The Perfidious DNC/DLC/Kerry

[TimMooring]

Is JFK tiptoeing us thru the tulips? It sure looks that way to me. Its specifically the lack of specificity in his campaign statements that sets off my smoke alarm. I will protect Americans from the "special interests". His Iraq plan is just as congruent with the aims of the neocons as bushes is. Role playing is certainly nothing new for nearly every member of congress. If something's bound to fail, then I'll dare be for it - or vice-versa. A near total disconnect with principle and reality is by now a trademark of both parties. Debates are stage plays presented to make the American people feel that they are somehow participants in the political process. Meanwhile in the "intelligence" committees do you think the words "barrel" and "barrels" don't top the charts? The "American People" and the "Iraqi People" are very likely discussed in the same generalized context of "how do we get these idiots to believe this BS?". Well, since we're already there we may as well grab the oil.. we'd be fools otherwise. To pretend as though this has anything to do with "helping" the poor Iraqi people who so misunderstand our true intent - is poppycock. Can you picture 87B dollars for the Haitian people? They could starve enmasse before bush would toss them a used pretzel.

Kerry voted for the war. A sure indicator that he doesn't have the judgment to be president. His current position on Iraq puts the lock on it. Kerry is a wooden duck to get bush re-elected. He's going down and that's the plan. A wooden duck is the kind of target the cheneybush feels comfortable going up against.

[QC]

1. Same ole shit, different day.

Sometimes it seems that there are more threads predicting our doom and tearing down our candidates here than there are at Freak Republic.

[Tempest]

5. Same poster, same shit, different day

This guy has posted the same anti-Kerry crap for several days in a row now.

I'm surprised he hasn't been tombstoned yet.

Oops. Looks like I'm in trouble with the moderators again.

[efhmc]

10. You know I guess I do not understand that fine line between causing

trouble and trying to get at the truth. However, repeatedly issuing the same negative message about our candidiate seems to be directly opposed to the rules here. So what is going on?

[sangh0]

11. Here's a hint

Someone who repeats the same ole tired spiel day after day is definitely not trying to get at the truth.

[efhmc]

15. Then what is their motivation? Maybe the poster can respond.

[Tempest]

17. He never does respond

This guy starts the same old tired bash Kerry thread every day since the beginning of the month, and then just disappears.

[sangh0]

18. The $50mil worth of ads Bush* ran also don't respond

They hjust repeat themselves, over and over, day after day.

[efhmc]

20. Good one. I think they are convinced that the public is so stupid that

it just doesn't matter.

[efhmc]

2. Please use your time and talents to achieve a goal instead of taking

down those of us who live in the real world and need to get rid of bush in order to do anything POSITIVE!!

[ShaneGR]

3. Snore, give us all a break will ya?

Do you want to get rid of Bush or not? Yes or no?

Second, I think Kerry has been SMART. He's kept Bush's bad news in the news, not getting in the way of that trainwreck.

He's raised more money than any candidate in one quarter (Even better than Bush) at almost 60 million in 3 months. He's spent very little of it, while Bush has wasted about the same amount of money and gained minimal ground. Besides, most voters don't start paying attention until labor day. The day Kerry walks onto the stage in Boston, watch the spending bonanza begin.

[DenverDem]

4. The professional wrestling paradigm.

In the ring, to the sheeple (marks), it looks like a battle between a good guy (baby face) and an evil doer (heel). In reality, behind closed doors (in the dressing room), both combatants are showering together, and the outcome of the match has been scripted by a member or group of the Power Elite (the booker and the booking committee).

Kerry is unquestionably the baby face but we have a heel loving segment of contrarians in the audience, so I am wondering if the booking committee is going to put the heel over in this match or if they will bow to appease the majority of marks by allowing the baby face to win.

[meti57b]

6. only bush or Kerry will be elected. If you are against Kerry, then ...

you are backing bush.

[TimMooring]

16. Since when has the DNC/DLC won anything?

Certainly not since 2k and in reality not since 1992. Believing something because you want to is the social disease of the religious right. The DNC/DLC will attempt to steam-roller the message of the left at the convention - just as they did Governor Dean.

Our candidate for this election should not have come from congress. Congress is without doubt the weak sister in the three branches of government. Watch how zealously the cheneybush guard their executive perogatives. Observe how quickly congress has ceded theirs. And in the face of some of the most eloquent pleading I've ever heard from senators like Byrd and Kennedy. At the very least Kerry should face up to the fact that he made a terrible error of judgment in the IWR vote. No such thing ... again just like bush.

If I really thought Kerry a winner I'd support him. But he looks like a loser to me. The standard bearer of the party is not official until the convention. Lets not be like Mitch McConnell: "The time to know who you're turning over to is June 30, when you're handing over". "Eyes wide shut" is never a good policy. The consequences will be severe.

[Tempest]

21. You need to brush up on your history

"Certainly not since 2k and in reality not since 1992"

Democrats have won seats in Congress since 1994.

I guess you don't remember how Democrats took back Congress after the 1998 mid-season elections.


"If I really thought Kerry a winner I'd support him. But he looks like a loser to me."

Right there you admit you're a Bush supporter.

Just what are you doing here?
That's right, you're a disrupter.

[efhmc]

23. Kerry will win and I am here to help it happen. What are you working

to achieve?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

7. Wow another Kerry hate mail post on Du....how rare!

Is JFK tiptoeing us thru the tulips? It sure looks that way to me. Its specifically the lack of specificity in his campaign statements that sets off my smoke alarm. I will protect Americans from the "special interests".

Here's one specific cahrge made by Kerry demonstrating as much:
We released this information today," Kerry campaign spokesman, Chad Clanton said. "Now it's the Bush campaign's turn to release the list of oil company lobbyists in Cheney's secret energy task force that rewrote our energy policy."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32509-2004Apr21.html


His Iraq plan is just as congruent with the aims of the neocons as bushes is.

Really? So turning it over to UN control is congruous with rebuilding Iraq with a bunch of no- bid contracts by Halliburton, BKR and other Bush supporters?

A near total disconnect with principle and reality is by now a trademark of both parties. Debates are stage plays presented to make the American people feel that they are somehow participants in the political process.

Compared to what? Those who ARE principled such as Nader who wish to usher in a new progressive era without recognizing the REALITY that 4 more years of Bush will harm the very people they are claiming to protect?

I must SERIOUSLY question the principles of anyone who would UNDERMINE Kerry who is the best shot at getting Bush out of the Whitehouse.

Meanwhile in the "intelligence" committees do you think the words "barrel" and "barrels" don't top the charts? The "American People" and the "Iraqi People" are very likely discussed in the same generalized context of "how do we get these idiots to believe this BS?". Well, since we're already there we may as well grab the oil.. we'd be fools otherwise. To pretend as though this has anything to do with "helping" the poor Iraqi people who so misunderstand our true intent - is poppycock. Can you picture 87B dollars for the Haitian people? They could starve enmasse before bush would toss them a used pretzel.

I guess you haven't read Kerry's alternative fuel source plan to make us less dependent on foreign oil then...time to go do your homework....what was Bush's plan to make us less dependent again? Oh yeah...drilling in ANWR and supplying oil for SUV's for about a month...riiiight.

BTW...uh...Kerry voted against the 87 b...again...time to do your homework so you can hate Kerry for all the right reasons.


Kerry voted for the war. A sure indicator that he doesn't have the judgment to be president. His current position on Iraq puts the lock on it. Kerry is a wooden duck to get bush re-elected. He's going down and that's the plan. A wooden duck is the kind of target the cheneybush feels comfortable going up against.

Kerry voted for a resolution.

As far as wooden ducks getting Bush re-elected...how many I HATE KERRY threads and posts have you done over the past month?

Just asking.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

9. Correction...

that would be "18 days", not quite a month. ;)

[blm]

13. About 400 hate Kerry posts in 18 days.

Nuff said.

[TimMooring]

24. But he voted for it - before he voted against it.

hey, I'm not talking about me here. I'm talking about an electorate that's nearly evenly split and an election that may be even closer than the last one.

Their perceptions count a heck of a lot more than my efforts to take a peek w/o the rose tinted shades.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

8. I'm not a big Kerry fan but...

puh-lease, you're going to have to do better than THAT, you busy little beaver! :eyes:

[sangh0]

12. "lack of specificity"??? During a campaign?

I'm shocked, SHOCKED, I say

[efhmc]

14. We are perfidious and the bush administration, which has taken the

art of lying to a level I will never see again in my lifetime, unless, he actually gets elected this time, is by your unspoken but implied statement truthful.

[1gobluedem]

19. Yes, Kerry voted for the war

So did a lot of others who have since rescinded that support. Don't forget they all voted for a war based on false information from "Our Fearless Leader." He lied to them!

People can and should be allowed to change their minds. If I make a decision, based on the information I have, and then learn the information was false, doctored, and spun intentionally in order to get me to make that decision I will retract my decision and admit it.

I don't think anyone should have voted for the war. But I'm not going to vilify some who did based on lies and withdrew his support after learning the truth.

[librechik]

22. Who cares? ABB!

or go away.