly relinquishes.  General Hugh Shelton, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, "noticed Bush eyeing his mint, so he passed it over.""

[Stephanie]

60. I think they're going longer than an hour

That was the original deal, when Bush was going in alone. First they said one hour, then they said Bush "won't walk out" at exactly the one-hour limit.

Now, under the buddy system, I think they said two hours.

[Stephanie]

57. Wow, he just gave the spin to the question in this press op

Asked why he would "testify" with Cheney, he said he "looked forward" to the opportunity to "meet" with the discussion to "help" them make their report to help future presidents deal with terrorism. No attempt to answer the question. Does not have an answer. There is NO legitimate reason to bring Cheney with him except that he's a freaking COWARD.

[Stephanie]

58. Boondocks nails it:

[TeeYiYi]

72. OMG. That is the BEST Boondocks ever. ...n/t

TYY

[seabeyond]

61. repugs say what a man, i say, itsy bitsy teeney weeney he is

bah ha ha. toally man less. help me cheney help me, htey are going to pick on me.

mOOOOOOmmmy, i want my MMMMooooooMMMMMMyyyyy

[Valerie5555]

63. And at least BILL CLINTON had more CAJONES (sp)than he did in that regard

that is "balls" in Spanish by the way.



Maybe sending boxes of Kentucky Fried Chicken to the White House in the mail to show everyone how Bush is such a chicken or buck, buck, buck, bugawk!!!!!!!!!!!!! is NOT a good idea.

[hughee99]

71. Not really.

Clinton didn't actually testify alone either. He had Sandy Berger and Bruce Lindsey with him. Not to say that * isn't extra-crispy.

[Oilwellian]

66. The hearing will be at the White House...

And Georgie will be waiting.


Great thread. :D :thumbsup:

[Piperay]

67. EVEN Ronnie Raygun

testified all by himself in Iran-Contra, he did horrible, couldn't remember a thing but he testified ALL BY HIMSELF! :thumbsup:

[Stephanie]

69. but, but, but

I thought it was UNPRECEDENTED for a president to testify. I thought presidents don't "testify." I thought this administration had given more information than had ever been done before.

[dudeness]

68. Bush is SO stupid..

there is NO way the WH would let him talk alone to a group of 5 year olds let alone an inquiry..

[goclark]

70. Except on 9/11

They were probably eight year old who were honored-ha to have him visit their classroom on 9/11. Funny how his handlers let him talk to the little children for a loooog time and nevef let him lead the country that horrible day.

[deacon]

73. if has nothing to hide why did he bring 3 lawyers? n/t

[deacon]

75. more questions about this

why did hamilton leave? what prior commitment could possibly be more important than this historic 911 hearing?

It is said he had to go to hear a speech the canadian pm. if it was so important, why isn't the pm's speech all over the news? what was it about?

why did kerrey leave?

why did bush stiff the 911 families by not making a transcript available to them?

[FizzFuzz]

74. Bush's Personality Disorder

I think he's pathological--Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He fits the character traits perfectly.
quote:
1. THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR lies for no reason. Skilful and convincing, he will make up new lies when questioned. His memory is self serving. He is abusive, evasive and will deny past statements. He will bluff and threaten. Defense Strategy: Find a way to verify what he says. Don't tip your hand. Don't reveal things he will use against you. Don't believe a word he says. Head for the door when things don't add up. Don't ask questions as this just invites more lies.

2. THE CONTRACT BREAKER will agree to anything then turn around and do the opposite. Legal, custody agreements and normal social/personal protocol mean nothing to him. This con artist will accuse you of being the contract breaker. Enjoys orchestrating police/legal action and playing the role of the 'poor me' victim. Defense Strategy: Expect him to disregard the agreement. Have an effective Plan B in place. Protect yourself financially and emotionally.

*****

5. THE BLAME-GAME NARCISSIST never accepts responsibility. He blames ohers and he leaves them to clean up the mess he makes. A master at projection. Defense Strategy: Learn about projection. Don't take the bait when he blames you. He made the mess, let him clean it up.

****

7. THE CONTROLLER/MANIPULATOR pits people against each other. Keeps his allies and targets separated. He is verbally skilful at twisting our words and actions. He is charismatic and usually gets his way. Often undermines our support network and discourages us from seeing our family and friends. Money is often his objective. Other people's money is even better. He is ruthless, devious and cruel. This control-freak bully encourages dependence on him. Often appears pitiful, confused and in need of help. We rush in to help him with our finances, assets, and talents. We may be used as his proxy interacting with others on his behalf as he sets us up to take the fall or enjoys the performance he is directing. Our "Knight in Shining Armor" is now our nightmare. Defense Strategy: Know the 'nature of the beast'. Facing his failure and consequences will be his best lesson. Be suspicious of his motives, and avoid involvement. Don't bail him out

******
13. THE BRAINWASHER is very charismatic. He is able to manipulate others to obtain status, control, compliance, money, attention. Often found in religion and politics. He masterfully targets the naive, vulnerable, uneducated or mentally weak. Defense Strategy. Learn about brainwashing techniques. Listen to your gut instinct. Avoid them.

****
18. THE SAINT proclaims his high moral standing. Claims others as immoral. He wants justice for society. "Hang 'em high" he says about the murderer on the 6:00 news. This hypocrite lies, cheats, schemes, corrupts, abuses, deceives, controls, manipulates and torments while portraying himself of high morals. Defense Strategy: Learn the red flags of behaviour. Be suspicious of people claiming such high morals

****
19. THE CALLING-CARD NARCISSIST forewarns his targets. Early in the relationship he may 'slip up' revealing his 'true self' saying "You need to protect yourself around me" or perhaps "Watch out, you never know what I'm up to." We laugh along with him and misinterpret his words. Years later, coping with the devastation he's left behind, his victims recall the chilling warning. Defense Strategy: Know these red flags and be suspicious of the intentions of others.
_____________
Remember Chimpy's remarks about a dictatorship might be nice if he were the dictator? Weren't there other veiled remarks hinting at his true personality? Cant remember....

here's the link to the above quotes, before my little editorial remark:

http://groups.msn.com/PSYCHOPATH/20traitsofmalignantnarcissism1.msnw

Anyway, there's a TON of Narcissism info on the web..another interesting characteristic I read is that they tend to inspire devotion or INTENSE hatred in others!!

[FizzFuzz]

76. yes I admit it

I am kicking my own post....but its soooo darn amazing! Perfect Diagnosis!!!!!!!
Really, read it and you'll see! He's a goddamned deranged soulless Narcissist!

ok ok, I'm shameless :puffpiece: puffpiecing myself, ar ar ar ;)
well, at least its mostly quotes, so I'm not really being a flaming egomaniac

[Stephanie]

77. Okay, now I'm only kicking it because

It's my fantasy that George Bush Jr. is reading this. My goal in life is to push him over the edge.

Hi Georgie Porgie! :hi: