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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 06:58 PM
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seeking info re: Chalabi
specifically, I'm seeking a list of false claims on Iraq that either he or his defectors spread to the Pentagon and the media.

Any help, DUers? Thanks in advance.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:04 PM
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1. well. . .
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 07:07 PM by stellanoir
he bankrupted the Bank of Jordan by embezzeling milions and has a standing warrant out for his arrest there. He cannot place either of his cloven hoofs in that country as a result. Someone said earlier that he was convicted in absentia. Not sure.

He told wild tales to Cheney regarding Iraq's illusory WMD's and has been annointed with a position of power on the IGC and rewarded with $364,000 per month since last April.

Ummmm. . .Pres. Clinton made $200,000 a YEAR!

When confronted with the absense of WMD's he said, "At least we are heroes in error."

The Iraqi's loathe him and consider him an embarrassment and a disgrace.

So we put him in charge of them. We sure know how to pick 'um. n/t
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:11 PM
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3. and now he seems to be a driving force behind the Oil-for-Food investig...
ations. Interesting, that.
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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:20 PM
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5. all true, but I guess I should clarify
I'm aware of the Petra bank situation, and in general that he boosted the concept of Iraq's WMDs/striking capability. (Also aware of the Iraqis' loathing for him.) What I'm seeking is specific claims that he made during ther run-up top Iraq, particularly claims that ended up in the press and are attributed to him specifically. For instance, did he have anything to do with the Niger uranium claims, the aluminum tube BS, etc?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:52 PM
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6. not sure. . .but I doubt it.
"For instance, did he have anything to do with the Niger uranium claims, the aluminum tube BS, etc?"

Just because he was far too busy incessantly chanting WMD's, WMD's, WMD's into the ears of the neocons for 12 years. Why bother with all those bothersome details. . .
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:54 PM
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7. Didn't I hit this one in my post below?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 08:08 PM
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10. I stand corrected. . .
yeah you did and you did so most accurately

thanks
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:08 PM
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2. for the REAL scoop, try Judith Miller. She'd NEVER lie.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:16 PM
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4. From Josh Marshall's Talking Points Memo
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 07:51 PM by bigtree
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_11_16.php

Remember Khidhir Hamza? He was a rather famous figure in Washington a year ago. He was “Saddam’s Bombmaker” according to a book he co-wrote a few years back.

Hamza was the originator -- or at least the prime proponent -- of the theory that Saddam was enriching uranium through a highly unorthodox but devilishly concealable method --- with very small uranium enrichment facilities scattered and hidden throughout the country.

Here’s a graf from an article by Eli Lake last year in The New Republic …

Shortly after Wolfowitz took his post in February 2001, for example, Chalabi and Brooke brought 1994 defector Khidir Hamza, one of Saddam's most senior nuclear scientists, to meet the new deputy defense secretary. In the meeting, Hamza described how Saddam was trying to refine uranium for his nuclear program using a centrifuge technique in small labs scattered throughout the country. Initially, there had been skepticism within the intelligence community--and specifically the CIA--that Saddam could be refining uranium in this way. But Hamza was insistent, claiming that Baghdad was purchasing from abroad a specific kind of aluminum tube needed for the process. And ultimately, Hamza's intelligence seems to have been borne out. Just last week, The New York Times published an article reporting that "$(i$)n the last 14 months, Iraq has sought to buy thousands of specially designed aluminum tubes, which American officials believe were intended as components of centrifuges to enrich uranium."

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/truth/view/

AHMAD CHALABI, Iraqi National Congress: Saddam Hussein was a threat to the West, and he was the most dangerous threat that-- that could have been envisaged in this time, after-- especially after September 11th.

NARRATOR: According to top Pentagon adviser Richard Perle, Chalabi was without question the single most important source of intelligence the U.S. had on Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

RICHARD PERLE, Defense Policy Board: He's a very capable guy. He's quite brilliant -- Ph.D. in mathematics, with a background at the University of Chicago and MIT, committed to secular democracy -- and is the kind of modern liberal leader that we would hope to see not only in Iraq but throughout the Arab world.

MARTIN SMITH: People say that there are two men who are responsible for the fall of Saddam Hussein. One is George Bush and the other is Ahmad Chalabi. You agree?

AHMAD CHALABI: If somebody else said it, I'm not going to disagree with them. This is-- this is-

MARTIN SMITH: Well, you nagged the U.S. government for 12, 13 years to accomplish this task.

AHMAD CHALABI: Well, I did. I worked very hard because I came to the conclusion very early on that if the U.S. is not heavily involved in helping the Iraqi people get rid of Saddam, Saddam is going to stay, and his son is going to come after.

NARRATOR: When we caught up with Chalabi, he was no longer preoccupied with making the case for war. A steady stream of visitors was coming to his headquarters. Chalabi was busy navigating post-war politics.

MARTIN SMITH: Many people that supported the war no longer do.

AHMAD CHALABI: Yes.

MARTIN SMITH: They feel that they were suckered.

AHMAD CHALABI: Yes, probably.

MARTIN SMITH: They say so.

AHMAD CHALABI: OK. I mean, I don't-- you know, I'm not a--

MARTIN SMITH: Well, I mean, the-- you know, half the people now feel that the war wasn't justified on the grounds that it was argued for.

AHMAD CHALABI: OK.

MARTIN SMITH: Do you feel any discomfort with that?

AHMAD CHALABI: No. We are in Baghdad now.


Me Book
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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:55 PM
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8. thanks, bigtree
that first one is exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 07:58 PM
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9. Cool
Edited on Sun Apr-25-04 08:02 PM by bigtree
I'd feel like a dope if I couldn't answer that one.

I made the charge in my book that Chalabi's misinformation was used to justify the invasion.
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oustemnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 08:50 PM
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11. thanks again
I'll have to pick up your book. Congratulations, it's a great accomplishment to get a book published. (Hell, I'm a magazine writer/editor, and the thought of just writing a book-length project makes me want to take a nap.) Also liked the Amazon link; if you've inspired a Freeper to hit the Caps Lock key and let fly with the misspelled stupidity, you know you're on the right track.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-25-04 09:17 PM
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12. Thank you for your kind words
Thank you for your committment to this issue.
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